Amatoya Moytoy (abt. 1649 - 1710)

The “disproven existence” is misleading. No one has disproven anything.

Tellico-3 and Moytoy-1 appear to represent the same person because: This is a mythical person with a placeholder profile.

My name is Buddy Williams. On Ancestry.com my search took me to Amatoya Moytoy and Su gi of Tellico and their daughter Elizabeth A M (Moytoy) Williams and her husband Timothy M. Williams of Wales, my 7th and 6th great grandparents. So that's A scam and I'm paying monthly payments to be conned? I'm not native American because my bloodline had been crossbred with whites through the decades, but I was kind of proud there were indigenous people in my very distance ancestry that ate not real.

The person who added all the images-- back in 2015-- is still on Wikitree, but no longer on the Trusted list of this profile.

Hello all,

I will be adding the Native Americans Project as the Profile Manager for this profile. This will protect it from further attempts at adding information and or parents, etc.

Mags

none of your sources provide any original documents to support this man and his wife. Can you provide documentable proof that this man existed. I have found a smattering of contemporary writing about his son Moytoy of Tellico, but I have not be able to find any documents or writing on this man or his wife. thanks

Looks like someone erroneously re-attached disproven parents. I'm detaching them ... again.

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Weroance Wilenawa "Great Eagle" Moytoy Born 1720 in Cherokee, Alabama, United Statesmap Son of Ama-edohi Moytoy III and Ani-Ga'Tge'Wi Moytoy Brother of Raven Moytoy, Oconostota Skiagusta of Chota Moytoy, Wa-Wli Moytoy, Clogoittah Moytoy, Okoonaka Attakullakulla Moytoy, Ooloosta Rainmaker Moytoy, Kitegista Moytoy, Ah Nee Wa Kee Moytoy, Tathtowe Tistoe II Moytoy, Killaque Moytoy, Tame Doe Moytoy, Skalilosken Moytoy, Oukaii Oukah Moytoy, Kollannah Moytoy, Pigeon Cornstalk Moytoy and Amo Scossite Moytoy Husband of Ailsey of the Paint Clan Moytoy — married [date unknown] [location unknown] Husband of Wurteh Woman of Ani'-Wadi Moytoy — married [date unknown] [location unknown] Father of Red Bird (Moytoy) Brock I, Gi Yo Sti Ko Yo He Moytoy, Corn Tassel Moytoy, Nancy Na-Ye-Hi Elizabeth Broom, Chuqaulatague Cherokee, Pumpkin Boy Moytoy, Sequechee Moytoy, Nancy (Moytoy) Loggins, Ocuma (Moytoy) Melton and Wah-hatch (-Cherokee Indian-) Moytoy

