Philip
Montgomery
formerly Montgomerie
Born in Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of
Margaret Dunbar
— married
1118 in Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland
Descendants 
Father of
Hugh (Montgomerie) Montgomery and Robert Montgomery
Died
at about age 75
in Thornton, Fife, Scotland
Profile last modified
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Biography
Philip (Montgomerie) Montgomery is a member of Clan Montgomery.
Big Y700 YDNA Haplogroup J-FT167382 Earliest Known Ancestor.
No reliable source has been found for Philip's parents.
The following should be treated with caution. He was born about 1101 at Pembroke. His father was banished from the Kingdom while he was still an infant. He eventually returned to Scotland with a group of Normans. There he was called the Welshman or Cymbricus since he was born in Wales. He obtained a fair inheritance and married Lady Margaret Dunbar. She was the daughter of Gospatric II Dunbar, second Earl of Dunbar and March. Based upon the ages of his grandchildren, the marriage must have been before the year 1120. Philip by Lady Margaret left two sons, Robert and Hugh. Robert succeeded him after his death.[1]
Research Notes
Parents
Philip has previously been shown on WikiTree as son of Arnoulf Montgomery and Lafracoth O'Brien. No reliable source has been found for this. The relationship is given in an 1863 Montgomery family history.[1]
Data from Unsourced GEDCOM subject to record confirmation
- Birth: 1102 in Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales. Confirmed [1]
- Death: 1177 in Thornton, Fife, Scotland Confirmation pending. Fuller-5853 17:23, 10 June 2017 (EDT)
- Marriage: 1118 Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland. Confirmed [1]
How many siblings did Philip have?
- As stated above, there is no reliable source for Arnulph de Montgomery having any children, so what follows should not be regarded as accurate.
Sources
- ↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 Thomas Harrison Montgomery. A Genealogical History of the Family of Montgomery, Including the Montgomery Pedigree, H B Ashmead, 1863, pp. 39- 42, Internet Archive (treat with caution) Note: Source has his father-in-law as Cospatric, second Earl of Dunbar and March.
- ↑ Historical and Topgraphical Notes: Castletown Castle (Old Castletown) page 133
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DNA Connections
It may be possible to confirm family relationships with Philip by comparing test results with other carriers of his Y-chromosome or his mother's mitochondrial DNA. Y-chromosome DNA test-takers in his direct paternal line on WikiTree:
It may be possible to confirm family relationships with Philip by comparing test results with other carriers of his Y-chromosome or his mother's mitochondrial DNA. Y-chromosome DNA test-takers in his direct paternal line on WikiTree:
- Peter Archdale
:
Family Tree DNA Y-DNA Test 700 markers, haplogroup J-FT167382, FTDNA kit #625403 - J. S. Montgomery :
Family Tree DNA Y-DNA Test 700 markers, haplogroup J-FT350439, FTDNA kit #237807
- Sven Montgomery :
Family Tree DNA Y-DNA Test 700 markers, haplogroup J-FTB974747, FTDNA kit #182897
- James Montgomery :
Family Tree DNA Y-DNA Test 700 markers, haplogroup J-FT35888, FTDNA kit #MK82751
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Rejected matches › Arnulf (Montgomery) de Montgomery (abt.1066-bef.1122)
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Categories: Clan Montgomery | Y-DNA Haplogroup J-FT167382
edited by Terri (Lewis) Stern
I added the BigY EKA Sticker to this profile as requested. Shout if you need to ask me any questions or if there is an issue. Thanks! Mags
The Wikipedia article on Clan Montgomery gives us 3 sources not listed in this profile "The Montgomeries emigrated from Wales to Scotland in the 12th century with the FitzAlans.[3][4] The family derives its surname from lands in Wales, likely from the Honour of Montgomery which was located near the Shropshire lands of the FitzAlans.[4][5] There is no evidence of any familial connection between Clan Montgomery and the family of the Counts de Montgomerie, Earls of Shrewsbury, of Anglo-Norman origin who derived their own surname from lands in Calvados, Normandy.[3][4] The earliest member of the clan in Scotland was Robert of Montgomery, and the earliest possessions of the clan (in Scotland) was Eaglesham, in Renfrewshire.[4] Members of the clan are recorded in the late 13th century Ragman Rolls, but it is not until the 14th century when the family rose in prominence, through a dynastic marriage with the Eglinton family. Through this marriage the clan acquired the Eglinton estates; the clan also acquired the lands of the Ardrossan family (which was possibly a branch of the Barclay family).[3] The sources for this are: [3] McAndrew, Bruce A. (2006), Scotland's Historic Heraldry (Illustrated ed.), Boydell Press, p. 239, ISBN 9781843832614 [4] Barrow, G.W.S (1973), The Kingdom of the Scots, New York: St Martin's Press, p. 344 [5] Duncan, Archibald Alexander McBeth (1996), Scotland: the making of the kingdom, The Edinburgh history of Scotland, Mercat Press, pp. 139–140, ISBN 0 901824 83 6."
In addition to that, Y DNA evidence indicates that the J-Z35794 Haplogroup carried by descendants of Phillip is a clade under J-Z35788 was founded about 600 CE and includes Williston, Hunt and Canning surnames as well as Montgomery. The DNA evidence clearly supports Philip's father being a man of Scotland origins since 600 CE, as opposed to Arnouf whose father was born in Normandy, France.
Montgomery: https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhist00mont/page/41/mode/1up
Arnoulff's profile, Montgomery-132, is managed by the Medieval project.
On the first page of Chapter X in A history of the county of Renfrew from the earliest times is a reference to the FitzAlans and Robert de Montgomery. " Among those who came north with Walter Fitz Alan was Robert de Montgomery, grandson or nephew --grandson according to Sir William Fraser (footnote)--of Roger de Montgomery, the great Earl of Shrewsbury, the companion and kinsman of William the Conqueror. From Walter he [Robert de Montgomery, head of the Montgomery Clan] received the lands of Eaglesham. He [Robert, head of the Clan] and his son and grandson appear frequently as witnesses in the Register of the monastery of Paisley. The footnote to Wm Fraser as the source of Robert being the grandson of Roger reads: Com. Hist. MSS., p 1. Is William Fraser right or is his conclusion unsupported? Is there a primary source supporting Robert being the son of Philip and Philip being the son of Roger?
edited by Michael Cayley