Flaald (Dol) de Dol
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Flaald (Dol) de Dol (abt. 1011 - abt. 1076)

Flaald "Fledaldus" de Dol formerly Dol
Born about in Dol, Bretagne, Francemap
Son of [uncertain] and [mother unknown]
Brother of
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Died about at about age 65 in Dol, Bretagne, Francemap
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Biography

Name

Flaald is the name by which he is most often known. His name sometimes appears with his title, Flaald Dapifer (Flaald the cup-bearer). Fledaldus is the Latin equivalent and sometimes it too appears with a title, Fledaldus Senescal.

Flaald of Dol, Dapfifer of Dol and Senescal of Dol [1]

In Legendary Scottish Stewart Ancestry Flaald of Dol in Brittany has become conflated with the legendary Scottish Fleance, son of the legendary Banquo. Appearance of a name like "Flaad Banquo de Dinan" is an indication that one has come upon legendary rather than factual material.

Disputed Lineages, Seneschals of Dol

This profile is affected by conflicting lineages provided in 1901 by J. Horace Round [2] and a century later in 2009 by Paul A. Fox. [3] The two conflicting lineages and this profile's place in them are shown at Round and Fox and the Seneschals of Dol.

The website called the Peerage generally follows Round. According to it, Flaald fitz Flaald, Seneschal de Dol en Bretagne was the son of Allan, Seneschal de Dol.1 [4] and gained the title of Seneschal de Dol en Bretagne. [4] The Peerage does not explain how Flaald fitz Flaald was the son of someone not named Flaald.

1011 Estimating Birth Year in Round and Fox

Both Round and Fox agree on the existence of Flaald, Steward of Dol, and the major outlines of his life. Because of their differing theories of Flaald's relationships with others, however, there is a substantial difference in dating.

Based on Round: 1052 Dating based on Round's scenario is derived from the presumed death of Alan the Crusader in 1095, the assumption that Alan the Crusader is the older brother of Flaald and the source of Flaald's position and property upon Alan's death. Estimating the birth of Alan the Crusader as no earlier than 1050, for he would then be 45 at his death in the First Crusade, younger brother Flaald's birth could be estimated at 1052. The Geni site places Flaald's birth as 1046 in Dol De Bretagne [5] The Geni site primarily follows Round and does not have the benefit of the various citations employed by Fox. The Peerage site gives a birth year of 1048 in Dol de Bretagne [4] and also follows Round's genealogy, which is the standard.

Based on Fox: 1011 Fox's association of father Hato with dated charters makes Hato an earlier person than Round's father Alan. With Hato's own birth estimated at 990, his son Flaald would not be born earlier than 1008 when he was 18. Fox provides charters that Flaald himself witnessed as early as 1034. If Flaald was 21 at the time, he would not be born later than 1013. Splitting the difference, one can say that Flaald, Steward of Dol was born, say, 1011, when his father Hato would have been 21.

This site follows Fox's account, with notes where possible as to differences with Round.

Parentage

Round ("Alan") and Fox ("Hato") give Flaald's father different names. Because they have given Flaald himsself different time spans, the father of Flaald has different estimated birth years. In addition, Fox, reflecting an additional century of research, has potential access to more original documentation .

  • Hato. As established by Fox, Flaald, Steward of Dol, was the son of Hato, Knight of Dol. [3]
  • Alan. Fox's discovery of Hato is a change from the assertion a century before, that Flaald's father was named Alan. [2] Round had three brothers to find a father for and created Alan, but since Alan was only an estimated figure, no actual facts were found about him.
  • Unknown Father, "Senescal of Dol." Sir James Balfour Paul discusses three brothers in the family that held the office of Senescal or Steward of Dol, under the Counts of Dol and Dinan, in Brittany, but he does not name the father of the three brothers. [6]
  • Given this variety, researchers pose the question of whether any account has enough credibility to be selected over another. [7] Peter Stewart notes that "the strength of Fox's argument hinges largely on the occurrence of a Flaald son of Flaald in a charter that he neglects to quote, citing only fol 88v in Liber Albus of St-Florent de Saumur - elsewhere he refers to this manuscript at second hand, from a citation by Borderie, so it is not clear to me that Fox has actually consulted his source.