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Alias: GREAT EAGLE and GREY /EAGLE/ Old Kitagunsta,/Kitagustwho Killed by whites while under a flag of truce. Wild Potato Clan Cheif Willenawah Great Grey Eagle Moytoy was born in 1709. He passed away in 1777.[1][2] WILENAWA (treaty signer), also spelled WILLEENEEWA and WILLENAWAH and known as GREAT EAGLE [3][4] Great Eagle [Willenawah/Tifftoya], married Woman of Ani'-Wadi.[5] "Communications with Fort Loudoun were cut. Willenawah, (Awali-na-wa, Big Eagle), nephew of Old Hop, was entrusted with siege of the fort which he pressed with ever-increasing intensity. Oconostota, the Raven, and Judd's Friend led large parties of warriors to the Carolina frontier." [6] Cherokee And The Moytoy - A Short History Lesson First Runningwater Village, Tennessee, United States Thomas Pasmere Carpenter at 20 years old came to Jamestown, Virginia from England in 1627. Thomas was the son of Robert Carpenter (1578 1651) and Susan Pasmere Jeffery (1579 1651). He had a ten acre lease in Virginia, but it was later given to someone else because of his age, so he went to live with the Shawnee and made his home in a cave. Thomas was called "Cornplanter" by the Shawnee, derived from their sign language that matched as near as possible to the work of a carpenter. He married a Shawnee woman named "Pride" and bore a son around 1635 named Trader Carpenter, and a daughter Pasmere Carpenter, about 1637. Together with partners John Greenwood and Thomas Watts they began a thriving fur business. Trader was taught to witch for water with a willow stick by the Shawnee. He was later known by the Cherokee as the "water conjurer" or Ama Matai (Ama is Cherokee for water). Ama Matai eventually became pronounced as Amatoya. It was also shortened to Moytoy, so he is known as Moytoy I. The clan grew quickly. Trader (Amatoya / Moytoy I) married a Shawnee named Locha in 1658. Pasmere married the grandfather of Cornstalk Hokolesqua (Shawnee) in 1660. The same year the clan was driven south by the Iroquois. They moved along the Tennessee river, starting the villages of Running Water (where Thomas died in 1675), Nickajack, Lookout Mountain, Crowtown and Chota. Chota was created as a merging place of refuge for people of all tribes, history or color. It became similar to a capital for the Cherokee nation. These villages grew to about 2000 people by 1670 when the Carpenter clan moved to Great Tellico. Here Trader (Amatoya / Motoy I) married Quatsy of the Wolf Clan in 1680. They bore a daughter Nancy in 1683. Though Amatoya (Trader) was chief of the above mentioned villages, it was his son Moytoy II (sometimes called "Trader-Tom") who was the one who actually became a Cherokee principle chief. In 1730, Trader-Tom (Moytoy II) took over as Chief, receiving what was described as the Crown of Tannassy. Tanasi was where the previous Chief resided and the traditional headdress was passed on to him. Several tribes, including the Cherokee, assisted colonists in driving out their mutual enemy, the Tuscarora, in a war that lasted from 1711-1713. However, with the Tuscarora out of the way, the tribes begin to address their grievances with the colonists -- primarily the sale of Native Americans into slavery despite agreements to discontinue this practice. The result was a war, in 1715, in which the combined tribes in the region threatened to wipe-out the South Carolina Colony. Ultimately, the colonists were able to mass their forces and after achieving several victories the tribes began to sue for peace. Peace was made with the Cherokee who were given a large quantity of guns and ammunition in exchange for their alliance with the colony. In 1721, a treaty was signed with South Carolina. It also established a fixed boundary between the Cherokee and the colony. Although allied with the English, the Cherokee began to favor the French who had established Fort Toulouse near present Montgomery AL. The French showed greater respect for the Indians than the British who considered them an inferior race. To prevent a Cherokee alliance with the French, Sir Alexander Cuming visited the prominent Cherokee towns and convinced the Cherokee to select an "emperor", Chief Moytoy of Tellico, to represent the tribe in all dealings with the British. In addition, he escorted seven Cherokees to England who met with the King and swore allegiance to the crown. A treaty was signed obligating the Cherokee to trade only with the British, return all runaway slaves, and to expel all non-English whites from their territory. In return, the Cherokee received a substantial amount of guns, ammunition, and red paint. Although the seven Cherokee who made the trip were presented the to the king as "chiefs", only one could be considered a prominent Cherokee -- the others being young men who went for the adventure. The chiefs of the tribe declined due to their responsibilities for hunting and defense. However, one of the young men was Attacullakulla, known as "Little Carpenter", who later became a powerful and influential According to Chief Attakullakulla's ceremonial speech to the Cherokee Nation in 1750, we traveled here from "the rising sun" before the time of the stone age man. Amatoya's grandson (through daughter Nancy and an Algonquin named White Owl Raven who had been adopted by Trader-Tom ) was Attacullaculla, known as the "little carpenter" because of the Carpenter family name. Attacullaculla and several brothers traveled to London in 1730 with Sir Alexander Cumming to meet King George II. The fur trading Carpenter family owned many ships. Thomas made several trips to Barbados over the years where they did banking, and even to Scotland and Ireland. On occasion he took Trader, and Trader Tom with him. This line is descended from Vicomte Guillaume de Melun le Carpentier, and that links them to the British royal family. The Carpenter family of Devonshire & Plymouth England were small sailing ship owners, many of which were leased out to the East India Trading Company, an affiliation dating to the formation of that company December 31, 1600. Documented ownership of fifteen different ships owned by the Carpenter family, those of which were involved with moving furs between the Gulf Ports & Glasgow, or Dublin, and trade goods for North America. These ships usually made stops both directions at Barbados where the family had banking connections set up. Thomas Pasmere, Trader, and Trader Tom Carpenter made regular trips to Barbados, and on occasion to Glasgow, and Dublin aboard these ships. These ships were small and fast, often able to make the crossing from Scotland and Ireland in less than thirty days. They were shallow draft ships, capable of handling shallow water ports with ease. The first documented trip made by Thomas Pasmere Carpenter occurred April 1640, sailing from Maryland to Barbados aboard the Hopewell, and returning on the Crispian in September 1640. He made another trip in March 1659 departing Charleston South Carolina aboard the Barbados Merchant, returning on the Concord in August 1659. It's not been validated these four ships were owned by the Carpenter family. Ownership of the following ships documented as being owned by the Carpenter family of Devonshire & Plymouth England. [7] Sources Doublehead Last Chickamauga Cherokee Chief By Rickey Butch Walker Historical Marker mentions Willenawah Add 1 here. Source: Doublehead Last Chickamouga Cherokee Chief page 19 ? http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=kenyon&id=I4854 ? http://grundycountyhistory.org/06_GenCh/Individual/Moytoy%20Descendants%201.pdf ? http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~brockfamily/KinshipNotes-KBTankersley.html ? http://digital.library.okstate.edu/Chronicles/v016/v016p003.html ? http://members.iinet.net.au/~royalty/states/america/cherokee.html ? http://digital.library.okstate.edu/Chronicles/v016/v016p003.html ? http://www.mundia.com/us/Person/24047216/1990506075

Always hoping for more verifiable data on him and all his suggested relatives.

Thanks!

Please take a look at this question in the G2G

Thank you for a wonderfully collaborative effort on such a difficult but historically important profile!!

I will monitor this profile for any future incorrect additions, edits or merges.

Thanks for all of your help and patience!! Please contact me if you need any assistance in the future.

Paula

Thank you for fixing, and yes, Pasmore and Carpenter don't belong in this line.