Thomas (Dimmock) Dimocke
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Thomas (Dimmock) Dimocke (abt. 1610 - bef. 1658)

Lieut Thomas Dimocke formerly Dimmock aka Dimock, Dimmock, Dymoke, Dimick, Demick, Dimmick
Born about in Englandmap
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 1635 [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died before before about age 48 in Barnstable, Barnstable, Massachusetts Baymap
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The Puritan Great Migration.
Thomas (Dimmock) Dimocke migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). (See The Great Migration (Series 2), by R. C. Anderson, vol. 2, p. 347)
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Disputed Origin and Wife

It has been claimed that Thomas was the son of Edward Dimmock,[1] but Anderson's The Great Migration, 2:347, shows no parents and states that Thomas's origin is unknown.

The Argument against “Hammond” as maiden name of Thomas Dimmock’s wife.

There were two William Hammonds associated with early New England. Note: They may have been mashed together on Wikitree, but that’s a pursuit for another day

1. William Hammond married in London Elizabeth Penn. He died and the Widow Elizabeth Hammond came to New England with children Benjamin, Elizabeth, Martha, & Rachel. They came in the ship Griffin along with John Lothrop their minister. She died 1640, in Boston.[2] No Ann listed as a child.

2. William Hammond of Watertown married Elizabeth Paine. He had a daughter Anne. He makes provision in his will for daughter Barnes, just mentioned; daughter Sarah Smith, wife of Adam; and Elizabeth House, wife of Samuel. [3]. He does not mention another daughter Anne married to John Lothrop or Thomas Dimmock.

Ann the daughter of William #2 married Timothy Hawkins, and was having children with him at the same time as Thomas Dimmock and his wife Ann, so was not Thomas' wife. She married second Ellis Barrons/Barnes. Ellis died in 1676, after the death of Rev. Lothrop. So neither was she the 2nd wife of John Lothrop as suggested on pg 27 of A Genealogical Memoir of the Lo-Lathrop Family in this Country, etc.

The Rev. John Lothrop by his records indicates an in law relationship with the following men. Samuel House, Robert Linnell and Thomas Dimmock. In 1888 Amos Otis states as fact concluded from the proceeding statement: A. that Rev Mr. Lothrop m 2nd Ann d/o William Hammond of Watertown.; B. that Samuel House married her sister Elizabeth; C. That Mr Dimmock married a 2nd Ann d/o William Hammond; D. That Mr Lothrops son married Sarah d/o Robert Linnell.

  • D. is not pertinent to this argument.
  • B. Mr. Lothrops 1st wife Hannah House was sister of Samuel House explaining that in law relationship. So we do not have to force Samuel's 2nd wife Eliz. Hammond into being related to Mr. Lothrop.
  • A. Mr. Lothrop’s second wife Ann, widow, supposedly d/o Wm Hammond, could not possibly be the above mentioned Ann. Also, why if they know she’s the d/o Wm Hammond do they never refer to her married name. Or was Hammond the married name in which case, she would most probably have another maiden name.
  • C. Mr Dimmock marrying a Hammond is based on Mr. Lathrop being married to a Hammond. It is most unlikely that two sisters had the same given name. Donald L Jacobus believes it is more likely that Mr. Lathrops 2nd wife Ann, was the sister of Thomas Dimmock.[4]

References other than Otis, all say that the evidence for the marriages to Ann Hammond are slim.

Biography

Thomas Dimmock[5] was born by about 1610 based on estimated date of marriage. An unsourced baptism of 7 Oct 1604, Lavenham, has been suggested.[6] There is no mention of Lavenham in the Great Migration article.

Thomas Demick, wife and family, came to Massachusetts Bay in 1635 on the "Hopewell" of Weymouth. There is no evidence that Thomas had children as early as 1635, so "family" may have referred to servants.[7].

He first settled in Dorchester, Massachusetts, and in 1635 was a resident of Dorchester where he was a selectman that year and was a freeman May 25, 1636.en.[8]

Savage says he removed to Hingham, Massachusetts in 1638, and Scituate, Massachusetts the next year and in 1640 to Barnstable, Massachusetts. However, he was in Dorchester as late as Jan 1637/8, and a resident in Barnstable as early as Dec 1639. No evidence has been located that he lived anywhere in between.[8]

Mr. Dimmock was the first Representative from the new town of Barnstable in 1640 and several times thereafter and was ordained a ruling elder in the Church August 7th, 1650.[9] Mr. Otis says "the history of Mr. Dimmock is identified with the early history of the town (Barnstable) and cannot be seperated.[10][11]

As a citizen of Barnstable, he held the offices of Deputy to Plymouth General Court, Commissioner to end small causes, Petit jury, Plymouth Colony committee to negotiate with Massachusetts Bay about disputed territory. He was one of council of war and lieutenant in the local militia.[8]

