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Johannes\John\Elias Dietrich

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Johannes\John\Elias Dietrich aka Dietterich
Born in Dresden, Germanymap
[spouse(s) unknown]
Died in Bloomsburg Co., PAmap
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Biography

This biography is a rough draft. It was auto-generated by a GEDCOM import and needs to be edited.

Burial

Burial:
Place: Old Rosemond Cemetery, Bloomsburg, PA

Immigration

Immigration:
Date: 17 SEP 1752
Place: The ship "Halifax"

Occupation

Occupation: Wheelwright

Note

Note: Changed spelling from DIETRICH to DIETTERICH. According to John T. Humphrey, who is related to the Dietterick's, Johannes was sometimes refered to as Elias and sometimes referred to as John. He arrived in America (listed as Johann Diedtrich) on the ship "Halifax" in Sep 1752 along with his brother, George Hans Dietterich and his uncle, Jacob Dietrich..
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"Lester" <les570@pa.net> <njdetrick@earthlink. net> Thursday, November 06,2003 10:55 PM Detrick Family
Neil
We know from the Orphan's Court docum~that Elias (1713-1759) had an elder son named Elias and a younger son named John. John T. Humphrey (who, by the way, is related to the Dietterick's) writes that Johannes was sometimes referred to as Elias and also sometimes referred to as John (we can see that he was referred to as John in the Orphan's Court documents). In his later years Johannes was living in what is now the Town of Bloomsburg in Columbia Co., PA. I live about 10 miles from Bloomsburg. I traced Johannes through the records where he attended church In Bloomsburg and I have seen where he and his wife Anna Margaretha Long are buried. You asked "js it possible that Johannes and Johann Elias are one in the same." Although we know these are the names of two sons of Elias (1713-1759) it is quite possible that researchers are assigning these two different names to the same person. A lot of the data I have seen for each of these two guys is very similar. The one difference that does stand out is that Johann Elias is said to have died in 1795 and Johannes definitely died in 1809.
In my line the spelling from Dietterich to Dietterick seems to have occured around 1817 with the children of Ludwig (Lewis) Dietterich 1790-1870. (Elias 1713 -> Johannes 1738 -> Johannes Jacob 1768 -> Ludwig 1790) Of course, if you compare biographies, church records, court documents, obituaries and tombstone inscriptions, the spening of an individual name varies greatly.
Till later, Lester
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Neil
"Lester" <les570@pa.net> "Neil Detrick" <njdetrick@earthlink.net> Tuesday, November 11, 2003 12:09 PM Johannes Dietterich -
The old German naming traditions certainly cause a lot of confusion. I believe this is why genealogists (professional and amateur) arrive at conflicti~g results.
Here is the info I have on the Johannes Dietterich who is buried near Bloomsburg, Columbia Co., PA:
1. He was born in 1738 in Germany.
2. He was the son of Elias Dietrich (1713-1759) and Sara.
3. He arrived in America on the ship Halifax in September 1752 (listed as Johann Diedtrich) along with George Hans Dietterich (his brother) and Jacob Dietrich (his uncle).
4. He was first married to Magdalena Hart.
5. His second wife was Anna Margaretha Long.
6. Known children: John (1760-1794), Elias (1765- ), Johannes Jacob (1768-1835, my line), Frederick (17731849), Anna Sarah (1775-aft 1830) and Anna Margaretha (1778-1856).
7. His will begins "...1 John Dietterich of Bloom township" and is signed "Johannes Dietterich".
8. He moved to Bloomsburg (aka Bloom Twp. when he was living there) around 1803.
9. He died in Bloomsburg in 1809. His second wife Anna Margaretha Long died in 1808. Both were buried in the Old Rosemont Cemetery in Bloomsburg. Around 1925 their bodies and others were moved to the New Rosemont Cemetery just a few miles away. The bodies were moved to make room for the erection of a new high school.
There is a marker in the New Rosemont Cemetery for Anna Margaretha but not for Johannes. It is believed Johannes is buried next to Anna Margaretha in an unmarked grave.
10. He had an older brother Elias. Other known siblings are Judah, Christina and Jacob.
I believe a lot of the confusion between Johannes and his older brother Elias can be attributed to what appeared in the "History of Lehigh County Pennsylvania." One of the researchers and editors of this work was William J.
Dietrich, who also authored "The Dietrich Family in America." According to William J. Dietrich, "Johann Elias Dietrich", son of Elias, was born in 1738 in Germany and married Magdalena Hart. I and others believe that this "Johann Elias Dietrich" is really the Johannes (1738-1809) described above-thus all of the confusion.
I hope this helps.
Lester
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-------from Lester Dietterick-------
I just found additional evidence that the Johann Elias b. 1738 (owner of the bible that was the source of William J. Dietrich's material included in the "Anniversary History of Lehigh County, Vol. 2) is my Johannes 1738-1809.
Several paragraphs into the document it states: "Johann Elias Dietrich, son of Elias, born at Dresden, Germany, J 1738, in the year of our Lord 1759, married Magdalena Hart, born in 1741, 12 day of February. Children: John, born 22 day of November 1760, died 1795 and Magdalena. John Dietrich born in 1760, married Magdalena Snyder, 29 day of March 1782."
In John Dietterich, Jr.'s (1760-1794) estate file (Estate file no. 1583, Northampton Co., Easton, PA) it states in so many words that Johannes Dietterich (1738-1809) is John Jr.'s father.
I'm convinced that the Johann Elias in the often quoted Lehigh County document and my Johannes who died in Bloomsburg in 1809 are the same person.
