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Agnes (Dunbar) Douglas Lady Dalkeith (abt. 1347 - bef. 1378)

Agnes "Elizabeth" Douglas Lady Dalkeith formerly Dunbar
Born about in Berwickshire, Scotlandmap
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Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Wife of — married 21 Nov 1372 (to 1378) in Scotlandmap
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Died before before about age 31 in Dalkieth, Midlothian, Scotlandmap
Profile last modified | Created 21 Feb 2011
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Biography

Agnes (Dunbar) Douglas Lady Dalkeith is a member of Clan Dunbar.

Agnes was a daughter of Patrick Dunbar by Isabel Randolph, daughter of Thomas, 1st Earl of Moray.[1]

Marriage to John Maitland

She married (first) John Maitland of Thirlestane (his second wife). In a charter dated 23 August 1369 Agnes's brother George, [9th] Earl [of Dunbar and] March, granted "to John Mautalent, for his homage and service, all his lands and tenements of his barony of Tybres [Tibbers] with their whole pertinents, to wit, the town (villam) of Tybres with the dominical lands and mill, multures and sequels, Glengerrok, Auchyngasylle, Auchynawht, Auchbynbany, Dubillay, Klochyngare, Knokbaen, Penpont, with mill, multures and sequels, and all his lands lying between Scharre and Schynnylle with all their pertinents, excepting to the granter and his heirs, his messauge, the moat (monte) of the Castle of Tybris, with Dalgernok, and the lands of the free tenants lying within the foresaid lands; to be holden by the said John and Robert, his son, born of the granter’s sister Agnes, and the heir or heirs proceeding from the said Robert, of the granter and his heirs whomsoever, for rendering three suits yearly at the granter’s court of Tybres, and to the King forensic service, so much as belonged to the lands." [2][3]

There were two children from this marriage:

Affianced Bride of David II, King of Scots

David II's divorce from his queen consort, Margaret Logie was finalized sometime in 1369,[5] and by January 1371 the king had taken Agnes as his mistress and intended bride, although a royal wedding was necessarily delayed until a divorce could be obtained from Agnes's husband.[6]David II was anxious to strengthen an alliance with the earl of Dunbar, and equally anxious to produce a son (which Agnes had already proven herself capable of). In January 1371 Agnes was given by the king a pension of £1000 from the customs of Aberdeen, funds which had previously been provided to Margaret Logie.[6] David granted a number of charters and settlements in 1369 which were intended to compensate in advance the Dunbars of March, the Maitlands, and some of their extended family members who would likely be affected by Agnes's divorce from Maitland and marriage to the king, including arranging for Agnes's brother George to receive the earldom of March from his cousin/uncle Patrick.[7]

David II's death by 22 February 1371 (at the age of forty-six), before his wedding to Agnes could take place, was entirely unexpected.[8] Agnes's brother George, earl of March, then contracted her in marriage to Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith, a close ally of his own and of the former king.[6]

Marriage to James Douglas of Dalkeith

The exact date of Agnes's marriage to James Douglas of Dalkeith is not known, but was sometime after December, 1372 when her brother signed her marriage contract.[6][9] Upon her marriage to Douglas, Agnes received from her brother, George, the lands of Mordington and Whittinghame.[1][10]

There were at least four children from this marriage:

Death

The exact date of Agnes's death is unknown, but had to have ocurred before October, 1378 when her husband married (2) Egidia Stewart.[12]

