Elizabeth (Duncan) Southern (1791 - 1873)

Born 20 Jan 1791 in Virginia

Ancestors

Wife of John Southern — married about 1805 in Stokes County, NC

Descendants

Died 22 Jan 1873 at age 82 in Cedar County, Iowa

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Discrepancy

Controversy - Co-Mingled Records; Source to Source Discrepancies Edwards-7481 05:31, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

• Elizabeth Lett vs Elizabeth (Duncan) Southern (b.1791) (daughter of Charles Duncan and Peggy Kirk) Married John Southern and Abraham Lett
• vs Elizabeth Southern (b 1820) (daughter of John Southern and Elizabeth Duncan) Married Floyd Duncan and Michael N. Miller

Elizabeth Lett was Charles' daughter (alive in 1870) (Pension App & Census) and the Widow (of Thomas) Elizabeth Southern m. Abraham Lett (Tipton Co IA Records)

Elizabeth Southern (b. 1820 was Daughter-in-law of Charles and m. Floyd Duncan (son of Charles Duncan and Peggy Kirk) -- (She was dau of John Southern and Elizabeth Duncan)

Speculation - It would appear from records that Floyd Duncan married his niece; although there were other contemporary Elizabeth (Southern's) in same area/same timeframe.

(See expanded notes at Floyd Duncan and Charles Duncan m. Kirk

Biography

Elizabeth Duncan daughter of Charles Duncan and Margaret Kirk^[1]

Birth

Birth Jan 20th 1791 Virginia ^[2]

Estimated Location most likely Wolf Creek, Giles County); (Unspecified in Bible, but Generally accepted that Charles' children born Wolf Creek, Giles Co)

New River Settlement - "Giles Co. VA History - Families" ". . .came in the year of 1782 . . . . a little later came Charles Duncan. . . . ; "(Faquier Fauquier Co. VA Marriage Bonds, typed, Vol.I (FHL film 31,633; from index on FHL film 31,632 Marriage Bond Charles Duncan to Peggy Kirk, 27 May 1786, bond Charles Duncan and John Stewart, pg.188; Less likely to be Culpeper or Tazewell Bible record of Charles and Margaret named Elizabeth Duncan (b. Jan. 20, 1791) confirmed by Bible records of John Southern and Elizabeth

vs imports - disproven

Birth: Date: 20 JAN 1786 Place: Ireland (Place of birth: Ireland per Jaq McMahon (jacnamc@netdex.com)

Birth: Date: 20 JAN 1791 Place: Tazewell, Virginia, United States Source: #S287 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Charles William Southern

• Other information as contained in the death record of Charles W Southern (1829-1921 (disputes imported information referenced - interesting to note that spouse also reflects a Elizabeth Southern) from Illinois Stillbirths 1916-1947," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N32W-6F8 : 8 March 2018), Elizabeth Duncan in entry for Charles W Southern, 07 Dec 1921; Public Board of Health, Archives, Springfield; FHL microfilm 1,570,828.

Name: Charles W Southern Event Date: 07 Dec 1921 Event Place: Viola, Greene, Mercer, Illinois Gender: Male Race: white Age: 92 Birth Year (Estimated): 1829 Birth Date: 08 Apr 1829 Birthplace: Giles Co, Virginia Father's Name: John Southern Father's Birthplace: Virginia Mother's Name: Elizabeth Duncan Mother's Birthplace: Virginia Occupation: farmer Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Southern Burial Date: 10 Dec 1921 Place: Mercer Co Cemetery: Carnahan Cemetery

Marriage

Married. 1st John Southern About 1804-1805 in Giles Co., Virginia

(son of William Southern and Magdalen Ford) identified as a son of William in William's 1794 will and deed Stokes County Deeds, Book 2, page 112. ^[3]

Birth August 25, 1774 (or 1776) Stokes Co., N. Carolina^[2]

Death Death: 1840 (Tipton) Cedar County Iowa, ^[4]

. Married. 2nd Abraham Lett (1788-1865) Jan 20, 1842 Tipton Cedar Co IA^[5]

(son of Unknown) born about 1788 Virginia; migrated about 1841 to Tipton from Richland Co Ohio

1842 Census - History of Cedar indicates Abraham Lett and five children, Mrs. Abraham Lett and five children (Abraham Lett’s first wife (Elizabeth Barnhart) died Oct. 9, 1841, being the first death occurring in Tipton, and he married the widow Southern on the 20th of January, 1842.)^[4][6]

Cedar IA Genweb indicates

Free African-Americans: One of a relatively small number of African-Americans who were not slaves. They may have been granted their freedom from their owners, bought their freedom, or by a grant of freedom from the state of residence.