The difficulties posed by the differing Round and Fox accounts are illustrated by the Peerage site [4] which notes that "Flaald Dapifer, the second son of Alan "Dapifer", occurs as "Float filius Alani dapiferi" at the dedication of Monmouth Priory 1101." For Round, whose Flaald is born later and died later, the Flaald at Monmouth Priory is the Flaald of this profile. For Fox, whose Flaald is born earlier and dies earlier, the Flaald at Monmouth Priory is Flaald fitzFlaald, son of the Flaald of this prory.

Siblings

Round and Fox differ in the arrangement of Flaald's siblings, children and grandchildren, and the differences are discussed in detail at Round and Fox and the Seneschals of Dol.

Fox Perspective

  1. Flaald's father = Hato, knight of Dol, flourished 1013-1050. [3] Estimated birth year 990.
    1. Flaald, steward of Dol, married unnamed daughter of Tehel and Inoguen. [3] Estimated birth year 1011
    2. Hato, the knight, son of Hato, flourished 1050-86 [3] Estimated birth year 1020. Shortly after Rivallon's death in 1065, Rivallon's son William made a gift to Mont St.Michel signed at Dol and witnessed by Hato, brother of Flaald (Flotald). [8]

Round Perspective

  1. Flaald's father = Alan, Dapifer Dolensis[2] born, say, 1020. Merge with *Alan de Dol, b. 1020, m. Tittenfor Unknown. Alan the Crusader, oldest son, oldest son. Under Fox's schema, this profile is superfluous, because the Crusade experience belongs to Alan FitzFlaald. But it is retained here as part of the Round scenario.
    1. Alan the Crusader, son of Alan, Dapifer. died 1095.[2] born, say, 1050 (Round scenario).
    2. Flaald, sonof Alan, Dapifer. Occurs at Monmouth, 1101 or 1102, frater et filius Alana Dapiferi. [2] Born, say, 1052. (Round scenario). Another profile also fits: Fledaldus Seneschal
    3. Rhiwallon, son of Alan, Dapifer: Monk of St. Florent.[2] Born, say, 1054. (Round scenario)

1034 Witnessed Charter with son Flaald

Flaald appears in the record in 1034 when in the time of Abbot Albert of Marmoutiers (1034-1064), Hato and his son Flaald (Fledald), the steward witnessed a gift by Rivallon to Marmoutiers of half the church of St. Machut in the castle of Combourg. [3]

Marriage

Cawley simply states that the name of Flaald’s wife is not known. [9]

Given the close family relationships he has documented, Fox [3] believes, based on a variety of family associations, that Flaald, steward of Dol, married an unnamed sister of Main, daughter of Tehel and his wife Inoquen, Inoquen in turn being a daughter of Hamo I, viscount of Alet and his wife Rolenteline. Flaald's wife being a sister of Brient, lord of Châteaubriant, her profile appears as Unknown Châteaubriant

1050 Witnesses Charter of St. Pern

Around 1050, Flaald and his father Hato witnessed a charter of Rivallon of Dol and Josselin of Dinan giving the tithes of St. Pern to the new priory of St. Pern, a cell of St. Nicholas of Angers. Flaald and his father themselves made a donation to the same priory. [3]

"Goscelinus de Dinam…Rivallonus frater eius…Arveus…Radulfus…filius Donnalloni" donated "suam partem de decima terræ sancti Paterni" to Angers Saint-Nicolas by charter dated to [1050], witnessed by "Fretaldus et Hato pater eius". [9]

1060 Death of Father and Inheritance

It is estimated that Flaald's father died in about 1060. What happened at this point depends upon whether one follows Round or Fox.

