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Merge note -- unproven Mother Unknown Duncan (Mearns-291)
b. 1745 d. == mother is known documented as Eleanore (Sharp-1176)
Several Name and spelling Variations - Duncan, Dunkin Dunncan and Dunnan
Contemporary / Co-Mingled information - Two John's m. Two Mary's (both resided Caldwell KY)
John Thomas (Dunkin of VA) m Mary Laughlin
John (aka of South Carolina) m Mary; presumed son of John or William; Mary m 2nd Obediah Rich [1]John Duncan probably arrived in Caldwell Co, KY about 1810 from SC. In 1812 John was a charter member and helped form the New Bethel Baptist Church in Caldwell Co. This part of Caldwell Co became part of Lyon Co in 1854. [2]
Birth Estimate [4] 25 February 1765 Washington County VA
Marriage
Marriage Estimate 1780-1785 in Washington County VA Mary "Polly" Laughlin (presumed daughter of James H. Laughlin and Mary Price); Estimated Age 20-21 [5][6]
Death
Death Estimate Before 4 Sep 1832 - Will Date 8 April 1832; Probate Record May 1832; Whitley, Kentucky [7]
Briar Creek_Cemetery,_Williamsburg,_Kentucky (died of unknown causes)[4]
Presumed (Unproven) Children b 1785 - Not named in Probate
'Duncan-6070 |John Duncan , 1785 SC-1849 NC]]'
m 1st Rachel Bivings Duncan 1788–1828; : m 2nd Rebeckah Jimmerson Duncan 1806–1850; : Death 13 Mar 1849 (aged 63–64) McDowell County, North Carolina; : BURIAL Duncan Family Cemetery; Marion, McDowell County, North Carolina, USA
1-43: 8 April 1832, will of John Duncan; all to wife Mary Duncan during her life and after her decease to be equally divided amongst all my children. Exors Harry B. Duncan and Joseph Duncan. Wit. Isaac King, Wm. C. Hale, LaFayette Berry. Prob. May, 1832.
H-333: 25 March 1841, Mary Dunkin, widow, and Harvey B. Dunkin, Joseph Dunkin, Dixon S. Dunkin, Elijah Gerton & Sally his wife late Sally Dunkin, Joseph Sullivan & Narcissa his wife late Narcissa Dunkin, Joseph Laughlin & Jane his wife late Jane Dunkin, A.G. Dunkin & Eleanor C. his wife late Eleanor C. Dunkin, Samuel H. Porter & his wife Mary late Mary Dunkin, heirs of John Dunkin decd, appoint Thomas H.P. Dunkin of Whitley Co. KY our true & lawful attorney to sell one certain tract or parcel of land in the State of IN, being the W 1/2 SW 1/4 Sec.30 T5N R1W, containing 90.27 acres. Certification by Whitley Co. KY County Clerk and Justices of the Peace. Rec. Lawrence Co. IN 7 April 1841. (FHL film 1,317,714)
H-334: 7 April 1841; Whereas on 25 March 1841, Mary Dunkin, widow, and Harvey B. Dunkin, Joseph Dunkin, Dickson S. Dunkin, Elijah Gerton & Sally his wife late Sally Dunkin, Joseph Sullivan & Narcissa his wife late Narcissa Dunkin, Joseph Laughlin & Jane his wife late Jane Dunkin, A.G. Dunkin & Eleanor C. his wife late Eleanor C. Dunkin, Samuel H. Porter & Mary his wife late Mary Dunkin, heirs of John Dunkin decd. late of Whitley Co. KY, appointed Thomas H.P. Dunkin of Whitley Co. KY their attorney to sell one certain tract or parcel of land in the State of IN, being the W 1/2 SW 1/4 Sec.30 T5N R1W, containing 90.27 acres; I as attorney for the heirs and also I the said Thomas H.P. Dunkin son and one of the legal heirs of the said John Dunkin sell to William Kerns of Lawrence Co. IN, for $320, the W 1/2 SW 1/4 Sec.30 T5 R1W, 90.27 acres. Signed T.H.P. Dunkin. Wit. R.W. Thompson. Rec. Lawrence Co. IN 7 April 1841 on oath of T.H.P. Dunkin. (FHL film 1,317,714)
↑ Email Notes MAD and Jerri Thorpe -- Spartanburg, SC, and both Lyons and Caldwell Counties in KY. ; there is a William Dunncan and a John Dunnan listed in the 1790 census for Spartanburg Co. In the 1800 census; there is a John Dunkin on the S. Fork Tyger River on page 182 near a William Dunkin; on page 183; there is a John Dunkin on the N. Pacolet ; and on page 184 a John Dunkin. This last John Dunkin matches Caldwell Co KY John Duncan as far as family structure (2 sons under 10, 1 dau under 10). Even though John Duncan was then about 35 years old, there is no indication of older children in this household.
