John Duncan
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John Duncan (abt. 1530 - bef. 1630)

John Duncan aka Duncane, Dunkin, Duncanne [uncertain]
Born about in (Perth, Perthshire) (Fife), Scotlandmap [uncertain]
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married about 1550 in Dundee, Scotlandmap [uncertain]
Descendants descendants
Died before before about age 100 in Perth near Firth of Tay, Perthshire, Scotlandmap
Profile last modified | Created 4 Aug 2011
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Discrepancy

No original source records have been located to confirm birth, marriage or death records. It appears that some erroneous information may have been published, and perhaps republished/reported, making the “actual facts” obscure.

Several name variations -- Johne (Duncane, Duncanne, Dunkin); Janet, Jonet, Jonat (Marie) Andro, Andre
John Duncan b. 4 May 1600 Scotland m. 1631 Magdalen Ferguson- -- Presumed son of William and Katherine Wedderbrun -- not John/Jonet Andro) (No proven connections to Virginia or South Carolina Duncan's)

This presumption would have John Duncan marrying his half-sister Magdalen Ferguson they both having the same mother viz. Katherine Wedderburn.

William Duncan 1601 Scotland (Presumed son of William and Katherine Wedderbrun -- not John/Jonet Andro) (No proven connections to Virginia or South Carolina Duncan's)

This cannot be William Duncan the son of William Duncan and Katherine Wedderburn, as that William had a son born 1613.

Unsupported Information from Imports

Thorough Research Required -- Names may be real -- Accounts appear to be fictionalized insofar as "Duncan Line" . This genealogy seems to be inaccurate and appears to have originated with a series of books written by Don Greene and Noel Schutz called "Shawnee Heritage". The Duncan line captured appears to be "Unsourced And Undocumented and generally conflicts with record proof.

  • No Information regarding children located other than alternate (unsourced) Ancestry Trees [1]
  • No proven connection to Duncan's of Lundie and William of Seaside (Seasyde)
  • No proven connection to Virginia or South Carolina Duncan's
  • Unproven family relationships.

Biography

John Duncan is a member of Duncan Clan.

John Duncan [2]
presumed parents: Sir William Duncan and Lady Agnes Robinson
Birth Estimate: 1530 , Possibly Fife (vs Perth, Perthshire (vs Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Marriage Estimate: 1550-1560 - Jonet Andro; probably Dundee, Scotland, (vs Angus)
Death Estimate: Before 1630, probably Petlocey, Cupar, Dundee (now Fife) (vs May 2, 1587 in Perth, Perthshire, Scotland}
Cupar Location: former royal burgh in Fife between Dundee and Glenroth; Land Leases and Ballgirschow within same area as Cupar.

Rental Book p. 150 [2]
[Fol. 77] Tack to Johne Ducane in Petlocey ( £4.16s) 169. Be it kend til all men be thir present lettres wes Donald . . . .abbot of the abbay of Cowpar . . . to haif grantit set . . . and for maill lattin . . . to our louittis Johne Duncane, Jonat Andro, his spous and to ane thair air maill . . . all and haill ane saxt part of our town and landis of Prtlocry . . . for all the dais . . . of thairis lyftymmes [the rent the same as in preceeding letter and conditions and date as before] (ix day of Marche ane thowsand five hundreth fifty and sewin zeris)

Disputed Children

The children listed for this individual are speculative and may not be based on sound genealogical research. Further research and Sources to prove or disprove descendants/ancestry are needed.

Speculation
All are Unproven Children for John Duncan/Jonat Andro Most likely their children would be born Petlocey, Cupar; possibly Fife (vs Perth, Perthshire; Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. No proven connections to Virginia or South Carolina Duncan's

Births Estimated between 1551 to 1575

Petrus Duncan 1559 - m. Unknown (aka Peter) No proven connections to Virginia or South Carolina Duncan's
Mareen (Marion) Duncan 1563 m. John Couper
James Duncan 1567 – m. Unknown No proven connections to Virginia or South Carolina Duncan's
Two Finlay Duncan's (aka Duncane)

  • Finlay I b. 1525-1536 m. Margaret Kinloch (probable brother vs child)
  • Finlay Duncan II b. 1568 – m. Unknown (probable son of Finlay I)

