Elizabeth Isabelle (Downing) Edwards (abt. 1692 - 1742)

Born about 12 Mar 1692 in Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales

Ancestors

Wife of Thomas Nathaniel Edwards Sr — married 12 Mar 1714 in Lleanymyceck, Wales

Descendants

Died 8 Jun 1742 at about age 50 in Savannah, Georgia

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Biography

Elizabeth (Downing) Edwards was born in Wales.

Elizabeth (Downing) Edwards was a Georgia colonist.

Elizabeth Downing

Profile represents Elizabeth Downing married Thomas Nathaniel Edwards

Edwards Heirs Controversy Myth summarized by Ancestry Magazine 11/1/1995 - Archive November/December 1995 Vol. 13 No. 6; Edwards heirs Supp. Vol. 1, No. 1 Story p.252 ^[1]

Disputed Parents

• The parents of Isabel Downing are *Unknown* her father was certainly *not* Sir George Downing, 2nd Baronet, of East Hatley. That family has been studied in depth and he had only one children:

1. Sir George Downing, 3rd Bt

• Note he definitely did not have a daughter named Isabel who came to Maryland.

See

1. Hyde, Myrtle Stevens, “A Study of the Downing Family in England, with Connections in Early New England”, in The American Genealogist. (D.L. Jacobus, 1999) 74:161-74, 299-308, 76:137
2. Donald Lines Jacobus and Edgar Francis Waterman, Hale, House and Related Families, Mainly of the Connecticut River Valley (Hartford 1952; rpt. Baltimore 1978) Link to Jacobus Hale, House 514-21
3. The American Genealogist 36:68-73
4. The Essex Genealogist 30:90-93, 125-32, 171-76
5. Susan Hardman Moore, Abandoning America: Life-stories from early New England (Woodbridge, Suffolk, UK: The Boydell Press, 2013) 90-95
6. The Complete Baronetage, vol 3, p. 279 link to source George Downing married Catherine Cecil 12 July 1683. Catherine (Cecil) Downing died 13 August 1688; George Downing did not re-marry; is recorded with 1 son as heir
7. A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland Enjoying Territorial Possessions Or High Official Rank: But Uninvested with Heritable Honours, Volume 4; John Burke; Colburn, 1838 - Great Britain p.299
8. Emanuel Downing, in Lundy, Darryl. The Peerage: A genealogical survey of the peerage of Britain as well as the royal families of Europe.
9. A history of Downing College which George Downing, 3rd Baronet financed is listed only child on page 19, and on page 37 citing bequests [link to source https://archive.org/details/downingcollege00stevrich]

Presumed parents Unknown - vs George Downing and Catherine Cecil Unlinked - There is no evidence to support them. Bottom of page 520 and top of page 521

Estimated Birth 1688-1690 Wales

Marriage Mar 12 1714 Wales - Thomas Nathaniel Edwards ^[2]

Estimated Children's Births 1713-1738

Estimated Children Birth Location Wales -- and possibly New York or North Carolina after parents arrival^[2]

Estimated Death died June 8, 1742 in Port Savanah, Chatham County, Georgia from Yellow Fever^[3]

Estimated Locations New York, Carolinas, Georgia, Virginia,

Discrepancy

This profile suffers an array of issues, which may never be resolved. Perhaps as more information becomes available some of the discrepancies can be resolved.

Most "early" information is a result of Family Trees reportedly from family papers and bibles relating to Edward Heirs claims. (where thousands of people tried to prove they were descendants) (p.90. 101, 109, 111, 161) (Affidavits, but no Bible References given).

Exact dates and locations Unknown (sources are suspect -

• There does not appear to be any exact civil or parish records to prove/disprove.
• Denbigh Wales does have some records supporting birth dates for several individuals - but No Parent information found to connect parents to children; No Bible Sources located; No Will Located)

There is a great deal of conflicting information – Several Source-to-Source discrepancies; co-mingling, Lack of records; conflicting family stories; number of same names, No Middle Names Verified, etc.;

Birth

Estimated Birth 1688-1690 Wales

versus various Dates/locations - Tree Sources are Suspect

12 Mar 1692 Place: Llandaff, Glamorgan, Wales

1692 Place: Cardiff, Glamorgan, , Wales

1692 Place: Cardiff County, Wales, United Kingdom

1692 Place: Llandaff, Glamorgan, , Wales

12 Mar 1693; ; Place: Llandaff, Glamorgan, Wales ^[4]

12 Mar 1693 Place: Cardiff, Glamorgan, , WalesSource:

12 Mar 1694 Place: Llandaff, Glamorgan, , Wales

1666 Place: Denbigh, Denbighshire, , Wales

Death

• Supposedly Elizabeth (Isobell) died 8 Jun 1742 of Yellow Fever along with 3 of her children at Port Savannah, Georgia, and was buried in Wales. [From Medical History of Strange Disease of Georgia’s First Settlers.]
• Sea Voyages in the 1700's from America to Wales typically lasted seven weeks. Logic would indicate that it is unlikely someone who died in America of Yellow Fever would be "transported for burial".

