There are wide variations in the birthdate for Joseph Collins, between 1660-1685. Abt. 1675-1685 (presumably Isle of Wright), based upon the marriage dates and approximate ages of Joseph's children. and IGI References[2] vs 1660--1685 New Kent County, King and Queen Virginia[1]
From analysis of genealogist BR Conolly:
According to Burke's Landed Gentry, 1939; also History of Caroline Co., Va., by H.R. Collins; Orange Co., Va. Families, by William Everette Brockman; and The Robertson (Robinson) Family, by John Frederick Dorman:...All agree that John Collins, son of William, had issue: John, Joseph, Thomas, George, William, and probably others. This is proven by the various land records.
In 1718, Joseph Collins was living on the border of Essex and King and Queen Counties, VA, as proven by Essex Deedbook 16, pages 51-54. A deed dated 25 Dec 1718 from Wm. Hall to Thomas Johnson, both of King and Queen, for 200 acres in Essex adjoining Joseph Collins. Another deed mentions Joseph Collins of Essex County, planter, on16 May 1737 sold to Nicholas Pampline a tract of 200 acres in Essex and King and Queen Counties. Shortly afterwards, Joseph moved to Spotsylvania County, where he was living by 17 January 1738 when he appears in the records of that county.
We recongize many of these names on the following land records as being descendants or close associates of Joseph Collins
Virginia Colonial Abstracts, by Fleet,Vol. IV, King & Queen Co.,Va.: valuations of land, June 1,17??, pg. 7, Collins, Thomas 150 acrs; Thomas Cook, 140 acrs; John Collins, 365 acrs.; [[Collins-3009-|Joyeux Collins, 140 acrs.; John Collins 100 acrs.; John Jones, 505 acrs; James Jones, 160 acrs.; James Jones estate, 196 acrs .Alterations on land for 17??:
Marriage
Marriage Estimate 1683 Isle Of Wight Virginia (vs 1686-1670 1705 K&Q; Spotsylvania)[1][2]
Multiple marriages unconfirmed (1683-16=1667)
m 1705 King & Queen -- Catherine Robertson (daughter of John Robertson and Ann Holiday) [Robertson vs Robinson controversy - 1744 Land records confirm Robertson"]
Catherine born Abt. 1690 in King & Queen County, Virginia, and died about 1728 in King & Queen County, Virginia. Joseph would be about 40 yrs when Catherine died.
6 Identified Children Children Birth Estimates 1683 -1736
(A61-A64) Joseph Jr (1685) Thomas (1701), John (1710), William(1705) ,[1] (2 daughters - other research (unsourced)
SPOTSYLVANIA VA formed 1720-1 from Essex, King & Queen, King William;
CAROLINE CO. VA Formed 1727- 8 formed 1727-8 from Essex, King & Queen, King : ; (See also Lancaster Co. Formed 1651 from Northumberland York;
In the present (2001), St. George Parish is in the city of Fredericksburg (no county). Founded in 1714, St George Parish served Essex and Spotsylvania counties
1718 - 1828, Essex County., Virginia
1730. Post Tobago Road, Drysdale Parish, King and Queen County, Virginia
They relocated [or boundary change] Spotsyvania County, Virginia. Also had land in Orange County, Virginia.
1741-1744 John Robertson (Father of Catherine) made land distribution to Joseph, Thomas, (Joseph Jr) and William
Probate
Death 3 MAY 1748 King & Queen Co, Virginia [1748 Summons]
No Will located to prove or disprove; Court Summons of 1748 confirms date of death[5]
(George and William (most likely /presumed brothers vs sons) 1696–1748) m Unknown [6]
Discrepancy
No original source records have been located to confirm birth or marriage records. It appears that some erroneous information may have been published, and perhaps republished/reported, making the “actual facts” obscure. There is a great deal of conflicting information surrounding the Collins Family of VA – Many Source-to-Source discrepancies; co-mingling, Lack of records; conflicting family stories; number of Collin’s with the same names, etc.