↑ "Kentucky, County Marriages, 1797-1954," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKJS-KVV8 : 17 May 2018), John Duncan in entry for Samuel Porter and Mary Duncan, 5 Jan 1829; citing Marriage, Whitley, Kentucky, United States, various county clerks and county courts, Kentucky; FHL microfilm 532,640.
↑ Daughters of the American Revolution, DAR Genealogical Research Databases, database online, (http://www.dar.org/ : accessed 30 August 2022), "Record of John Duncan Sr", Ancestor # A034922.
See Also
Mary Ann Duncan Dobson "Duncan Research Files" (Consolidated, sourced and acknowledged); and the many Duncan Researchers that have provided information. The Genealogy Bug
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Beca (46875903), maintained by Find A Grave (8), “John Thomas Duncan, Jr,” Findagrave.com. Record added 8 Feb 2007. URL:
"Our Heritage" Vol. VI, July 1991-April 1992, by Corbin Gen. Society, Corbin, Whitley Co. KY (copy of pages from Bonnie J. Sell, 2/20/95; typed by Rebecca Myers 5/95)
Ref #146 "Account of Our Ancestors on Trip to Canada as War Prisoners" by Mrs. Adelaide Berry Duncan, Written to her youngest son, George Duncan, September 11, 1893. --
Terry Duncan imported the data for John Duncan Jr from J Duncan.ged on 14 Apr 2013.
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Duncan-1012 and Dunkin-494 do not represent the same person because: These two profiles do not represent the same person. Duncan -494 represents Son of John Thomas (Duncan) Dunkin and Eleanor Sharp m Mary Laughlin Duncan-1012 is not a spouse of Mary Laughlin and the Erroneous spouse has been disconnected (Mary Laughlin-521). This John (1660- abt. 1780) is most likely (unproven) from the William/Ruth Rawley Family as a close relative.
Duncan-7853 and Dunkin-494 appear to represent the same person because: Please approve - duplicate profile (See pre-merge note at (son) Duncan-2342)
Mother Mary, the widow of John Duncan Sr. married Obediah Ritch in 1844 [1] , and she is living with son Elihu in the 1850 census as Mary Ritch, age 80, and blind.
Mary LNAB s/b Mary Laughlin merge Unknown-327254 -- into Laughlin-521 (info at Laughlin-521 is correct)
Additional merge for
Father John Thomas Jr (son of John Thomas/Eleanor Sharp) Dunkin-494 and Duncan-7853 are same (aka Dunkin used by this family until abt 1800's) (info at Dunkin-494 is correct)
Thank you for maintaining 1 profile per person
I believe you have merged two John Duncan profiles who were 2 separate men. Duncan-7853 was from Spartanburg, SC, and ended up in Caldwell Co, KY....not Whitley Co, KY. He died in Caldwell Co sometime just before 6 Feb 1841. Two deeds recorded there, one on 6 Feb 1841 lists his wife Mary as widow and admin, and one on 20 Oct 1852 that does not list his wife. Both list all of the Caldwell Co John Duncan's heirs and none of the names match the children's names listed above at the beginning of this profile's biography. One of the names listed is Doctor W. Duncan, who is noted in the above biography as NOT being listed in this Whitley Co John Duncan's probate. These two John Duncan's need to be separated back into their original profiles.
Jerri, thank you for your note. I dug a little deeper in Caldwell and Lyons and looks like you may be correct there appears to be two John's m two Mary's. As merge cannot be undone at this point; I suggest the following:
(1st) Reorganize, cleanup and delete dups from Dunkin-494 to correspond to the son of John Thomas (Duncan) Dunkin and Eleanor (Sharp); keep children per Estate record. It is reported 10 children from this marriage - But only 8 identified in WikiTree at this point in time.
(2nd) Children Not On Estate record of Dunkin-494) be moved to the Mother Profile - Mary Laughlin-521
(New husband "John J Duncan - A History of Baptists In Kentucky; Author: Masters, Frank M. - name per Baptist records (info for John J looks to be estimates - No Sources - Birth 1765; Marr 1785; Death 1840-1841 Caldwell Co.) Need/verify - Sources and Marriages for each
children (12 - identified)
William Duncan: Birth: Abt 1796 in SC.
Anna Duncan: Birth: Abt 1798 in SC.
Elihu C. Duncan: Birth: Abt 1799 in SC. Death: Jun 1860 in Lyon Co, KY
John Duncan: Birth: Abt 1802 in SC.
Owens Duncan: Birth: Abt 1803 in SC.
Doctor Woodard Duncan: Birth: 12 Oct 1806 in SC. Death: 1 May 1886 in Lyon Co, KY
Pamelia Duncan: Birth: Abt 1808 in SC.
