Margaret de Neville was the daughter of Ralph de Neville, 2nd Baron Neville of Raby and Alice de Audley.[1][2]
She was contracted to marry William de Roos, (Ros) 3rd Lord Ros of Helmsley apparently while still an infant. Even as a teenager William de Roos spent most of his time overseas. He sailed with the king for the Crecy campaign in 1346, he fought at Neville's Cross in October 1346, he was at the Seige of Calais in 1347, and helped defeat the Spanish off Winchelsey in 1350. He died overseas shortly before 3 December 1352 at the age of 23. They had no children. She held extensive Roos lands for the rest of her life in dower and by the terms of her marriage agreement.
Her second husband was Henry Percy, 1st earl of Northumberland who she married by license dated 12 July 1358. They had 4 sons and 1 daughter.
She died on 13 May 1372 at which time writs were issued specifically to determine what lands she held from William de Roos, formerly her husband. The inquisitions show she held extensive lands both in dower and by a marriage settlement in Lincoln, York, Nottingham, and Derby.
Birth
Born: 12 February 1339.
The precise date of 12 February 1339 is currently on the profile. This is almost certainly incorrect. As a younger daughter, there is no reason that this date would be recorded in any extant records. I am leaving the date while it is investigated. Likely the best we can say is that she was born between 1327 when her parents were married and 1339 when her marriage was agreed on. Her first husband was born in 1329, and it is likely that she was close to the same age or slightly younger
Marriages and Children
Married:1st - William de Roos, (Ros) 3rd Lord Ros of Helmsley (19 May 1329 - ante 03 Dec 1352) by a marriage settlement dated 28 August 1339.[1][2][3] They had no children. He died overseas shortly before 3 December 1352.
Married:2nd - Henry Percy, KG (10 Nov 1341 - 19 Feb 1407/8) by license dated 12 July 1358 at Brancepeth, Durham.[1][2] Issue: 4 sons, 1 dau.[2]
From her IPM she died Thursday before Whitsun 46 Edward III. Whitsun was on Sunday May 16th in 1372. One inquisition stated she died on Tuesday the 11th, one stated she died on Wednesday the 12th, and five inquisitions state she died on Thursday the 13th.
Inquisitions Post Mortem: MARGARET LATE THE WIFE OF HENRY DE PERCY, knight.[4]
Writ after the death of the said Margaret, who held certain lands &c. of the king in chief in dower or otherwise for life of the inheritance of William de Roos of Hamelak, knight, formerly her husband. 20 May, 46 Edward III.
LINCOLN. Inq. taken at Wragby, 26 May, 46 Edward III.
Wragby. The manor, held of the king in chief by knight’s service. Richard de Sixendall, parson of the church of Gedenay, gave it to William de Roos of Hamelak for life, with remainder to William his son and the said Margaret, then his wife, and the heirs of their bodies, and with remainder over to the right heirs of William the father. William the father died, and William the son died without issue by Margaret, who was married after the death of her husband by Henry de Percy. Thomas de Roos, son and heir of William the father, long before the death of Margaret granted the reversion of the manor by a fine levied in the king’s court to Henry de Codington, parson of the church of Botelsford, Robert de Tynton, parson of the church of Uffyngton, Nicholas de Stayngreve, parson of the church of Thornton in Craven, and Laurence Hawberk of Claxton, to whom the said Henry de Percy and Margaret attorned; and the said grantees thereupon granted the same to the said Thomas de Roos and Beatrice his wife and the heirs of their bodies, (to whom Henry and Margaret also attorned), with remainder to the right heirs of Thomas.
Boston. 20l. rent, held of the king in chief by knight’s service. She held it in form aforesaid by grant of the said Richard to her and the said William son of William.
She died on Thursday before Whitsun, 46 Edward III. The said Thomas de Roos, aged 30 years and more, is next heir of William de Roos because William son of William de Roos, his brother, died without issue by the said Margaret.
Similar writ, 20 May, 46 Edward III.
LINCOLN. Inq. (indented) dated as above and taken by the oath of the same jurors.
She held no lands in dower after the death of William de Roos of Hamelak, knight, her husband; but she held the following for life of the inheritance of the said William:—
Wragby. The manor, held of the king in chief by knight’s service.
Boston. 5 cottages in poor condition, held of the earl of Richmond in socage; and 6 cottages, held of Walter Petwardyn, knight, by knight’s service.
She died on Wednesday before Whitsun last. Thomas de Roos of Hamelak, knight, aged 30 years and more, is brother and heir of the said William de Roos.