An Effort has been made to update/split individual information from the Contemporary Profiles with co-mingled data on various "Collins (see individual profiles for more detailed information). Researchers are encouraged to reverify (and add source) information; making adjustments to profiles as applicable to the source.
Date Discrepancies There are wide variations in the birthdate for Joseph Collins, between 1660-1685. Abt. 1667 appears to be a likely time (presumably Isle of Wright), based upon the marriage dates and approximate ages of Joseph's children. and IGI References. (Joseph's 1st child b about 1685-20=1665)
Name/Spelling Variations - Jr., Sr., I; II; III, Capt, Lt. etc., No proven Middle names for anyone. It appears Mother's maiden name was used in several instances
Reportedly, Both Father and Son were Commissioned Officers.
↑ 1745-1747 Orange County, Virginia Deed Book 10; [Antient Press]; Page 329-330. [Indenture: August 28, 1746] between Thomas Cook, St. Thomas Parish, Orange County, Virginia, and Ann Collins, of same ... said Thomas Cook for tender love unto his daughter, Ann Collins, grants 100 acres being in the fork of the Pamunkey River ... beginning at Roger Bell's ...
Witness: Joseph Collins and William Cook.
↑ Probate King and Queen May 3 1748 Ordered that summons be issued for William Collins of Essex and George Collins of King and Queen to cause them to appear at the next court for this county to declare whether or not they will execute the last will and testament of Joseph Collins (decd May 3 1748) Fleet's Abstracts p 39 and 176)
Seventeenth Century Isle of Wight County, Virginia: A History of the County of Isle of Wight, Virginia, During the Seventeenth Century, Including Abstracts of the County Records; John Bennett Boddie; Genealogical Publishing Com, 1973 - Travel - 756 pages
Marriages of Some Virginia Residents 1607-1800 by Dorothy Ford Wulfeck, pub. 1986 Abbreviation: Marriages of Some Virginia Residents 1607-1800 by Dorothy Ford Wulfeck, pub. 1986 Italicized: Y
See also:
The Collins and Travis families and their allies : the interrelationships of twenty-five Southern colonial families and their development; Author: Landin, Mary Collins (Mary Nell Collins), 1941-
[microfiche # 6093585 page 13. ]
William Brockman Bankhead, by Paul F. Goodridge, Page Publishing Inc, 2015 (Joseph was the paternal seventh great-grandfather of Tallulah Bankhead)
Title: Genealogy of Ken Hinds Abbreviation: Genealogy of Ken Hinds Collins Index (23
Acknowledgments
Thank you to Bob Nichol for creating WikiTree profile Collins-4336 through the import of Hamilton.ged on Mar 9, 2013.
WikiTree profile Collins-1800 was created through the import of Gedcom ONE for WikiTree.ged on Aug 7, 2011 by Dolores M. Pringle Pringle.
Yates Publishing. U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 (database on-line). Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004. Original data: This unique collection of records was extracted from a variety of sources including family group sheets and electronic databases. Originally, the information was derived from an array of materials including pedigree charts, family history articles, querie. Description, This database contains marriage record information for approximately 1,400,000 individuals from across all 50 United States and 32 different countries around the world between 1560 and 1900. These records, which include information on over 500 years of marriages, were extracted from family group sheets, electronic databases, biographies, wills, and other sources. (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=worldmarr_ga&h=1029464&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt)
This Profile Represents Joseph Collins (1685-1748) m 1705 Catherine (1690) Robertson (son of John Collins and Elenore Oliver) (aka Capt Joseph "Oliver" Collins
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I removed Susannah Lewis-3484 as wife, which cleared up some of the issues with this profile. Need to look at the children next -- I've found sources for only four children, shown in the bio.
I too would like some help with this tree. There have been some merges within the Collins tree that I rejected, but were merged anyway. I don't know how to correct this. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I know. Several merges with unsourced children's profiles, and a profile that may be a combination of 3 different Joseph Collins have made a bit of a mess. I am looking for some reliable sources for this family - would appreciate any help in sorting them out.
Thank you for maintaining 1 profile per person