Douglas Richardson: Royal Ancestry, III:653-654 LUCY 7, names Geoffrey de Lucy's wife, whom he married in 1207, as Juliane le Despenser, "daughter and heiress of Amaury le Despenser of King's Stanley... etc., by his 1st wife Amabel, daughter and coheiress of Walter de Chesney."[1]
Juliana le Despenser, daughter and heiress of Amaury le Despenser by his first wife Amabel de Chesney, married Geoffrey de Lucy in 1207.[1]
Father: Amaury le Despenser "of King's Stanley, Gloucestershire, King's Worthy, Hampshire, Chelmscott (in Soulbury) and Cublington, Buckinghamshire, Dallington, Northamptonshire, etc."[1]
Mother: Amabel, daughter and co-heiress of Walter de Chesney.[1]
Death: After 1230 - Juliana was alive in 1230. Geoffrey died shortly before December 1234.[1]
Research Notes
Estimated Birth: About 1180 based on Geoffrey's profile having 1174 as his birth year. This also works with her mother's birth year estimate of c1150.
Lewis: The following information needs confirmation, as is from Lewis & possibly not from the source Lewis appears to cite:
Juliana was born at Dallington, Northamptonshire, England citing Richardson, but Richardson does not include birth date or place.[1]
She married (1) William Bardolph circa 1190 & (2) Peter de Stokes after 1191 citing Richardson & Cokayne - Richardson does not include marriage dates for her first two marriages[1] & Cokayne citation needs to be checked.[4]
Marriages: Richardson gives the date of her third marriage as 1207 and notes her second husband, Peter de Stokes, was dead by August 1206.[1] Lewis (above) has her first and second marriages as c1190 and after 1191, respectively. A merged profile had the marriage dates (no sources) as 1196 and 1198. Possibly, they should have been marked "before" - Stemmata Robertson et Durdin... has (1) William Bardolph, died 1196; (2) Peter de Stokes, died 1198.[5]
MedLands shows an unnamed daughter of Amaury Despencer married Peter de Stokes.[6]
↑ Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, volume III, page 653 LUCY 6.
↑ Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, volume III, pages 654-5 LUCY 8.
↑ The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, by George Edward Cokayne, Vol. VIII, p. 258.
↑ Herbert Robinson. Stemmata Robertson et Durdin. Being tables comprising the known ancestors of the children of Herbert Robertson and his wife Helen Alexandrina Melian née Durdin ... (London : 1893-95) archive.org
↑ Charles Cawley. Amaury Despencer, entry in "Medieval Lands" database (accessed 26 December 2020).
Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. Salt Lake City: the author, 2013. See also WikiTree's source page for Royal Ancestry.
Cokayne, G.E., Gibbs, V., ed. The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom (The St. Catherine Press, London, 1910-). See also WikiTree's source page for Complete Peerage.
Edward Deacon, The descent of the family of Deacon of Elstowe and London... (gives her ancestors and some descendants).
Acknowledgements
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What is the contemporary evidence documenting this woman was the mother of Geoffrey and Richard, but not Hubert; and the years of her birth/marriage/children/death etc?
Hubert de Lacy of Stanford (which may be Norfolk, or typo for Stamford Lincs.) and of Angre (presumably Essex); heir of his brother Richard. Sadly I didn't preserve the source, but my former self must have found it then-persuasive.
It's possible my aforementioned Hubert is the same person as her brother-in-law Herbert, mentioned on her husband's father's profile.
That would be her husband Geoffrey's half-brother Herbert; or perhaps (just speculating) her husband's nephew by an older half-brother, i.e. in the same generation as her sons.
In Richardson's Royal Ancestry, volume III, page 653 LUCY 6 Richardson's entry for the father of Geoffrey de Lucy who married Julianne shows sons Richard and Herbert by his first wife; Geoffrey and Robert by his second.
Thanks in advance.
Merry Christmas, distant cousins.
who's Hubert?
Hubert de Lacy of Stanford (which may be Norfolk, or typo for Stamford Lincs.) and of Angre (presumably Essex); heir of his brother Richard. Sadly I didn't preserve the source, but my former self must have found it then-persuasive.
Angre = Ongar, AFAIK
http://www.gatehouse-gazetteer.info/English%20sites/1156.html
That would be her husband Geoffrey's half-brother Herbert; or perhaps (just speculating) her husband's nephew by an older half-brother, i.e. in the same generation as her sons.
edited by Isaac Taylor
Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol III, pp 653-4 LUCY #7 Geoffrey de Lucy
See also the information on her mom's page: Chesney-4