Thomas Dunkin 1569 - m. Bridget Tilney (No proven connections to Virginia or South Carolina Duncan's)
Andrew Duncan 1575 – m. Unknown[3]No proven connections to Virginia or South Carolina Duncan's

William b. 1575; m.1595 Unk -

Speculation

  • (John/Andro Births Estimated between 1551 to 1575
    • (Fasti Text - birth Rev. William (b. 1613 d.1697-- Son of Son?
    • William m. Haldane - birth matches to Fasti Text (Possible 2X marriage Margaret Forbes)

Timeline Notes

1561 -- Queeen Mary paid a visit to Dundee in Dec. 1561, and on April 15, 1567, by a charter under the great seal gave to the town of Dundee all the lands formerly belonging to the Black and Grey Friars, for the purpose of preservation of the hospitals in Dundee. Johyn Duncan signed grants of these lands to the masters of the hospital or almshouse in 1569.

1572 -- John had inherited from his father William Duncan certain lands in Mekilwood, Ayrshire, and having taken active part in the bloody contest between the noble families of Gordon and Forbes, he, after the battle of Crabstane, in 1572, (which decided the feud in favor of the Gordons) fled from Dundee. Next summer, when Sir Adam Gordon of Auchindon, advanced towards Dundee, settling on the old estate at Mekilwood, where he died sometime after 1590.

1569 -- Dundee was the most important place in Angus, We find John as one of the prominent men of the place, and a member of the council of the craft: "We, ye Provost, Ballies, Councal, Dekins of Craftis and Cominaltie of ye Bur't of Dundee...disponis, perpetuallie to the Master of Maisterisw of ye Hospital or Almshous of yis Bur't ...all...places, yardis, creftis, and akeris of land, with alland sundry yair pertinents, quhilkis pertenit to ye said gray freris, black freris, gray creris, gray sisteris, and now to us be ressone of the disposition, yair of foresaid to be haldone of our Soverrane Lord...9 Jan 1569. John Duncan, and others."

Sources

  1. Alternate Duncan List By Jason Saucerman May 02, 2002]
  2. 2.0 2.1 Rental Book of the Cistercian Abbey of Cupar-Angus: Facsimile of charter of Alexander II. to the monastery of Cupar. Introduction. Register of tacks (1539-1559) Rental of the monastery of St. Marie of Cupar, of the year 1542. Appendices: I. The chamberlain's account of the thirds of the abbey of Cupar in 1563. II. Charters, from originals in General register house. III. Charters, from the Brockie ms. preserved in the library of the Catholic college of Blairs. IV. Charters, from originals in the charter room, Cortachy castle. V. Notes of inventory in possession of E. A. Stuart-Gray, esq. of Gray and Kinfauns. by Charles Rogers Grampian club, 1880 - Landlord and tenant Other references of rent for Duncane: p. 148 Robert Robertson - spouse Jonat Duncane p. 163 Patrik Duncane - Spouse Margaret Downy p. 229 Robe Duncane p. 258 Johnne Duncane p. 258 Pate Duncane - Margaret Downy p. 265 Robert Robertson - spouse Jonat Duncane
  3. p. 221 Andro Duncane xxv day of November xliif Componyt with Andro Duncane for ane auchtane pairt of Arthurstane quhilk Johane Hill brukyt afore for . . . v zeris to himself and Gelis Hill, his spous . . . Composition iiiJ(lib) viij(s) xj(d)

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Acknowledgements

  • Thank you for creating WikiTree profile:

Angie (Gilliam) Johnson

  • Jim Berry profile Duncan-3744 through the import of Thos_Berry_1776_anc.ged on Dec 19, 2013. User ID: 6A8B0B3030CD4C91AF1B6901F041DBE22CBA
  • D C profile Duncan-3198 through the import of Crumpgedcom.ged on May 29, 2013; ID 51845ADC80BA517F2001E681D57A0EF0
  • Charles Garner. profile Duncan-1184 created through the import of Garner_2011-05-09.ged on Aug 3, 2011 by
  • WikiTree profile created on 10 March 2011 through the import of Smith-Hunter.ged.
  • Terry Duncan profile Duncan-3324 through the import of J Duncan.ged on Jul 13, 2013.




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Duncan-19763 and Duncan-1184 appear to represent the same person because: Please approve Duplicate - info at Duncan 1184 is correct

John Duncan 1530 - 1630 m Jonet/Janet Andro

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