Round Upon the death of Flaald's father, Alan, in about 1060, his inheritance went to his oldest son, Alan. Alan then exercised control of the family inheritance until his own death in the Crusades about 1097. Upon the death of Alan the Crusader, Flaald, next in line, inherited the wealth and titles. Paul, following Round, assumes that Alan the Crusader was an older brother of Flaald, and that the lands and office of Senescal of Dol reverted to Fledaldus or Flaald when this older brother died, circa 1097, in the first crusade. [6]

Fox' Upon the death of Flaald's father, Hato, in about 1060, his inheritance went to his oldest son, Flaald. Flaald then exercised control of the family inheritance until his own death.

Flaald was the first man to be given the important position of hereditary steward of the Archbishop of Dol, the most important official in his household apart from that of vidame. [3]

In the French administrative system of the Middle Ages, the sénéchal was also a royal officer in charge of justice and control of the administration in southern provinces, equivalent to the northern French bailli. It is equivalent to the Slavonic title stolnik or the English steward.[10]

Fox's hypothesis is that Flaald was the eldest son of Hato, and would have inherited upon the death of Hato. Fox further hypothesizes that Alan the Crusader was Flaald's son, [[Fitzflaald-16|Alan FitzFlaald] and rather than dying in the first crusade, went on to substantive accomplishments in England under Henry I.

1065 Gift to Mont St Michel

Shortly after Rivallon's death in 1065, son William made a gift to Mont St.Michel signed at Dol and witnessed by Hato, brother of Flaald (Flotald). [11]

1070 Gift of Church at Cuguen, in the barony of Combourg, to Marmoutiers)

In 1070-1082 Main, and his father Tehel, made a gift of the church at Cuguen, with the consent of Alan, son of Flaald, who shared the advowson, and was ratified by their lord, John of Dol. [3]

1076 Witnesses Various Charters

In 1076 a coup overthrew Archbishop Juhel, who had been excommunicated, and relations with the Vatican were renewed. A new abey at Dol was approved. Alan, son of Flaald, who by this time had inherited the stewardship of Dol, witnessed various charters associated with the foundation, and himself donated his bakehouse and shop in the village of Mezvoit where the priory was to be built, with the consent of his brother Flaald (Fledald) on condition that his brotehr Rivallon was received into the monastery. [3]

1076 Death of Flaald

Cawley states that Flaald died in the time period 1070-1076. [9]

Fox reports that Flaald, the first Steward of Dol, had died by 1076 and was succeeded by his eldest son Alan, while his younger son Flaald possibly occurs as the knight Flaald in the necrology of Mont-Saint-Michel. [12] This is supported by the observation that "In the Chartulary of the Abbey of St. Florent we find in 1080 and again in 1086 ' Alauus Senescallus ' or ' Alanus Dapifer Dolensis,' witnessing grants of laud to the Abbey, of which he was himself a benefactor, as is proved by a deed (ante 1080), to which his brother Fledaldus consents, granting to the Abbey a site for a church."

Round, who begins Flaald's life nearly a half century later, believes that the Flaald whom Fox considers father and the Flaald whom Fox considers son were the same person. Following Round, Peerage believes that Flaald died between 1080 and 1106, [4]

Events after 1076

The authors who do not believe Flaald died by 1076 report various activities which Fox would assign to the sons, Flaald FitzFlaald and Alan FitzFlaald.

  • Alan the Senescal engaged in the crusade of 1097, and died apparently without issue.
  • The lands and office of Senescal of Dol reverted to Fledaldus or Flaald, who had a son.
  • Flaald Dapifer, the second son of Alan "Dapifer", occurs as "Float filius Alani dapiferi" at the dedication of Monmouth Priory 1101. He is also mentioned as brother of Alan, the other "Dapifer." He left a son Alan, Sheriff of Shropshire.
  • Military service 1101 Active on the Welsh border Misc In the time of William the Conqueror, Alan, the son of Flaald, obtained by the gift of that King, the castle of Oswaldestre, [Oswestry] with the territory adjoining. Flaad was hereditary Steward of Dol. He consented before 1080 to a grant of land by his elder brother Alan to the Abbey of St. Florent. Misc 1069 [13]