He died about 1658 and in the nuncupative will of Thomas Dimocke, attested by Anthony Annable and John Smith, on 4 June 1658, they state that "when he was sick last summer (1658) he said that what little he had he would give to his wife for the children were hers as well as his."[8][12] His widow Ann was living "in 1683 but probably died before 1686." [1][13]

Thomas and Ann had the following children:

  1. Timothy, baptized by Mr. Lathrop Jan 12, 1639-40, who was the first of the English who died at Barnstable and who was buried June 17, 1640.[1][14]
  2. Son, "Mr Dimmick his 2 children twinnes a sonn and a daughter unbaptized, buried March 18, 1640.[14]"
  3. Daughter, Mr Dimmick his 2 children twinnes a sonn and a daughter unbaptized, buried March 18, 1640.[14]"
  4. Mehitable, baptized April 18, 1642[14], married Richard Child of Watertown and had a family of two. [1]
  5. Shubael, baptized Sept. 15th, 1644 [1][14]
  6. Susanna, b. say 1646; married by 1668 Robert Shelley. The existence of and relationship of Susanna, was convincingly argued by Edith Bartlett Sumner and is included in the list of children in Anderson's Great Migration[8]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 "A brief account of the American branch of the Dimmick family" pp.1.
  2. Hammond, Roland. A History and Genealogy of the Descendants of William Hammond of London. p 9.
  3. Hammond Frederick Stam. History and Genealogies of the Hammond families in America... Vol I. Oneida, NY: Ryan & Burkhart, Printers, 1902.
  4. Jacobus, D.L. The Granberry Family and Allied Families. p 209 210., 1945
  5. Spelling used in Anderson's Great Migration
  6. Steve Condarcure's New England, Genealogy This site also names Anne Hammond as his wife.
  7. Robert C. Anderson's Great Migration Study Project, ShipsList Hopewell, 1635
  8. 8.0 8.1 8.2 8.3 8.4 Anderson, Robert Charles, et.al. The Great Migration, Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume II, C-F. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2001.
  9. "Scituate and Barnstable Church Records." New England Historical and Genealogical Register 10:38
  10. Deyo, Simeon L. (ed.) History of Barnstable, Massachusetts. (1890)
  11. Griggs, Chauncey Wright. "Three Men of Tacoma" National Magazine: A Monthly Journal of American History, Volume 13, pg 22-24.
  12. "Massachusetts, Plymouth County, Probate Records, 1633-1967," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-997D-VSN1 : 6 March 2023), Wills 1633-1686 vol 1-4 > image 191 of 616; State Archives, Boston. Page 75
  13. Wills, Inventories, Etc, 1637 to 1685, County of Barnstable; Probate Place: Plymouth, Massachusetts. Wills, Inventories, Etc, 1637-1685. Vol II 75 part I. Clerk's copy. Accessed at Ancestry ($)
  14. 14.0 14.1 14.2 14.3 14.4 "Scituate and Barnstable Church Records." New England Historical and Genealogical Register. Vol 9 pp 282, 283, 285. NEHGS, 1855.

See also:

  • Some alternate dates. Birth/Christening: 7 OCT 1604, Pinchbeck, Lincoln, England. Death: 4 JUN 1658, Barnstable, Barnstable, Massachusetts




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A Genealogy of the Dimock Family.

HAD we commenced this record fifty years ago no doubt it would have been easier work, but even then it would have been impossible to have obtained the names of all the descendants, much less the dates of births, marriages and deaths, seeing that they are widely scattered over the world-s-but we have done the best we could under the circumstances, and wish here to thank all who have tried to help us. Before we give the following record of the King's Champions, we wish to remind the reader that while world-ly-minded people may place great value on such titles, the humble Christian will place but little value on such high sounding titles. What they wish to value is the title that God gives to His redeemed children, who, He says, are to be made kings and priests for Him, the King of Kings, and Lord of Lords. And while we write of these things, we wish to throw in such thoughts as would cheer the heart to look forward to that glorious union---the Marriage Supper of the Lamb,---when Christ shall present to His Father, the King, His bride, the Lamb's wife, all glorious, as the King's Daughter, in garments of wrought needle work. Blessed are they that are called to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

Why should the children of a King, Go mourning all their days, Great Comforter, descend and bring, Some tokens of thy grace.

Then let our songs abound, And every tear be dry, We're marching through Immanuel's land, To fairer worlds on high.