Research Note

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Paul, Sir James Balfour. The Scots Peerage. Edinburgh: D. Douglas (1904). vol. 3, p.261.
  2. Original Charter at Drumlanrig, Fifteenth Rep. Hist. MSS. Com., App. viii, 32, cited in Paul, Sir James Balfour. The Scots Peerage. Edinburgh: D. Douglas (1904). vol. 5, pp.284-285.
  3. Cockayne, G.E.The Complete Peerage . London: St Catherines Press (1929),vol VII, pg 489n
  4. 4.0 4.1 Paul, Sir James Balfour. The Scots Peerage. Edinburgh: D. Douglas (1904). vol. 5, pp.285-286.
  5. Penman, Michael. The Kingship of David II, 1329-1371. Ph.D. Thesis, University of St Andrews (1998), p. 491. Available here as a PDF.
  6. 6.0 6.1 6.2 6.3 Penman, Michael. The Kingship of David II, 1329-1371. Ph.D. Thesis, University of St Andrews (1998), p. 487. Available here as a PDF.
  7. Penman, Michael. The Kingship of David II, 1329-1371. Ph.D. Thesis, University of St Andrews (1998), p. 490. Available here as a PDF.
  8. Penman, Michael. The Kingship of David II, 1329-1371. Ph.D. Thesis, University of St Andrews (1998), p. 522. Available here as a PDF.
  9. Genealogical Collections made by Walter Macfarlane 1750-1751 edited by James T. Clark, Keeper of the Advocates' Library, Edinburgh, Scottish History Society, 1900, vol.ii, p.286.
  10. Lang, Rev. Marshall B. Whittinghame. Edinburgh: (1929), p.133.
  11. Reg. Honor. de Morton, ii. 145-147, cited in Paul, Sir James Balfour. The Scots Peerage. Edinburgh: D. Douglas (1904), vol. 6, pp. 348-349.
  12. 12.0 12.1 12.2 12.3 12.4 Paul, Sir James Balfour. The Scots Peerage. Edinburgh: D. Douglas (1904), vol. 6, pp. 348-349.
  13. 13.0 13.1 Paul, Sir James Balfour. The Scots Peerage. Edinburgh: D. Douglas (1904), vol. 6, pp. 350-351.
  14. Reg. Honor. de Morton, ii.200, 2021, 325, cited in Paul, Sir James Balfour. The Scots Peerage. Edinburgh: D. Douglas (1904), vol. 6, pp. 348-349.
  15. Paul, Sir James Balfour. The Scots Peerage. Edinburgh: D. Douglas (1904), vol. 4, p. 346.

:See Also:

  • Anderson, William. The Scottish Nation. Edinburgh: A. Fullarton & Co. (1867),vol.vii, p.74.
  • Johnston, George Harvey. The Douglases of Morton - The Heraldry of the Douglases: With Notes on All the Males of the Family, Descriptions of the Arms, Plates and Pedigrees, Edinburgh: W. & A.K. Johnston, Limited, 1907. 63.
  • Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica edited by Joseph Jackson Howard, LL.D.,F.S.A., volume 2, London, 1876, p.205, gives her as Agnes and as a daughter of Patrick, Earl of Dunbar or March [note: this source can be found here but does not appear to have any information about the family of the subject of this profile.]




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posted by Jen (Stevens) Hutton
Dunbar-914 and Dunbar-99 appear to represent the same person because: Same woman, same parents. She was married first to John Maitland and second to James Douglas. Will need some clean up after the merge.
posted by Jen (Stevens) Hutton
It seems different researchers, particularly in the 19th and early 20th centuries, sometimes employed different numbering systems, which has created confusion for modern researchers...and the Dunbar line is no different. Also, the titles of Earl of Dunbar and March were sometime used interchangeably, which adds to the confusion. In Scots Peerage (V. 3, p. 262), for e.g., "Black Beard" is referred to as the 8th Earl of Dunbar, his son, Patrick as the 9th Earl of Dunbar and the "2nd or 4th of March." Anderson, in The Scottish Nation (V. IV, p. 74), refers to son Patrick as the 8th Earl of Dunbar. In the Calendar of Documents (Vol. 4, pp. xiv, xv, xxiii), he is referred to as the 9th Earl of Dunbar and March. This is frequently an issue you run into with medieval research and is one of the challenges in sorting out pedigrees. If anyone has a better explanation, jump in!
posted on Dunbar-914 (merged) by Pamela Lohbeck
There seems to be some confusion in the numbering of the Earls of Dunbar. We have Patrick as the 8th Earl of March, 9th Earl of Dunbar. He was the son of Sir Patrick "Black Beard" de Dunbar, 8th Earl of Dunbar, and the father of George Dunbar, 9th Earl of Dunbar and 10th Earl of March, 12th Lord of Annandale.

Can you provide any clarification?

posted on Dunbar-914 (merged) by Jeanie (Dunbar) Dubberley
Patrick, the 9th Earl of Dunbar and March, was a sealant of the Declaration of Arbroath. However, in Bain's Calendar of Documents, Vol. 4, pp. xiv, xv, xxiii, only two sons (who pre-deceased Patrick) and a wife named Isabella are mentioned. Scots Peerage, Vol. 3, p 269 also confirms Patrick's first wife (by whom he "probably had issue") and second wife Agnes Randolph (no children). Most reviewed sources address his political and military career, with no mention of wives/children. Based on this cursory research, there is no evidence that he had a daughter named Agnes. Deeper research may or may not prove otherwise.
posted on Dunbar-914 (merged) by Pamela Lohbeck
edited by Pamela Lohbeck
Colin, thanks for pointing this out. I have detached these parents, and added a research note to the profile. This profile is currently part of the Arbroath study (although that may be in question now) so it is on the Arbroath team's list to update/research. However, that is a very long list so I cannot guarantee when a team member will be able to get to it. It looks like this family needs quite a bit of untangling.