Similar writ, 20 May, 46 Edward III.
YORK. Inq. taken at Selby, 2 June, 46 Edward III.
Lynton upon Ouse. The manor (extent given), held in dower of the right and inheritance of William de Roos of Hamelak knight, sometime her husband. It is held of the king in chief as parcel of the castle and manor of Helmeslay. The extent includes rents of 1 lb. pepper, price 12d., 6 barbed arrows, price 1d. each, a pair of gloves, price 1d., and an ounce of ginger, price 12d., payable by free tenants.
York. 90l. rent receivable by the hands of the bailiffs of the city, held in form aforesaid.
Rosse in Holdernesse. 9l. rent, held in form aforesaid by way of dower, in lieu of a third part of the manor of Akeryng, co. Nottingham.
Turnumhall. The manor, with a moiety of the manor of Cliff (extent given), held in form aforesaid of the bishop of Durham. The extent includes 2 1/2 carucates of land held of the bishop by knight’s service, 1 1/2 carucates held of the bishop by fealty and service of rendering 8l. 16s. yearly, a pasture called ‘le Kere,’ a fishery, and a rent of a pair of spurs or 4d.
She died on 11 May last. Heir of William de Roos as above.
Similar writ, 20 May, 46 Edward III.
YORK. Inq. dated as above and taken by the oath of the same jurors.
Lynton upon Ouse. The manor (extent given, including rents as above), held by way of dower by gift of William de Roos of Hamelak, knight, sometime her husband. It is held of the king in chief by knight’s service.
York. 90l. rent receivable as above, held by way of dower by gift of the said William, out of a yearly farm of 100l. receivable by William and his heirs for the castle of Werk.
Rosse in Holdernesse. 9l. rent, held in form aforesaid.
Turnumhalle. The manor, with a moiety of the manor of Cliff (extent given, including lands &c. held as above), held in form aforesaid by gift of the said William by way of dower. Long before her death Thomas de Roos, brother and heir of the said William, granted the reversion of the manor of Turnumhall, by a fine levied in the king’s court, to Henry de Codyngton, parson of the church of Botlesford, and others, who settled it on him and Beatrice his wife and the heirs of their bodies (as the manor of Wragby above).
She died on Thursday before Whitsun, 46 Edward III. The said Thomas de Roos, aged 30 years and more, is brother and next heir of William de Roos, because William died without heir of his body.
Similar writ, 20 May, 46 Edward III.
NOTTINGHAM. Inq. taken at Byngham, 3 June, 46 Edward III.
Orston. The manor (extent given), held by gift and feoffment of William Roos, father of William Roos, to the said William and Margaret and the heirs of their bodies. She held it of the king in chief by service of two knights’ fees, for life. The extent includes 2 carucates of land, each containing 4 bovates, each of which contains 16a., and a common fine on the day of St. Thomas the Apostle worth 4l. 18s. yearly.
Warsop. The manor (extent given), held of the king in chief by knight’s service by gift and feoffment of William Roos, father of William Roos of Hamelak. The extent includes 3 carucates of land containing 21 bovates, a close called ‘Brendhaugh,’ and an unenclosed park.
She died on Thursday after Ascension day, 46 Edward III. Thomas Roos, aged 30 years and more, is brother and next heir of William Roos, her husband.
NOTTINGHAM. Inq. dated as above and taken by the oath of the same jurors.
Orston. The manor (extent given, as above), held of the king in chief by service of two knights’ fees.
Warsop. The manor (extent given, as above), held of the king in chief by knight’s service.
Both manors were settled in all respects as the manor of Wragby (first Lincoln inquisition).
Date of death and heir as above (first Lincoln inquisition).
Similar writ, 20 May, 46 Edward III.
DERBY. Inq. (indented) taken at Notyngham, 4 June, 46 Edward III.
Schirbrook. 2 messuages and 2 bovates of land, held of the king, as of the honor of Tikill, by service of 4d. yearly.
Pleslay. A park called ‘Warsopwode,’ held of Sir John de Wylughby by service of 1d. yearly.
Both the above she held by gift and feoffment of William de Roos, father of William de Roos, to her and the said William and the heirs of their bodies.
Date of death and heir as above (first Lincoln inquisition).
DERBY. Inq. taken at Derby, 5 June, 46 Edward III. (The jurors are the same as in the last inquisition).
Schirbrook and Pleslay. Premises as above, held as above and by gift as above.
Date of death and heir as above (first Nottingham inquisition).