Lett, Abraham Mixed race    Tipton^[4]

Lett, John Mixed race    Tipton^[4]

CEDAR COUNTY, IOWA NEWSPAPER NOTICES

Information extracted from newspaper "THE TIPTON ADVERTISER", Tipton, Iowa; Submitted by T.L. Winekauf, April 18, 2013; Death Notices August 1860, January 21, 1864 to February 1868

Lett    Abraham    22 Aug 1865    75 Years    Unknown Cause of Death    Tipton, Cedar County, IA

Death

Death Estimate Jan. 22, 1873 Cedar County, Iowa^[7][8] vs 1878 Cemetary Record vs 9th of October, 1891 (McClure Bio^[6] )

and WPA https://iowawpagraves.org/index.php?last=LETT&cid=16&lc=4 Cemetary Records (Masonic Cemetery) Cedar County, Iowa

Lett    Abraham    1788    1865    Father

Lett    Elizabeth S    1791    1878    Mother

vs imports - disproven

Date: 22 JAN 1873 :: Place: Cedar County, Iowa

Death: Date: 22 JAN 1873 Place: Cedar, Iowa, United States Source: #S287 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Charles William Southern

Census

1850 Household Role Sex Age (Birthplace discrepancy)^[6]

Abraham Lett        M  64    Virginia (1786)

Elizabeth Lett        F    61    North Carolina (1789)

Margt A Lett          F    16    Ohio (1834)

Ellen Lett                F    14    Ohio (1836) (m. Smith and McClure)^[9]

Alvin Lett               M    13    Ohio (1837)

John Lett                M    11    Ohio (1839) (m. Caroline Draucker 23 Nov 1865

(5th child presumed to be Elizabeth Lett m. John S Tuthill, Deputy Recorder and Justice of the Peace Tipton; born in the city of New York, July 22, 1814 (Married Elizabeth Lett, from Ohio, in 1843^[5]; they have two children—Carrie and John S.; have lost three—two sons and one daught) http://iagenweb.org/cedar/1878history/bio-centertwp.htm

1860 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Abraham Lett M 70 Virginia Elizabeth Lett F 68 Virginia Alvin Lett M 21 Ohio John Lett M 20 Ohio Ellen Smith F 23 Ohio Robert Smith M 4 Iowa Frank Smith M 26 New York ^[10]

1870 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Elizabeth Lett Female 79 Virginia Alvin Lett Male 31 Ohio Ellen Smith Female 33 Ohio Robert Smith Male 14 Iowa John Mcclyde Male 47 Pennsylvania^[11]

