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Son of John Browne I and Alice Illeswroth and grandson of Robert Browne and Anne Gardiner. Need sources;genealogies are not sources.
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Seems we need a John Browne I profile, as per the will of John Browne of Witham, 1562 ( https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015011674713&view=1up&seq=85 ), and he should replace the current parents. Unless someone has evidence for John Browne I's parents, then they should be empty, right? I suppose since he had a brother Thomas (again, as per will), there could be an Unknown Browne to connect John I to his brother.
edited by Daphne Maddox
edited by Daphne Maddox
to enter Unknown Browne as their father.
But for now I feel I must state the following to hopefully prevent any further confusion.
John Browne is not the grandson of Robert Browne, and there is no missing generation. We have two men living with the same surname in two different counties around the same time and that's it. How does this prove they are related? It doesn't, it doesn't prove anything. The only thing these two men have in common is their surname, and this surname is super common, it's basically Smith 2.0. Most ancestry trees on the internet are full of lazy connections, most of the time it's people trying to connect themselves to a noble family or some sort of elevated class. This is extremely cringe and annoying for people who are ready to accept that past a certain point their ancestors were basically anonymous in their home countries. I blame this practice on those stupid Heraldic Visitations that were conducted in the 1500 and 1600's. These documents are held up as indisputable facts by many, even though those things were full of errors. In fact that is the primary reason they were stopped. People took advantage of the system and recorded things falsely or just lied to the people taking them. The Suffolk Manorial Families is an example of one of these, but it doesn't list the father of John Browne, probably because John Browne's father wasn't worth recording because he wasn't anything special. John Browne's son Henry was a Yeoman clothier and it is probably the same thing his father did. Yeomen clothiers were wealthier farmers who ran clothing businesses on the side and as a result of their impacts in their villages they could have lived in manor homes. But again John Browne probably made his wealth and as a result got recorded because of it. But there is no proof to tie him into the family of Robert Browne. I am glad to see his parents listed as unknown and I don't think there needs to be any references to Robert Browne or Anne Gardiner, just disregard it because most family trees that support it are more than likely wrong.
Here is a link that shows some of the errors with Heraldic Visitations. https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Herald%27s_Visitations
edited by Giles Anon
There seems to be no proof for any of this. Yet in trees all over the internet there is a random tie to a Tudor. I’m not disputing the marriage of Gardner and Tudor, but we should all make sure that descents are accurate and that we aren’t putting people in trees because of a common last name.
https://archive.org/details/cu31924029787458/page/n92/mode/1up/search/Brown?q=visitations+pedigrees%2C+lavenham%2C+suffolk%2C+england
I am clear on the concern about establishing parents. I am clear that source evidence isn't uncovered about Anne Gardiner's spouse and solid stuff about birth of her proposed child John.
I would be concerned that Anne Gardiners birth date, might not justify her proposed father William and a proposal that she is grndmother of John II born approx 1503-04.
I dont yet see the evidence to discard Anne Gardiner Browne as the mother of this individual John.