versus various Dates/locations - Tree Sources are Suspect

08 Jun 1783 Place: Edwards Hall, Wales ^[4]

08 Jun 1742 Place: Savannah, Chatham, Georgia,

1738 Place: Denbigh, Denbighshire, , Wales

1783 Place: Cardiff, Glamorgan, , Wales

Marriage

Reflects arrival (after marriage) at New York Harbor, 9 May 1714.^[2]

Estimated Children's Births 1713-1738; Location Wales -- and possibly New York or North Carolina after parents arrival^[2]

Source: Glamorgan Records on these pages. (REGISTER NOT LOCATED)

Robert Edwards born 24 Feb 1716 (page 1699)

Joshua born 12 May 1718 (page 1664)

William born 8 April 1720 ( page 1716)

Thomas Edwards was born 2 July 1723(Glamorgon Records- page 1705) in Cardi ff, Wales.

Leonard born May 1725 (page 1665)

John born 1727 (page 1652)

Jacob born 1729 (page 1643)

Martha Patsy born 1731 (page 1675 and 1674)

World Connect (Sourced HACKWORTH and TATE)

versus various Dates/locations - Tree Sources are Suspect

12 March 1713 Place: Cardiff, Glamorgan, , Wales

12 Mar 1713 Place: Stafford, Staffordshire, Wales

Lleanymyceck, Wales [Lindgren/Tryon]

• Descendants of Thomas Nathaniel EDWARDS (1690-1781) and Isabella Elizabeth DOWNING (1693-1785) are questionable because of the "Edwards Estate Scams".^[1]

Arrival

Several discrepancies regarding Thomas' arrival, reportedly arrived in 1714 according to Bio but generally believed to have arrived 1740-1750 (with children born in Wales)

• Thomas and Elizabeth reportedly married 1714 in Swansea Wales vs Apr 12, 1713 in North Carolina; reflects arrival (after marriage) at New York Harbor, 9 May 1714.^[2]
• Thomas and his wife reportedly in North Carolina about 1740

Will

No Will/Probate record Located to definitively Prove or Disprove Death Date, Locations, children, relationships, etc.

Isabella Elizabeth Downing. ^[5]

Born 12 MAR 1692. Cardiff, Wales. Map: Latitude: N51.5024. Longitude: W3.1988. ^[6]

Died 8 JUN 1783. Savannah, Chatham, Georgia. Map: Latitude: N32.0833. Longitude: W81.1. ^[7]

Isabella was born about 1694. She passed away about 1783.

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1} Edwards heirs Supp. Vol. 1, No 1 Consolidated File Vol 1-Vol 3Edwards heirs Supp. Vol. 1, No 1 Consolidated File Vol 1-Vol 3
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4} photos/artifacts Bio information
3. ↑ Medical History of strange disease of Georgia's First Settlers. - Book not located - seen by others [info found by J.C. Edwards died in 1923
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1} Source: Repository: Title: Global, Find A Grave Index for Non-Burials, Burials at Sea, and other Select Burial Locations, 1300s-Current Author: Ancestry.com Publication: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.
5. ↑ Source: #S325
6. ↑ Source: #S325
7. ↑ Source: #S325

See Also

Extensive Research by

• Research by Robin-leigh-C-Briguglio (Sourced)
• Redbird Acres [*Timeline Research
• Edwards Family Extensive research by James E. Hargrave and and Joyce Jogen (Sourced)
• Jamie Adams Research (Sourced)
• World Connect (Sourced)
• Find a Grave Memorial 57774495
• Geni (sourced Anthony J. Christensen, Arthur Edwards and His Descendants, (Spanish Fork Utah: Mac Anthony Corp.,1991).
• Bio of Thomas Nathaniel Edwards

Compiled Tree Information and Links

• p.107 Digital Copy The Lindgren/Tryon Genealogy: The Ancestry of John Ralph Lindgren and Shirley Ann Tryon, Revised Edition; J. Ralph Lindgren; Trafford Publishing, Jan 24, 2008
• Loftin Family Research - Thomas Nathaniel Edwards (Sources for Flora Edwards b. 1901)
• Thomas Nathaniel Edwards, Sr. Geni (Sourced)
• Edwards Family Research by Joe Crouch (Sourced)

Acknowledgments

• Thanks to Elizabeth Ross,
• Mike Edwards
• Paul Duncan for creating WikiTree profile Downing-828 through the import of Duncan-Anderson Family Tree_2013-11-03.ged on Nov 3, 2013.
• Michael Marquez created Downing-1133 through the import of marquez Family Tree(1).ged on Oct 28, 2014.
• Ross Erickson created Downing-1298 through the import of Helen Doris Coombe.ged on Apr 14, 2015.
• Caroline James created Downing-1475 through the import of Caroline James Family Tree.ged on Aug 12, 2015.
• Richard Beason. WikiTree profile Downing-231 created through the import of 1rebeason jun 011.ged.ged on Sep 7, 2011 by
• Dave McNally for created Downing-215 on 4 Sept 2016.
• Kenneth Jordan. created Downing-452 through the import of Kenneth LeRoy Jordan Family Tr.ged on Jan 14, 2013