Sources

^{[2] [3] [8] [4]}

1. ↑ RW Pension Application of Charles Duncan W22973 Margaret (Peggy) Duncan VA Transcribed and annotated by C. Leon Harris. Revised 28 Nov 2013. Mercer Co Ill Buford Duncan Affidavit; In addition to the copy of the family record referred to by Buford Duncan, the file includes an original record certified on 23 March 1840 by Braxton Duncan of Mercer County IL (child of Charles and Peggy as Elizabeth Duncan was born Jan 20th 1791
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1 2.2} Transcribed Bible Record indicates John Southern (b. August 25, 1774 (or 1776) m. Elizabeth Duncan (b. Jan. 20, 1791) transcribed by Southern Family Researchers; The Southern Family in North Carolina
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1} The Southern Family in North Carolina
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4} 1842 Census and History of Cedar
   Transcribed copy of the census of Tipton, taken by Edward M MacGraw, March, 1842, there then being thirty voters and ninety-four souls
   Cedar Co Iowa GENWEB Links (no reference to John Southern)
   [http://iagenweb.org/cedar/1910history/section1.htm A TOPICAL HISTORY of CEDAR COUNTY, IOWA] 1910; Clarence Ray Aurner, S. J. Clarke Publishing Co.
   Underground Railway
5. ↑ ^{5.0 5.1} CEDAR COUNTY, IOWA 1841 - 1850 MARRIAGES Compiled by Debbie Clough Gerischer, Iowa History
6. ↑ ^{6.0 6.1 6.2} http://iagenweb.org/cedar/marriage/1865mar.htm) "United States Census, 1850," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ48-DCS : 12 April 2016), Abraham Lett, Center, Cedar, Iowa, United States; citing family 463, NARA microfilm publication M432 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).
7. ↑ Note included with the record: "Mother died Jan. 22, 1873." This apparently refers to Elizabeth Duncan Southern, died at age 82.
8. ↑ ^{8.0 8.1} "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV27-7SSF : 11 July 2016), Elizabeth Duncan Southern Lett, 1873; Burial, Tipton, Cedar, Iowa, United States of America, Masonic Cemetery; citing record ID 60338371, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.
9. ↑ Cedar County Iowa 1910 Topical History, Towns and Townships; Bio of John McClure indicates stepmother of Mrs. McClure passed away on the 9th of October, 1891
10. ↑ "United States Census, 1860", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M82X-5P3 : 13 December 2017), Elizabeth Lett in entry for Abraham Lett, 1860.
11. ↑ "United States Census, 1870," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MDJL-BHT : 12 April 2016), Elizabeth Lett, Iowa, United States; citing p. 3, family 27, NARA microfilm publication M593 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.); FHL microfilm 545,879.

See Also

• Cedar County, Iowa Record Transcriptions USGENWEB (Letts; Southern; Duncan) (Note Iowa Vitals on internet start at Vital Records: 1880 – 1920)

FHC Records (No Images - Index Only) "Iowa Marriages, 1809-1992," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XJLX-NYM : 10 February 2018), Abraham Lett and Elizabeth Southern, 20 Jan 1842; citing Cedar Co., Iowa, reference 2:3RBNLHN; FHL microfilm 986,805

Mary Ann Duncan Dobson "Duncan Research Files"(Consolidated, sourced and acknowledged); and the many Duncan Researchers that have provided information.
The Genealogy Bug

• Research Books by Nancy Reba Roy]
  • Duncan family marriages, mostly before 1850 with other information Author: Nancy Reba Roy; Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1983.

• Charles Duncan m. Peggy Kirk] Profile Notes and RW Pension App and Affidavits W-22973
• Mercer County Internet Archives "Historical encyclopedia of Illinois and history of Mercer Co." by William A. Marsh; ed. by Newton Bateman & Paul Selby, Mercer Co. Hist. ed. by Wm. A. Lorimer; pub. Chicago: Munsell Pub. Co., 1903, 860 pgs. (LH5463, HeritageQuest images 4/2007; FHL fiche 6,078,640)
• (Most likely son of Elizabeth Duncan and brother of Elizabeth m. Floyd Duncan) Bio of Charles Southern (son of John and Elizabeth Duncan) Pg.742-743: CHARLES W. SOUTHERN, farmer, Green Township, Mercer County, was born in Giles County, Va., April 8, 1829

Charles Southern "Illinois Deaths and Stillbirths, 1916-1947," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N32W-6F8 : 8 March 2018), Elizabeth Duncan in entry for Charles W Southern, 07 Dec 1921; Public Board of Health, Archives, Springfield; FHL microfilm 1,570,828.

Extensive Research 16 Sources (FHC Pedigree Resource File) Elizabeth Duncan 20 January 1791 – 21 January 1873 • L6K1-6LM

Acknowledgement

• WikiTree profile Duncan-1296 created through the import of O'Bryan Family tree.ged on Sep 6, 2011 by Tim Tropeck.
• WikiTree profile Ducan-1 created through the import of O'Bryan Family tree.ged on Sep 6, 2011 by Tim Tropeck.
• Source: S287 Author: Ancestry.com Title: Public Member Trees Publication: Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006;
• Duncan-8887 was created by Nicole Lynch through the import of 435da9_211730du5b7q955b74a82a.ged on Feb 8, 2017