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Alice Cole (abt. 1589 - abt. 1654)

Alice Cole
Born about in Englandmap
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Died about at about age 65 in Englandmap
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Profile last modified | Created 10 Apr 2015
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There is no reason to believe this person was the wife of John Saunders whose children migrated to New England.

Contents

Biography

Birth

Date: 1591
Place: Downton, Wiltshire, England

Baptism

Date: 1 August 1591
Place: North Nibley, Gloucester, England
Father: Thomas Cole[1]"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBMS-W27 : 11 February 2018, Alice Cole, 01 Aug 1591); citing , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 855,694.

Parents

Uncertain
Husband: Thomas Cole
Wife: Mary Garrett
Child: Alice Coles
Parent's Marriage: This seems unlikely and after birth of Alice.
Date: 23 NOV 1593
Place: Walgrave, Northamptonshire, England
Mary Garrat & Thomas Collis 28 Nov 1593 Walgrave, Northamptonshire, England[2]

Sources

  1. Ancestry.com. England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
  2. Ancestry.com. Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1532-1812 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
  • England birth, marriage and death
  • Vital statistics of England
  • Ancestry.ca ID 32423871
  • Mass. vital statistics




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I think the only evidence I have is from Hoyt (referenced in John Cole's profile) which refers to a deed by Robert Pike to "my under John Cole, of S., decd." From this, Hoyt concluded that Sara Saunders was John Cole's niece and her mother was John Cole's sister.

For Sarah Saunder's parentage, I relied on https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/early-new-england-families-1641-1700/image?volumeId=54088&pageName=1&rId=0 which says that her parents were John and Alice (Coles) Sanders.

Both Hoyt and the Early New England Families article say that Sara Saunders was incorrectly listed as John Saunder's wife on the Confidence passenger list and that she was his sister. I'm not sure why they concluded that.

I don't think I was able to check the source the author of the Early New England Families article referenced and I recall being troubled by the Cole/Coles thing, as I got the impression that there were distinct Cole and Coles families in that area of Wiltshire at the time.

What evidence do you have that the parents of John Saunder's wife were not John and Alice?

posted by Chase Ashley
Chase, I've put these merges on hold (ppp'd the bunch) for a moment. Was the wife of Saunders Cole or Coles?
posted by Anne B
Alice was the sister of John Cole (Cole-18713), who emigrated with Alice's daughter Sarah and her son John.
posted by Chase Ashley
There is no evidence connecting the 1591 Gloucester bpt record to the Alice Coles who married John Saunders in Wiltshire. I think that is speculative nonsense.

I also see no reason for her to be connected to Thomas Cole of Northampton or any other Thomas Cole.

posted by Chase Ashley
What source ties the daughter of Thomas with the wife of John Saunders?

Also, since her "parents" didn't marry until late in 1593, the birth date shown in the bio doesn't appear accurate. If she married Saunders in 1610, her birth year must have been much closer to 1592 than 1605 which is shown in the data field.

posted by S (Hill) Willson
Coles-50 and Cole-8157 appear to represent the same person because: Some discrepancy in date and place of death, but otherwise all other information matches.
posted by Robin Kabrich

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