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Agnes (Chandler) Davis (abt. 1555)

Agnes Davis formerly Chandler aka Davys
Born about in Englandmap
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Wife of — married 24 Oct 1577 in Frocester, Gloucestershire, Englandmap
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Died [date unknown] in Englandmap
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Agnes (Chandler) Davis was born in England.

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Biography

It is commonly found on the internet that Agnes Chandler, daughter of Thomas Chandler and Joan Page, married John Davis of Acton Turville and was the mother of the New England immigrant James Davis. Just about everything is wrong with this statement.
A John Davis married Agnes Chandler 24 October 1577 in Frocester, Gloucestershire, England.[1] They had one child Alice born at Forcester on 16 March 1577/8 and then there are no further records there for this couple. Frocester is less than 20 miles from Acton Turville which made this a possibility; however, his first grandchild by his oldest James was not born until 1619 making his likely birth date in the 1590's, they had another son born in 1601 and a third who was underage in 1626. A 1577 marriage date of 1577 is too early to be the marriage of John Davis of Acton Turville. So, this Agnes Chandler did not marry John Davis of Acton Turville and was not possibly the mother of the New England immigrants.
The next problem is there is no evidence that Thomas Chandler and Joan Page had a daughter Agnes. This when taken into account that the children of Thomas and Joan were all baptized at Bishops Stortford, Hertfordshire, England, some distance from Frocester, argues strongly that the Agnes Chandler who married John Davis in 1577 belongs to a different unknown family.

Name

Name: Agnes Chandler

Birth

Born: Between 1547-1557
If this profile represents the Agnes Chandler who married John Davis in Frocester, Gloucester, England in 1577, then she was most likely born between 1547 and 1557.

Marriage and Children

Married: John Davis on 14 Oct 1577 in Frocester, Gloucester, England[2]
This John Davis is often said to be John Davis of Acton Turville. This is incorrect. The marriage is too early to be the same John Davis.
Child of John Davis and Agnes Chandler
  1. Alice Davis. Baptized 16 March 1577/8 at Frocester, Gloucester, England.
This is the only known child for this couple and their are no further proven records for this John and Agnes Chandler after the birth of their daughter Alice.

Death

Died: Unknown.
She did not die on 23 JAN 1623 in Acton Turville, Gloucestershire, England. That is the burial of the wife of John Davis of Acton Turville who cannot possibly be this person.

Agnes Chandler married John Davis on 14 October 1577 in Frocester, Gloucestershire, England.[3]

Sources

  1. "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVKJ-2M9 : 10 February 2018), John Davis and Agnes Chandler, 14 Oct 1577; citing Frocester,Gloucester,England.
  2. "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVKJ-2M9 : 10 December 2014), John Davis and Agnes Chandler, 14 Oct 1577; citing Frocester,Gloucester,England, reference ; FHL microfilm 394,485, 425,418.
  3. Marriage: "England Marriages, 1538–1973"
    FamilySearch Record: NVKJ-2M9 (accessed 27 December 2022)
    Agnes Chandler marriage to John Davis on 14 Oct 1577 in Frocester, Gloucestershire, England.
Acknowledgements:
Source list:
  • Davis, Edwin Pountney. Davis, of Acton Turville, Gloucestershire: The Ancestry of James, Thomas and John Davis, who Settled in Newbury, Massachusetts c1638. (São Paulo, Brazil : privately published, 1984).




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Chandler-11311 and Chandler-178 appear to represent the same person because: Found another duplicate for this person. Cheers!
Chandler-2601 and Chandler-178 appear to represent the same person because: The only Agnes Chandler who married a Davis did so in 1577 in Frocester.
posted by Joe Cochoit
Chandler-1812 and Chandler-178 appear to represent the same person because: Agnes Chandler married John Davis on 24 Oct 1577 in Frocester, Gloucester, England. This John Davis is not the same as John Davis of Acton Turville. This merge is the correct one for Agnes Chandler.
posted by Joe Cochoit
Removed image of Duchess of Norfolk, who wasn't Agnes
posted on Chandler-2601 (merged) by Lois (Hacker) Tilton
Joe - I see you have detached the mother De Bishops-1
posted on Chandler-1812 (merged) by Lois (Hacker) Tilton
Yes, if we are merging her into Agnes Unknown then her parents are unknown.
posted on Chandler-1812 (merged) by Joe Cochoit
Actually the best way to do this is to merge her into Agnes Chandler-178 who this profile is supposed to be. John Davis married Agnes Chandler on 24 Oct 1577 in Frocester, Gloucester, England. This John and Agnes Davis of Frocester is completely different than John and Agnes Davis of Acton Turville, which is the cause of the confusion.
posted on Chandler-1812 (merged) by Joe Cochoit
Unknown-498452 and Chandler-1812 appear to represent the same person because: Unknown is the spouse of James Davis-2259 who is the father of the same highly unusual set of children as Chandler-1812
posted on Chandler-1812 (merged) by Lois (Hacker) Tilton
Should this profile be merged with Chandler-2601? It looks like a clear duplicate of Agnes Davis.
posted on Chandler-1812 (merged) by Lois (Hacker) Tilton
edited by Lois (Hacker) Tilton
Please remove the middle name Samon. Middle names were not used in that era /area
posted on Chandler-2601 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
1. Disconnecting her from her parents as there is no evidence they had a daughter Agnes, and they lived in a different part of England.

