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Joan (Butler) O'Carroll (1360 - 1392)

Joan O'Carroll formerly Butler
Born in County Kilkenny, Irelandmap
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Wife of — married after 31 May 1374 (to 1378) [location unknown]
Wife of — married 1386 [location unknown]
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Died at age 31 in County Offaly, Irelandmap [uncertain]
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Biography

Discrepancy: The Dictionary of Irish Biography profile for her husband Teige O'Carroll gives her death year as 1383.

Contract for her (apparently) first marriage, from the Calendar of Ormond Deeds, Vol.2, item 189, pp.128-129:[1]

  • Notarial deed with regard to a marriage between John son of Nicholas, lord of Kerry, and a daughter of the Earl of Ormond.
  • "In the year of the Incarnation MCCCLXXIV, etc., and on the last day of May in the church of the Friars Carmelite of Knocktopher in the presence of Sir Stephen, vicar of the said town, Friar John Proute, Prior of the same Order, John Haket, Walter Cantewell, as also in the presence of myself, public notary, and others, the noble lord, John son of Nicholas, knight, appearing in person of his own free will has taken corporal oath on the body of God and the Holy Gospels, that he will faithfully observe all and sundry conventions and conditions and matrimonial contract made between him and Johanna, daughter of the said Earl, as in a certain indenture between them made more fully may appear. And said Lord John has appointed Master John fitz John, cleric, as speaking for him, to read an agreement (cedula) drawn up in writing, of which the tenour is as follows :
  • "In the name of God. Whereas lately certain conventions and conditions were drawn up between James le Botiller, Earl of Ormond and myself, John fitz Nicholas, lord of Kerry, concerning a marriage contract between me and Johanna, daughter of the said Earl, for the fulfilling of all which conventions I have taken corporal oath on the body of God and the Holy Gospels, as in a certain indenture made between us more fully appears. And for greater security, etc., in case at any time, which God forbid, I should go against the above conventions, etc., I wish and grant that the Archbishops of Dublin, Cashel and Tuam and their suffragans all and singular, by reason of the submission which I make here, now or in future may pronounce the greater excommunication against me, and also may lay under interdict all my lands, etc., in any part of Ireland and keep them in strict sequestration until that to the party, claiming himself injured, full and sufficient satisfaction be made.
  • In witness whereof I have affixed my seal. Given on the last day of May, anno Domini MCCCLXXIV.
  • Witnesses: Lord Robert de la Freigne, knight, Master Peter Haket and John Fyll, cleric, of Cashel and Ossory dioceses.
  • Sign and declaration of the notary, Richard de Warthill of York diocese. May 31, 1374. Seal of the Lord of Kerry.

Sources

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She was not the mother of John O'Carroll. She was his grandmother.
posted by Susan O'Carroll
There are inconsistent dates in this profile. It says that she died before she married.
posted by Paul Gierszewski
She was the mother of Maelroona-Na-Ffaroise O'Carroll, not his wife. She was the wife only of Tiege O'Carroll and they married in 1374. She died 7th November 1392. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=156954325
posted by Susan O'Carroll
Butler-1684 and Butler-1309 appear to represent the same person because: Clear match, same parents (see public comment on Butler-1684), same son, same husband.
posted by Susan O'Carroll
Father was James Butler (Butler-81), 2nd Earl of Ormond lived 1331 - 1382. Married Elizabeth de Darcy lived 1332 - 1390.

http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=O%27Carroll&GSiman=1&GScid=859699&GRid=156954325&

posted by Susan O'Carroll
Born 31 December 1360 and died 7 Nov 1392 buried at Clonmagnoise cemetery. Offaly, Ireland according to Find a Grave. http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=O%27Carroll&GSiman=1&GScid=859699&GRid=156954325&
posted by Susan O'Carroll
Joan Butler died of the plague in 1383.

Source: The Dublin Philosophical Journal and Scientific Review Vol 2, Feb 1826 Pg 510 onwards. Available to read as an e-book at https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=hGo7AQAAIAAJ&rdid=book-hGo7AQAAIAAJ&rdot=1

posted by Susan O'Carroll

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