Mary Duncan: Birth: Abt 1814 in Caldwell Co, KY.
Harbard B. Duncan: Birth: Abt 1815-1819 in Caldwell Co, KY. Death: 1856 in Van Buren Co, AR
Williford Newberry Duncan: Birth: Abt 1817 in Caldwell Co, KY.
Riller Permetta Duncan: Birth: Abt 1818 in Caldwell Co, KY.
Chittenden L. Duncan: Birth: Abt 1820 in KY. Death: Aft 1880
Thanks, Sandy, for replying. That old message board post is mine (JKTMC). Back over 20 years ago, I corresponded with another genealogist who had talked to the (then) Lyon Co, KY, historian, Odell Walker...author of the book "Profiles of the Past." He said there were at least two different Duncan families in Caldwell Co...one from Virginia and one from South Carolina. Mr. Walker was a descendant of Doctor Woodard Duncan, and he said that Doctor always claimed he was from Spartanburg, NC. However, there are indications that they family may have been from neighboring Greenville Co. I also corresponded back then with Mary Ann Dobson, and I have a copy of her compiled notes for Spartanburg, SC, and both Lyons and Caldwell Counties in KY. You may have noted that there is a William Dunncan and a John Dunnan listed in the 1790 census for Spartanburg Co. In the 1800 census there is a John Dunkin on the S. Fork Tyger river on page 182 near a William Dunkin; on page 183 there is a John Dunkin on the N. Pacolet ; and on page 184 another John Dunkin. This last John Dunkin matches my Caldwell Co KY John Duncan as far as family structure (2 sons under 10, 1 dau under 10). Even though John Duncan was then about 35 years old, there is no indication of older children in this household.
Based on all this, I am going to reconstruct my John Duncan and wife Mary, and separate these families back apart. Thanks for your help.
Thanks for the info Jerri, it helps a lot. I will go forward with cleanup tasks on the Dunkin-494 side to try and get these solidified. I am going to add you as a manager here so that you can monitor any changes that might go thru via your feeds. Feel free to copy any info/sources that you need to the New Duncan-16136 line.
Duncan-2925 and Dunkin-494 appear to represent the same person because: same given names, same birth and death info. Please merge Dunkin into Duncan as that seems to be the spelling msot used.
Mother Mary, the widow of John Duncan Sr. married Obediah Ritch in 1844 [1] , and she is living with son Elihu in the 1850 census as Mary Ritch, age 80, and blind. Mary LNAB s/b Mary Laughlin merge Unknown-327254 -- into Laughlin-521 (info at Laughlin-521 is correct) Additional merge for Father John Thomas Jr (son of John Thomas/Eleanor Sharp) Dunkin-494 and Duncan-7853 are same (aka Dunkin used by this family until abt 1800's) (info at Dunkin-494 is correct) Thank you for maintaining 1 profile per person
(1st) Reorganize, cleanup and delete dups from Dunkin-494 to correspond to the son of John Thomas (Duncan) Dunkin and Eleanor (Sharp); keep children per Estate record. It is reported 10 children from this marriage - But only 8 identified in WikiTree at this point in time.
(2nd) Children Not On Estate record of Dunkin-494) be moved to the Mother Profile - Mary Laughlin-521 (New husband "John J Duncan - A History of Baptists In Kentucky; Author: Masters, Frank M. - name per Baptist records (info for John J looks to be estimates - No Sources - Birth 1765; Marr 1785; Death 1840-1841 Caldwell Co.) Need/verify - Sources and Marriages for each children (12 - identified) William Duncan: Birth: Abt 1796 in SC. Anna Duncan: Birth: Abt 1798 in SC. Elihu C. Duncan: Birth: Abt 1799 in SC. Death: Jun 1860 in Lyon Co, KY John Duncan: Birth: Abt 1802 in SC. Owens Duncan: Birth: Abt 1803 in SC. Doctor Woodard Duncan: Birth: 12 Oct 1806 in SC. Death: 1 May 1886 in Lyon Co, KY Pamelia Duncan: Birth: Abt 1808 in SC. Mary Duncan: Birth: Abt 1814 in Caldwell Co, KY. Harbard B. Duncan: Birth: Abt 1815-1819 in Caldwell Co, KY. Death: 1856 in Van Buren Co, AR Williford Newberry Duncan: Birth: Abt 1817 in Caldwell Co, KY. Riller Permetta Duncan: Birth: Abt 1818 in Caldwell Co, KY. Chittenden L. Duncan: Birth: Abt 1820 in KY. Death: Aft 1880
(old 2015 Unsourced message Board - https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.duncan/157.580.1.1.1)
Based on all this, I am going to reconstruct my John Duncan and wife Mary, and separate these families back apart. Thanks for your help.
edited by Jerri (Thorpe) McCoy
Regards, Sandy