On your Descendants of Wilhelm Dietrich list, page 1, you show "4 Johannes (John) Dietrich (Detrick) b. 26 Nov 1760 d. 1795 m. Magdalena Schneider b. > 1760." You show this Johannes (John) Dietrich as the son of Johann Elias Dietrich b. abt. 1738 d. 1795 and Magdalena Harta.
Accepting the fact that Johannes (John) was the son of Magdalena Harta, also accepting the fact that there were two brothers named Elias (the elder brother) and John (Johannes) (as per Elias Dietrich Orphan's Court Documents of 1761 - which I wrote to you about earlier), I have what I accept as sufficient proof that John (Johannes 1738-1809), not his elder brother Elias, was married to Magdalena Harta (Hart?).
I found a copy of John Dietterich, Jr. Orphan's Court papers (Estate file No. 1583, Northampton County, Easton, PA). These documents show that Magdalena Dietterich [the deceased John's wife] and John Dietterich [Johannes] were the administrators of John Jr's estate. On the last page it states "By a Bond due to John Dietterich one of the accountants [administrators] dated 20th day of January 1794 and which he the said John Dietterich doth hereby covenant and agree to distribute and pay to the children of the said deceased in equal proportions and shares as they shall respectively arive [sic] to their lawful age - being his grand children."
The last 4 words above "being his grand children" sufficiently proves to me that Johannes (not his elder brother Elias) was the father of John Dietterich Jr. and thus the husband of Magdalena Hart.
I compared Johannes' signature on the estate records with those I found in the Bloomsburg church records and found that they are the same. Johannes died and was buried in 1809 in Bloom Twp., Northumberland Co., PA. Bloom Twp. is now the Town of Bloomsburg and is now part of Columbia Co., PA.
I don't remember seeing any documents showing when Elias (the elder brother of John) died. Do you know of any?
The old German naming traditions certainly cause a lot of confusion. I believe this is why genealogists (professional and amateur) arrive at conflicting results.
Here is the info I have on the Johannes Dietterich who is buried near Bloomsburg, Columbia Co., PA:
1. He was born in 1738 in Germany.
2. He was the son of Elias Dietrich (1713-1759) and Sara.
3. He arrived in America on the ship Halifax in September 1752 (listed as Johann Diedtrich) along with George Hans Dietterich (his brother) and Jacob Dietrich (his uncle).
4. He was first married to Magdalena Hart.
5. His second wife was Anna Margaretha Long.
6. Known children: John (1760-1794), Elias (1765- ), Johannes Jacob (1768-1835, my line), Frederick (1773-1849), Anna Sarah (1775-aft 1830) and Anna Margaretha (1778-1856).
7. His will begins "...I John Dietterich of Bloom township" and is signed "Johannes Dietterich".
8. He moved to Bloomsburg (aka Bloom Twp. when he was living there) around 1803.
9. He died in Bloomsburg in 1809. His second wife Anna Margaretha Long died in 1808. Both were buried in the Old Rosemont Cemetery in Bloomsburg. Around 1925 their bodies and others were moved to the New Rosemont Cemetery just a few miles away. The bodies were moved to make room for the erection of a new high school. There is a marker in the New Rosemont Cemetery for Anna Margaretha but not for Johannes. It is believed Johannes is buried next to Anna Margaretha in an unmarked grave.
10. He had an older brother Elias. Other known siblings are Judah, Christina and Jacob.
I believe a lot of the confusion between Johannes and his older brother Elias can be attributed to what appeared in the "History of Lehigh County Pennsylvania." One of the researchers and editors of this work was William J. Dietrich, who also authored "The Dietrich Family in America." According to William J. Dietrich, "Johann Elias Dietrich", son of Elias, was born in 1738 in Germany and married Magdalena Hart. I and others believe that this "Johann Elias Dietrich" is really the Johannes (1738-1809) described above--thus all of the confusion.
I hope this helps.
Lester
To answer your question "What children do you show for Anna Margaretha Long," here they are:
Elias 8 Oct 1765 - bef. 21 Feb 1831, m. Catherine/Eva UnknownLN
Johannes Jacob 10 June 1768 - 1 Jan 1835, m. Christena Fester (this is my ancestor)
Frederick 10 Oct 1773 - 5 Oct 1849, m. Susannah Knorr
Anna Sarah 7 Sept 1775 - aft 1830, m. Michael Rentz/Rantz
Anna Margaretha 30 Jan 1778 - 24 Mar 1856, m. Heinrich/Henry Knorr
Keep in touch.
Lester
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From: gerifelker@webtv.net (geri brennan)
Subject: [PANORTHA-L] Anna Maria Frutchey, very, very, very long
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:23:24 -0500 (EST)
In-Reply-To: "Pam Fite" <fite52@comcast.net>'s message of Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:40:55 -0800
Deed. 10 April, 1791 for 338 pounds, Grantors; John (Johannes
)Dietterich (alias Teeter) Plainfield township, wheelwright, wife Ann
Margaret ( Anna Margretha)
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Sue Ellen Porter (View posts) Posted: 27 May 2001 7:00AM
Classification: Query
Surnames: Detrick, Dietrich, Deitrick, Deitrich
A John Detrick is listed in the 1800 Northampton Co US census. Plainfield Twp. (Which is adjacent to Lower Mt. Bethel Twp) This John Detrick was over age 45 in 1800. I believe the Frederick Detrick also listed in that 1800 plainfield twp was his son(age 16-26). I also believe that both subsequently went to Bloom Twp of Northumberland Co (which later became Columbia Co.) John died in 1809. His will lists these children: Elias, James, Frederick, Ann Margaret and Sarah. Any chance that your John Detrick b. 1792, son of Elias Detrick was related?

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