We will now give some interesting history concerning our old ancestor Sir Robert Dymoke, who, with his de-scendants have acted as King's Champions for many hun-dreds of years, even for the thirty last coronations, of Eng-lish kings and queens, established as King's Champion by King William the First. According to the best information we can obtain we are satisfied that all the Dimock family in these Provinces and the U. S. are descendants of Sir Robert Dymoke, who was King's Champion at the coronation of Henry VII and Henry VIII. We well remember to have heard our parents and other old people tell how some of our ancestors had chosen to spell their name with a 'y' in the place of an 'i,' and that some had spelt it with two 'm's,' but. that the original name was Dymoke. In evidence of this we find articles in different old newspapers. In an article written by Samuel Lodge in the Illustrated London News, July 28th, 1888 :---"Here at the entrance to the park, a lit-tle to the left, and facing the road leading to the Rectory stands the famous Lyon Gate, so-called from the lion which stands on a stone archway, which is covered with ivy, and gives abundant evidence of old age. The careful observer will not fail to notice on the right hand of the arch a rude but curious cutting giving a rough delineation of the ety- mology of the name of Dymoke. An oak tree is plainly visible, the stem of which divides into two equal portions, with the letters R. DYMOK which in all probability may be taken to signify that the arch was built by Sir Robert Dymoke, who was King's Champion at the coronation of Henry VII and Henry Vlll,"

We will now give what recently appeared in an English paper. "London, April 16th.---There is a six weeks' old baby in England, who, if he lives till then, will play a ro-mantic part in the coronation ceremonies of Queen Victoria's successors. In other words this interesting infant is the future King's or Queen's Champion of Great Britain and Ireland."

The birth of the young Champion was modestly chron-icled in the London papers as follows :---"Dymoke---On the 22nd of February, at Scrivelsby Court, Lincolnshire, the wife of F. S. Dymoke, the most Honorable Queen's Champion, of a son and heir."

A quaint and ancient office is that of Queen's Champion of Great Britain and Ireland, now held by Squire Dymoke of Scrivelsby Court, and eventually to descend to the child just born to him. When William the Conqueror came over from Normandy he brought in his train one Robert de Marmion, Lord of Ontenaye, whose sires had long officiated as hereditary champions to the Norman dukes. King William granted to this Robert the manors of Scrivelsby and Tamworth in Lincolnshire, on condition---(and herein lies the right and title to the Queen's Championship)---that at the coronation of each and every Sovereign successor of the said King of England, then the heir male of said Robert de Marmion should appear at the foot of the throne, arrayed in full armour, with lance and shield, and taking off his gauntlet should cast it on the floor in challenge to all comers on behalf of his liege the King. And should any man pick up the gauntlet aforesaid in challenge of the King's claims, it should be the said champion's bounden duty to meet him there and then in single combat. For the due performance of these functions the champion should be confirmed in his manor of Scrivelsby, and should receive in guerdon from the King a cup of gold. There are thirty of these golden cups at the manor house of Scrivelsby in Lincolnshire, showing that the descendants of old Robert de Marmion, the first champion, have challenged all comers on behalf of their lords and masters at no less than thirty coronations. And the descendants of Robert Marmion made champion by William I continued to fling down the gauntlet at corona-tion after coronation down to that of her present Majesty on June 28, 1838. The direct male line of the Marmion family was the hero of Sir Walter Scott's famous poem of that name. Charles Dyrnoke, of Scrivelsby, was champion at the coronation of William III and Queen Anne. His brother Lewis acted for George I and George II ; then a cousin, John Dymoke, of Scrivelsby, was champion at the coronation of George III. Whether Albert, Prince of Wales, or his son George succeed Queen Victoria, or Her Majesty give place to some other heir, Mr F, S. Dymoke, and after him his baby son, will be next champion of Eng-land.

We give one more extract that appeared in a late English paper which says :---"Yet another of our fine old county seats is about to be dismantled, Scrivelsby Manor, by order of executors of the late Lady Dymoke, who has resolved to bring to the hammer all its costly contents, in- cluding the long series of family portraits, helmets of the champions of England from time immemorial."

We wish to be thankful that after nearly three years seeking for information, we are able to give a direct record of our ancestors from 1637 to present.

ELDER THOMAS DIMOCK+§on of Edward, came from England to Barnstable, Plymouth Co., Mass., in 1637. Elder Dimock married Ann Hammond ; their children---Timothy, Mahitable, Shubael ; the two first children died young.

Source: A GENEALOGY OF THE DIMOCK FAMILY FROM THE YEAR 1637. Compiled and Written by JOSEPH DIMOCK MARSTERS, Summerville, Hants Co., Nova Scotia. WINDSOR, N. S.: J.J. ANSLOW, PRlNTER AND PUBLISHER. 1899.

posted 19 Feb 2020 by James Dimock   [thank James]
Born by about 1610 based on estimated date of marriage. Came to Massachusetts Bay in 1635 on the "Hopewell" of Weymouth. First settled in Dorchester; moved to Barnstable in 1639.