Jen, for the Scotland Project

posted on Dunbar-914 (merged) by Jen (Stevens) Hutton
Can some one fix this as there seem to be no sources for her being daughter of above parents?

Two of her children are my ancestors

posted on Dunbar-914 (merged) by Colin Whitehead
Dunbar-99 and Dunbar-237 appear to represent the same person because: These two profiles are the same person.
posted on Dunbar-237 (merged) by Gregory Lauder-Frost
Merge completed. There may be an issue with daughter Mary, either relationship is incorrect or birth estimates are too far off.
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Very many thanks but we have lost her parents in the merger: John Dunbar and Isobel Randolph.

As for Mary, the dates are a headache and Douglas can be unreliable. However he does cite a charter in which Mary's husband is mentioned from 1380. This is a grim period for original sources.

posted by Gregory Lauder-Frost
It appears we may have been working on the two profiles around the same time and the parent links managed to get lost in the shuffle, mea culpa. Would you please verify that I've attached the correct parents?

As for Mary, I haven't studied this family at all, and am happy to know that she's at least a likely candidate for Agnes' daughter as the date discrepancy had me concerned. Agnes as a 7-year-old mother is ... uncomfortable.

posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
You have done this correctly. Please excuse my edited notes. haha.
posted by Gregory Lauder-Frost
edited by Gregory Lauder-Frost
I'll post this on a couple of profiles - the Dunbar's are confusing :). Link to FMG for additional clarity.

Agnes Dunbar-99: Not sure of parent's though not Dunbar-104 and Randolph-191. This Agnes is not the one who married James Douglas of Dalkeith. Agnes Dunbar-914: She married James of Dalkeith Douglas-410 Patrick Dunbar-104 and Isabella Randolph-191 are the parents of Agnes Dunbar-914 Alexander Dunbar-105 is the father of Patrick Dunbar-104 Patrick Dunbar-220 and Marjorie Comyn-35 are the parents of Alexander Dunbar-105 and Patrick V Dunbar-219 Patrick V Dunbar-219's spouse Agnes Randolph-348 is the sister of Isabella Randolph-191

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#PatrickDunbardied1289B

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_Dunbar_(mistress) (Dunbar-914)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes,_Countess_of_Dunbar (Randolph-348)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_V,_Earl_of_March (Dunbar-219)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_IV,_Earl_of_March (Dunbar-220)

posted on Dunbar-914 (merged) by Bill Oliver
I'll post this on a couple of profiles - the Dunbar's are confusing :). Link to FMG for additional clarity.

- Agnes Dunbar-99: Not sure of parent's though not Dunbar-104 and Randolph-191. This Agnes is not the one who married James Douglas of Dalkeith. - Agnes Dunbar-914: She married James of Dalkeith Douglas-410 - Patrick Dunbar-104 and Isabella Randolph-191 are the parents of Agnes Dunbar-914 - Alexander Dunbar-105 is the father of Patrick Dunbar-104 - Patrick Dunbar-220 and Marjorie Comyn-35 are the parents of Alexander Dunbar-105 and Patrick V Dunbar-219 - Patrick V Dunbar-219's spouse Agnes Randolph-348 is the sister of Isabella Randolph-191

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#PatrickDunbardied1289B

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_Dunbar_(mistress) (Dunbar-914)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes,_Countess_of_Dunbar (Randolph-348)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_V,_Earl_of_March (Dunbar-219)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_IV,_Earl_of_March (Dunbar-220)

Hope this helps!

posted by Bill Oliver
edited by Bill (Olive) Oliver
Dunbar-99 and Dunbar-914 do not represent the same person because: Everything looks good, except the fathers are 2 separate people.
posted on Dunbar-914 (merged) by Raymond Eugene Adkins Jr. (1949-2018)
Dunbar-99 and Dunbar-914 appear to represent the same person because: These two ladies certainly appear to be the same wife of James Douglas, but the other information doesn't gibe. I believe her mother was Isabella, not the other. A birthday of about 1335 sounds reasonable, but it's anyone's guess where she was born. I'm interested because my wife is a direct descendant.
posted on Dunbar-914 (merged) by Rod Schultz