Arrival in England. For Round and the authors following his chronology, Flaald came to England during his lifetime. For some, Flaald was with the fighters in the Army of William the Conqueror in 1066. [14] Adding credibility to this scenario are instances where Flaald or his son Alan were holding positions of responsibility in England or Wales. For Fox, it was the sons of Flaald who came to England, and they did not do so until the beginning of the reign of Henry I, in 1101. The Peerage notes that "Flaad had come to the favorable notice of King Henry I of England" without noting the incidents of help given to Henry when he was in Dol. [4]

Issue

As with so many other details, the different scenarios posed by Round and Fox lead to different scenarios regarding children.

In the Fox scenario, which this profile follows, Flaald, steward of Dol, whose birth year might be estimated as 1011, married an unnamed daughter of Tehel and Inoguen. [3] and had three sons:

  1. Alan FitzFlaald, Steward of Dol, married Avelina de Hesdin. It is Alan Fitzflaald, son of Flaald, not Alan the Crusader who goes on the First Crusade. In the Fox scenario, this same Alan, having survived the Crusade, is the husband of Aveline de Hesdin, and goes on to a full career in England, with three FitzAlan sons, Walter, William and Jordan. Cawley shows Alain, who died before 1114. Hereditary Seneschal of Dol. "Maino filius Theogineti […Theonus]" donated the churches of Gugnen and Voël to Combourg priory, with the consent of "filiis suis Haimone et Gauterio, et Alanus filius Flaudi", by undated charter. [9]
  2. Flaald FitzFlaald]]. It is Flaald, the son of Flaald, who is present at Monmouth Priory in 1101 or 1102. Cawley shows that “Alanus Siniscallus” granted rights to Mezvoit, a cell of Saint-Florent near Dol, with the consent of “Fledaldus frater eius”, in return for admitting his brother Rhiwallon into the fraternity[735]. "Flaald son of Flaald" witnessed a charter dated Jan 1087 which records a donation of land at Mezvoit to Dol. [9]
  3. Rivallon, monk of St. Florent at Dol, Currently shown as born 1054. Cawley shows that “Alanus Siniscallus” granted rights to Mezuoit, a cell of Saint-Florent near Dol, with the consent of “Fledaldus frater eius”, in return for admitting his brother Rhiwallon into the fraternity[737]. Monk at St Florent, Saumur. [9]

In the Round Scenario, it is Flaald of Dol himself, born, say, 1052, son of Alan, Dapifer who is present at Monmouth Priory in 1101 or 1102, "frater et filius Alana Dapiferi." [2] Alan the Crusader is his older brother and Rhiwallon the monk is his younger brother; he has one son of note:

  1. Alan Fitz Flaald, son of Flaald, founder of Sporle Priory.[2], born about 1075. The Peerage [4], following Round, places the birth of Flaald's son Alan (Alan Dapifer FitzFlaald) in 1078 in Dol. He married Aveline de Hesding and has three FitzAlan sons, Walter, William and Jordan.

Research Notes

Duplicate Persons

Parents of Flaald

As noted above, there is disagreement on the name of Flaald's father, but some documentation has been provided by Fox.

Some sites also provide a name for Flaald's mother. These are without documentation and must be considered legendary:

  • Tittensor wife of Alan of Dol [13]

Alternate Marriages

Flaald is sometimes shown as the husband of the following, which often reflects conflation with Scottish figures such as Fleance.

  1. Guenta (Griffith) Verch Griffith, born 1050
  2. Domina Norton , born 1055
  3. Filia Rex Scotiae (Daughter of the Scottish King)
  4. Catherine de Dol, however, no documentation has been found that she is a real person.Day-1904 06:37, 22 January 2018 (EST)
  5. Margaret de Scotland Example of Scottish connection, Stewart mythology.