Died before 4 June 1658 (probate of will). Married by 1635 Ann ______ (assuming she was the wife who came to New England with him). (On 7 August 1650, Rev. John Lothrop referred to this immigrant as "my brother Dimmicke." Jacobus argued that the "likeliest solution is that Lothrop's second wife was a sister of Thomas Dimmock." According to Otis, "the widow Ann Dimmock was living in October 1683.... She probably died before 1686." The evidentiary basis for these statements by Otis has not been found.) Savage believed that Thomas Dimmock moved from Dorchester to Hingham in 1638, then to Scituate, and finally to Barnstable in 1640. Dimmock was in Dorchester as late as January 1637/8, and in Barnstable as early as December 1639; no evidence has been found that he resided anywhere in between. Banks derived this immigrant from Chesterblade, Somersetshire, but this suggestion, and another made more recently, were disposed of in 1999. Source: Robert C. Anderson's Great Migration Study Project.

posted 16 Mar 2013 by Homer Hopper   [thank Homer]
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Updated Memorial # after merge at Find A Grave
posted by Beryl Meehan
edited by Beryl Meehan
Name at birth should be Dymoke.
posted by James Dimock
James, what's your source for that last name at birth?
posted by Jillaine Smith
A GENEALOGY OF THE DIMOCK FAMILY FROM THE YEAR 1637. Compiled and Written by JOSEPH DIMOCK MARSTERS, Summerville, Hants Co., Nova Scotia. WINDSOR, N. S.: J.J. ANSLOW, PRlNTER AND PUBLISHER. 1899.
posted by James Dimock
No, it states the original name was Dymoke. Page 4.
posted by James Dimock
edited by James Dimock
While the family name might have at one point been Dymoke, the book uses Dimock for *Thomas* and as others have pointed out, Anderson does not accept this 1899 publication's claims

So we actually don't know how the immigrant's name was spelled at his birth.

posted by Jillaine Smith
The book uses "Dimock" because the modern spelling of the line the author was related to was spelled that way. Several other lines descended from the Elder Thomas use different spellings.
posted by James Dimock
The number of different spellings of this name attached to this profile is absurd. If some of these spellings weren't known to be used by or of this specific individual, they should be removed to a footnote way, way, down at the bottom of the profile, if not removed entirely.

The LNAB or family name of an individual should refer only to that individual, not names used by ancestors or collateral lines of descent.

posted by Lois (Hacker) Tilton
Wikitree's search mechanism, only allows searching for spellings that have been associated with a surname. I think that's it's important at this early immigrant stage to add as many spellings as are necessary to cover the bases, so that duplicate profiles will not be created using alternate spellings. In addition, I think that the spellings listed here are probably all associated with this person or his immediate relatives.
posted by Anne B
If and when we find a birth/baptism record for Thomas, then we can change the last name at birth; lacking that, we follow Anderson.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Since we don't have a certain birth/baptismal record, nor are we certain of his parents and origins, we (PGM project) defer to the spelling that Anderson uses in the Great Migration series. In this case he uses "Dimmock." Futher details on the project's guidelines for LNAB are here.
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
edited by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
I will take care of this, since I did most of this bio.
posted by Anne B
It looks like a cut and paste was added from here: (from nearer the bottom of the page )

https://www.geni.com/people/Thomas-the-Elder-Dimmock/6000000007602609843

posted by Chris Hoyt
Some new information was just added to this profile; we now have two separate biographies that need merging into a single, chronological narrative. Anyeone want to take this on? Thanks.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Dimmick-279 and Dimmock-23 appear to represent the same person because: Clearly same person, please examine wife and children for merges as well.
posted by Michael Stills
The source cited in the bio, has disappeared.
posted by Anne B
I have added a Disputed Origin paragraph. If nobody knows any source for Thomas's alleged father, I will detach him.
posted by [Living Schmeeckle]
Dimock-25 and Dimmock-23 appear to represent the same person because: Dimmock LNAB
posted by Anne B
I have added a "disagreement" to the top of the Thomas bio to explain why I believe that we should:

Disconnect Anne (Hammond) Barron d/o William, who could not possibly have been the wife of Thomas Dimmock. She was having children with Timothy Hawkins at the same time that Thomas and wife Ann were having children. We need to make sure that her Dimmick children stay with Thomas.

Merge: the Ann Hammonds into Ann Unknown-104073 who is currently wife of Thomas Dimock-101, of the proposed merge below.

posted by Anne B
Dimock-101 and Dimmock-23 appear to represent the same person because: Same wife, same child. There is no proven proper LNAB for Thomas. Dimmock is the spelling used in the earliest Barnstable church records for the baptisms of his children.
posted by Anne B
Hi, where does Thomas' wifes' maiden name come from??
posted by Anne B

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