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Loup (Gascoña) de Gascogne (bef. 765 - aft. 819)

Loup (Loup III) "Centulez, Centule of Gascony, Duke of Gascony" de Gascogne formerly Gascoña aka Centulo
Born before in Gascony, Francemap
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Died after after age 54 in Spainmap
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Biography

European Aristocracy
Loup III Gascoña was a member of the aristocracy in Europe.

From Project MedLands: The early history of Gascony is unclear. ...There is little information in primary sources about the development of Gascony during the 7th and early 8th centuries. The first primary source records are from around 748. ... it is important to note: descendants of Duke Lupus based on a document dated 30 Jan 845, which purports to be a confirmation by Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks... The wording of these documents is unusually detailed and atypical of other contemporary Carolingian charters, strongly suggesting that they are spurious. ... Jaurgain, in his work on the nobility in Gascony, states that the collection of these documents was first published in 1694. ... A small part of the genealogical information in the Alarcon documentation is corroborated by other primary sources, including the Annales Metenses and the Continuator of Fredegar. Other parts of the information are clearly incorrect...There remains a large part of information in the documents which is uncorroborated elsewhere and whose accuracy cannot be judged definitively. The reconstruction set out in the first part should therefore be treated with considerable caution. The second part of this chapter sets out the limited reconstruction of the family of the early dukes of Gascony which is possible based only on information in other surviving primary sources. This information is sparse, and it can quickly be appreciated that there are numerous possible reconstructions other than the one based on the Alarcon documents. It is even possible that the various rulers in Gascony at the time were unrelated warlords who seized power from each other, or who controlled different parts of the territory at the same time.

Reconstruction based on questionable Alarcon docuements shows: LOUP, son of [HATTO & his wife Vandrade ---] (-murdered [775]). The charter of Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks dated 30 Jan 845 (probably spurious, as explained in the Introduction) names "Lupo Duci" as son of "Hattonis Ducis"[14]. His parentage has not been corroborated by other primary sources consulted. m ---. The name of Loup's wife is not known. Loup & his wife had [three] children see text for the others, we are interested in: b) [CENTULE (-[812]). The charter of Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks dated 30 Jan 845 (probably spurious, as explained in the Introduction) names "Scimino et Centullo" as sons of "Adalrico"[22]. His parentage has not been corroborated by other primary sources consulted. m ---. The name of Centule's wife is not known. Centule & his wife had [two] children:] i) [LOUP (-after 819). The charter of Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks dated 30 Jan 845 (probably spurious, as explained in the Introduction) names "Scimino et Centullo" as sons of "Adalrico", stating that Gascony was divided between "dictum Sciminum et Lupum Centulli demortui Centulli filium"[23]. His parentage has not been corroborated by other primary sources consulted. m ---. The name of Loup's wife is not known. Loup & his wife had [two] children: (a) [DONAT LOUP (-[before 865]). The charter of Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks dated 30 Jan 845 (probably spurious, as explained in the Introduction) names "Donatum Lupum et Centulupum" as sons of "Lupi Centulli Ducis", stating that the former was installed as Comte de Bigorre[24]. Ancestor of the Comtes de Bigorre (see below, Part B).] (b) [CENTULE LOUP (-[844]). The charter of Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks dated 30 Jan 845 (probably spurious, as explained in the Introduction) names "Donatum Lupum et Centulupum" as sons of "Lupi Centulli Ducis", stating that the latter was installed as Vicomte de Béarn[25]. His parentage has not been corroborated by other primary sources consulted.]

Based on other primary sources what is known: CENTULE . His name is known only from the patronymic attributed to his son. m ---. The name of Centule's wife is not known. Centule & his wife had two children: a) LOUP Centule (-after 819). [Duke of Gascony.] Einhard's Annales name "Berengario Tolosæ et Warino Arverni comite" as fighting "Lupus Centulli Wasco" in 819 and "in quo et fratrem Garsandum…interitum fuit"[39]. The Vita Hludowici Imperatoris records the rebellion of "Wasco, Lupus Centulli cognomento" and fighting "Werinum Arvernorum comitem et Berengarium Tholosanum"[40]. The Gesta Francorum names "Lupus Wasco" when recording that he was "de perfidia convictus" and sent into exile in 819[41]. b) GERSAND (-killed in battle 819). Einhard's Annales name "Berengario Tolosæ et Warino Arverni comite" as fighting "Lupus Centulli Wasco" in 819 and "in quo et fratrem Garsandum…interitum fuit"[42].

6. SANCHO (-[before 812]). His name is known from the patronymic attributed to his son. According to Jaurgain, Sancho was the son of Loup Duke of Gascony whom he succeeded but he cites no primary source on which he bases his assertion[43]. The poem of Ermold le Noir names "Loup-Sancion" and records that "Sancion prince des Gascons" (apparently referring to the same person) was brought up at the court of Charles I King of the Franks and swore fidelity to him[44]. This would seem to be the only reference in primary sources to Sancho. m ---. The name of Sancho's wife is not known. Sancho & his wife had three children:

Loup (d. after 819).[1]

From Wikipedia: Lupo III Centule (Basque: Otsoa Wasco, French: Loup Centulle, Gascon: Lop Centullo, Latin: Lupus Centullus, Spanish: Lope or Lobo Centulo, Catalan: Llop Centoll) (died ca. 820) was the Duke of Gascony briefly from 818 until his deposition by Pepin I of Aquitaine in 819. He was either a son of García I or of Centule, a brother of Sancho I.

Titles

  • 818 - 819: Duke of Gascony.[2]


Disputed Parents

  • Father: (disputed) García I or Centule (d. 812; bros: Sancho I).[2];

[1]

Marriage

m. UNKNOWN. Issue: 2

  • Donat Loup (d. ante 865)
  • Centule Loup (d. 844)

Research Notes

Date of death will be after 819 based on texts above Birth has to be before 800 and could be much earlier. Because his son Donat is listed with a birth date of 0785 we have given Loup a birth date of 0765 or earlier. The mother listed is possibly incorrect and her date of birth does not work with that of Donat. More research needs to be done on this or we should disconnect her from the profile.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GASCONY.htm#_ftnref21
  2. 2.0 2.1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupo_III_Centule_of_Gascony




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Centule de Gascoña-1 and Gascoña-9 appear to represent the same person because: Sorry I made this duplicate by mistake.
Centull-2 and Gascoña-9 appear to represent the same person because: These should be ready to merge making use of 2 sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupo_III_Centule_of_Gascony and the more intricate and complete http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GASCONY.htm#_Toc443899880

Essentially there is a lot of speculative data that came from early sources. Modern scholars have worked to create what they believe is a more probable and supported by documentation genealogy of the Gascony aristocracy.

posted by Laura (Pennie) Bozzay
Anepalafred (Gascoña) of Gascony match rejected as they had different fathers.
posted by Laura (Pennie) Bozzay
De GASCOYNE-1 and Gascoña-9 appear to represent the same person because: Same person. Same parents.
posted by Steve Selbrede
NOte: mother was born after he was. Lopo was born in 835, about 15 years after he died.
posted by Steve Selbrede

Unmerged matches › Anepalafred (Gascoña) of Gascony
Rejected matches › Anepalafred (Gascoña) of Gascony

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