DNA

According to members of the Adams Family in England, his haplogroup is DF100/CTS4528[13]

Source

  1. L. Neal Clifton. Clifton's Collectibles Genealogy. Stewart Accessed May 29, 2018 jhd
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 John Horace Round. Studies in Peerage and Family History. New York: Longmans Green; Westminster: Archibald Constable; 1901. The Origin of the Stewarts p. 115-146. Accessed December 28, 2017 jhd
  3. 3.00 3.01 3.02 3.03 3.04 3.05 3.06 3.07 3.08 3.09 3.10 3.11 Paul A. Fox. The Archbishops of Dol and the Origin of the Stewarts Foundations (2009) 3 (1): 61-76. Copyright FMG and the author. Accessed December 29, 2017. jhd
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.6 The Peerage [http://www.thepeerage.com/p511.htm#i5105 Flaald fitz Flaald, Seneschal de Dol en Bretagne] Cited by Geni. Flaald, Seneschal de Dol en Bretagne Accessed January 5, 2018. jhd
  5. Geni. Fledaldus Senescal Added by: Gail Ann Kern on May 21, 2008. Managed by: Jeff Gentes (on hiatus), Bjørn P. Brox and Eliza S. Accessed December 6, 2017. jhd
  6. 6.0 6.1 Sir James Balfour Paul, Lord Lyons King of Arms. The Stewart Kings in The Scots Peerage, Edinburg: David Douglas, 1904, Volume 1, page 9-10. Accessed December 28, 2017 jhd
  7. Andrew Lancaster "Stewards of Dol" Discussion on soc.gen.medieval, 12/9/2016. Accessed Dec 28, 2017 jhd
  8. Keats-Rohan, 2006, no. 18 and notes pp. 219-221, cited by Paul A. Fox. The Archbishops of Dol and the Origin of the Stewarts Foundations (2009) 3 (1): 61-76. Copyright FMG and the author. Accessed December 29, 2017. jhd
  9. 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.3 9.4 9.5 Charles Cawley. Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, Medieval Lands Database. Senechaux de Dol Accessed Feb 3, 2018 jhd
  10. Wikipedia [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneschal Seneschal]
  11. Keats-Rohan, 2006, no. 18 and notes pp. 219-221, cited by Fox.
  12. Keats-Rohan, 2006, p. 243, cited by Fox.
  13. 13.0 13.1 13.2 From jweber site. Cited by Cited by Geni. Flaald, Seneschal de Dol en Bretagne Accessed January 5, 2018. jhd
  14. http://knight-france.com/geneal/names/1664.htm. Cited by Weber"

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Dol-4 & Fitz_Alain-1 appear to represent the same person.

Dol-4: Flaald Dol-De Dol (c1011-c1076), son of Hato Dol-De Dol, son: Alan Fitzflaald Fitz_Alain-1: Flaad FitzAlan (1046-?) Parents unknown, son: Alan FitzFlaad.

Dinan-14 and Dol-4 appear to represent the same person because: Dinan-14 and Dol-4 are the same person. Dol is the preferred LNAB according to recent investigations.
posted by John Atkinson
Seneschal-6 and Dol-4 appear to represent the same person because: Clear duplicate. Same name, same birth year. Dol should be the LNAB.
posted by Jack Day
De Dinan-32 and Dinan-50 are not ready to be merged because: There is a lowered number Dinan-14 that seems to be the same person, these two profiles should be merged with that one.
posted by John Atkinson
Although this person is connected to lots of dubious people his son Alan is clearly real and clearly had a father named Flaald. So should he really be called disputed?

Also relevant: Discussion: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.genealogy.medieval/vxHxnfsW8z8

posted by Andrew Lancaster
Margaret of Wessex, can't have been the mother of this profile as they were both born about the same year. Also I've never seen any mention of another husband. Malcolm III Canmore, King of Scotland is the only husband in the sources.
posted by John Atkinson
Senescal DOL-1 and Dol-4 appear to represent the same person because: Same parents, spouse, children. Almost the same birth/death dates and locations.
posted by Bob Fields
DeDinan-5 and Dinan-50 appear to represent the same person because: merge pending for child and spouse.

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