2. Disconnecting her from her husband John Davis of Acton Turville. The 1577 marriage cannot be to this John Davis. 3. Disconnecting her from all children except Alice who is her only known child. Born at Frocester shortly after her marriage.

posted by Joe Cochoit
I agree with Robin's comment. This Agnes would be 3 years old at marriage. I believe the correct LNAB is Pelling, with the 1597 marriage. I doesn't appear that this Agnes Chandler is sourced, so would suggest detaching her from Chandler family and changing LNAB.
posted by Bill Catambay
The entire ancestry of James Davis is currently garbage. His mother should probably be Agnes Unknown. A John Davis married an Agnes Chandler and a different John Davis married an Agnes Salmon - in both cases the marriage date makes it unlikely to be correct. Definitely no parents should be attached to Agnes even if she is Agnes Chandler. The dates are all inventions.
posted by Joe Cochoit
edited by Joe Cochoit
It looks like most of her siblings were all born in the same place in Hertfordshire. Is there any explanation why Agnes was not born there, too?
posted by J Briller
Marriage record given here says Agnes Chandler married John Davis in 1577:

Agnes Chandler England Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: John Davis Spouse's Name: Agnes Chandler Event Date: 14 Oct 1577 Event Place: Frocester,Gloucester,England

Marriage date used in this profile is actually the location and date of a different marriage:

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name Agnes Pelling Gender Female Marriage Date 09 Feb 1597 Marriage Place Burbage, Wiltshire, England Father Thomas Pelling Mother Mary Spouse John Davis FHL Film Number 1279365

This profile says Agnes born 1574, so she was 3 years old at marriage.

Can we please clean this confusion up?

posted by Robin Anderson
Another merge has been completed on this profile, but would the profile managers review their data. Are there really two woman by this name and each having married a John Davis? places, dates are now not so certain... Thanks
posted by Beryl Meehan
My 12th great grand mother Acording to the connection finder.
posted by Dawn (Brown) Mckenna
My 13th grandmother Acording to the connection finder.
posted on Chandler-1812 (merged) by Dawn (Brown) Mckenna
This ancestor seems very sketchy to me. I have cross referenced with other genealogy sites and most list the ancestors of James Davis as unknown.

The only authority I see here are just other family trees.

posted by Larry Herbstritt
I doubt the validity of this ancestor. Even the sources listed are no longer available.
posted on Chandler-1812 (merged) by Larry Herbstritt
Chandler-1812 and Davys-33 appear to represent the same person because: Names, dates and places match well enough in these profiles. Note that "Will Alice Named, Wiltshire, England" is a very poor bit of text copied into Ancestry.com and never edited out (they're terrible about that). This lady was born and died in Acton Turville, Gloucestershire.
posted on Chandler-1812 (merged) by Bob Nichol
I believe this is a match from Geni.com

Agnes Davys Gender: Female Birth: March 10, 1537 Acton-Turville, Gloucestershire, England Death: July 9, 1589 (52) Acton-Turville, Gloucestershire, England Immediate Family:

Daughter of Lord Thomas Chandler, II and Agnes de Bishops Wife of Sir James Rice Davys, Kt. Mother of Sir Thomas Davis, Kt.; Dorothy Ball; Rice Davis; Rose Allerton; Denise Davis; Margaret Davis; Samuel Davis and Ephraim Davis « less Sister of Joan Chandler; John Thomas Chandler; Thomas Chandler, III; Agnes Bedwell or Bernell and Robert Chandler Half sister of Elizabeth Tylle Huckle; Mary Warde; Alice Sheffield; Alice Tylle; ?? Tylle Warde; ?? Tylle Younge and Robert Tilley « less

posted on Chandler-1812 (merged) by George Kellogg
can this profile be cleaned up prior to merge? It looks like it has been through several merges already without cleanup
posted by Greg Hays
Samon-4 and Chandler-3279 appear to represent the same person because: same name, spouse, dob dodhttps://minerdescent.com/2011/04/06/john-davys/
posted by Darrell Parker
Davis-15929 and Chandler-178 appear to represent the same person because: Same name, spouse.
posted by Bob Nichol
Chandler-3280 and Chandler-2601 appear to represent the same person because: Same person. Death dates match although other information needs documentation and correction.
posted on Chandler-2601 (merged) by A Fabry
so, the dates of death and burial make no sense on this profile
posted by Robin Lee
UNKNOWN-34381 and Chandler-1812 appear to represent the same person because: Same name, spouse, dob, dod, location
posted on Chandler-1812 (merged) by Darrell Parker
Chandler-1812 and Chandler-2591 appear to represent the same person because: There's enough matching info to merge these.
posted on Chandler-1812 (merged) by Bob Nichol

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