Writ of certiorari to the treasurer and chamberlains touching the tenor of a fine levied in 44 Edward III concerning the manors of Orston and Warsop, co. Nottingham, Wragby, co. Lincoln, and Turnamhalle, co. Lincoln. 1 July, 46 Edward III.
Transcript of a fine made at Westminster in the quinzaine of Martinmas, 43 Edward III, and afterwards granted and recorded there in the quinzaine of Hilary, 44 Edward III, whereby Henry de Codyngton and others (as in the above inquisitions) granted the reversion of the said manors after the death of Margaret to Thomas de Roos of Hamelak and Beatrice his wife and the heirs of their bodies, with remainder to the right heirs of Thomas.
Writ of certiorari to the treasurer and chamberlains touching the tenor of a fine levied in 43 Edward III concerning the same manors. 10 July, 46 Edward III.
Transcript of a fine made at Westminster on the morrow of St. John the Baptist, 43 Edward III, and afterwards granted and recorded there in the quinzaine of Hilary, 44 Edward III, whereby Thomas de Roos of Hamelak, knight, granted the reversion of the said manors after the death of Margaret to Henry de Codyngton and others (as in the above inquisitions) and the heirs of the said Henry.
C. Edw. III. File 229. (5.)
E. Enrolments &c. of Inq. No. 161. (1 and 2.) (Nottingham and Derby.)
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Neville-2086 and Neville-349 appear to represent the same person because: This was a rejected match earlier. The confusion seems to be that she was connected as the wife of Henry Fenwick although the date of death precludes that. The date of death for Neville-2086 and Neville-349 do match and Henry Fenwick did marry a woman named Margaret but it appears that it was Margaret Percy, not her mother Margaret Neville.
Given that the LNAB is already Neville, it seem more logical to merge the two Margarets named Neville rather then change the LNAB and date of death on Neville-2086 and merge her with Margaret Percy.
The date is the date of a marriage agreement by their parents. In cases of child marriages like this, they were likely actually married a number of years later (but still when young) when she was closer to coming of age.
The Magna Carta Project will look at this profile in due course, and will be doing research. It has very recently become a profile mamager.
Childhood marriage was quite common among the aristocracy at this time. Some people married in early childhood, even though the Church generally disapproved. Modern assumptions about age of marriage should not be applied to the Middle Ages.
Margaret's birth date is not well sourced at the moment. The date of the settlement for her marriage to William de Roos was 28 August 1339 according to Douglas Richardson (that does not necessarily mean she married then). So she was clearly born before that. Her parents married by a licence dated January 1326/7. So all I can say at the moment is that she was born some time between 1327 and August 1339. Margaret and William de Roos had no children, and William de Roos died in 1352, and this may possibly indicate that she was still in her early teens in 1352 when he died.
A lot of things wrong with this profile. Tried to correct and add sources, but even though I am the profile manager, the software will not allow me to do so. A WikiBug.
Margaret Neville is from the generation before. Alan Fenwick's wife was Margaret Percy (probably) daughter of the Margaret Percy(Neville)
There can be no other reason for all the male Percy's from Alnwick and further afield attending Henry Fenwick's baptism. He also had command of the Percy castle at Cockermouth up to 1459. Sir John Huddleston(Henry's son in law) had it in 1461.
Given that the LNAB is already Neville, it seem more logical to merge the two Margarets named Neville rather then change the LNAB and date of death on Neville-2086 and merge her with Margaret Percy.
edited by Steven Broadley
Margaret is in my line and I would like to be sure. Thanks
Childhood marriage was quite common among the aristocracy at this time. Some people married in early childhood, even though the Church generally disapproved. Modern assumptions about age of marriage should not be applied to the Middle Ages.
Margaret's birth date is not well sourced at the moment. The date of the settlement for her marriage to William de Roos was 28 August 1339 according to Douglas Richardson (that does not necessarily mean she married then). So she was clearly born before that. Her parents married by a licence dated January 1326/7. So all I can say at the moment is that she was born some time between 1327 and August 1339. Margaret and William de Roos had no children, and William de Roos died in 1352, and this may possibly indicate that she was still in her early teens in 1352 when he died.
edited by Michael Cayley
edited by Jon LaFalce
edited by Jorge Gubbins
There can be no other reason for all the male Percy's from Alnwick and further afield attending Henry Fenwick's baptism. He also had command of the Percy castle at Cockermouth up to 1459. Sir John Huddleston(Henry's son in law) had it in 1461.