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Reginald (Dunstanville) de Dunstanville (abt. 1110 - 1175)

Reginald (Reynald) "1st Earl of Cornwall" de Dunstanville formerly Dunstanville
Born about in Dunstanville, Kent, Englandmap
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Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 65 in Chertsey, Surrey, Englandmap
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Biography

Reginald fitz Roy, earl of Cornwall (d. 1175) was the illegitimate son of Henry I and Sibylla, apparently sometimes known as Lucia or Adela, daughter of Robert Corbet, who later married to Herbert fitz Herbert.[1]

Reginald was only once called Rainaldus de Dunstanivilla, by the history writer Orderic Vitalis in 1137, and never in his own charters. Reginald later numbered members of the Dunstanville family among his intimates, but the nature of the link between him and them is never stated. He is named as son of King Henry by Orderic Vitalis and the Chronicle of Gervase names "fratre suo Reginaldo comite Cornubiæ" as one of the main supporters of Matilda. [2][3]

He is therefore a different person than the Reginald de Dunstanville who held considerable lands in Wiltshire, was older, and had different lands and children.

In 1140 a marriage was arranged between Reginald and a daughter of the Cornish baron William fitz Richard, lord of Cardinan, who had defected from Stephen, possibly Beatrice[3]. They had 4 children, his legitimate son, Nicholas, predeceased him, and three legitimate daughters: Mathilda m. Robert (II), count of Meulan (d. c.1210), Lucy, the 2nd wife of Baldwin, earl of Devon, and Sara, who married the viscount of Limoges. Neither daughter divided the earldom, which was eventually granted to his illegitimate son Henry.[2] Note that Medlands has 7 children and two illegitimate sons.[3]

The DNB guesses his most probably date of death was 1 July 1175 at Reading, although other sources have a Dec. death. Probably died at Chertsey, Surrey and buried at Reading Abbey. [2][3]

He was a witness to the compromise between Stephen and Henry, 1153. Sheriff of Devon, 1173-75. He was in command, ex parte Regis, Oct 1173, against the rebellious Barons.

He died without legitimate male offspring, at Chertsey, Surrey, 1 July 1175. His Earldom reverted to the Crown.


Sources

  1. Both Complete Peerage, XI, Appendix D, and Eyton, Antiquities of Shropshire vol.7, pp. 145, 148, 149, 157, say that Sibil was known by several names! The fact that Reinald had the same mother as Herbert fitz Herbert's children:
    • Reinald called Alice Corbet, the mother of William de Boterell his "matertera" (strict meaning would be maternal aunt, but such terms could be flexible).
    • Benedict of Peterborough says Herbert fitz Herbert was Rainald's brother, and also indicates that he shared a nepos (a younger blood relative) with both Reinald and his brother William, named Joel of Pomeroy (p.163, p.172, p.173). The shared connection to the Pomeroy family must also be through their mother, via Rohese de Pommery, sister of Reinald, who is believed to have married Henri de Pomery. Complete Peerage vol.11 App. D cites a charter of Rainald Earl of Cornwall which calls “Rohesia de Pomeria” his sister, citing the journal of the Royal Institute of Cornwall, vol. i, pp. 29-32). Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants p.642 also cites Bearman's charters of the Redvers family App. II, no. 15a.
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 David Crouch,‘Reginald, earl of Cornwall (d. 1175)’, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press, 2004; online edn, Oct 2008
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20Kings%201066-1603.htm#RenaudDunstanvilledied1175A

Also see:

  • Visitation of Shropshire Page 133: Corbet.
  • Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing 2000. pp. IV:315-6, XIV:259, III:429 as corrected by XIV:207.
  • Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com. Todd A Farmerie, 19 Aug 1996. Reginald Earl of Cornwall.
  • Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Ed, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr. 1999. pp 262-27, 50-26, 121-26.
  • Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com. Ronny Bodine (RBodine996), 16 Apr 1999.
  • Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com. Douglas Richardson, 25 Jan 1999.
  • Wikipedia: Reginald de Dunstanville, 1st Earl of Cornwall.




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The argument isn't whether he is the illegitimate son of Henry I, that is a definite.

The argument is whether the Rainald de Dunstanville mentioned in the pipe roll of 1130 is the same person or a member of a different but possibly related family. That is already mentioned in the biography.

posted by John Atkinson
For the argument that he is not the illegimate son of Henry I see: http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/henryisillegitimate.shtml

"Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 11: Henry I's Illegitimate Children" HENRY I'S ILLEGITIMATE CHILDREN Volume 11, Appendix D, page 108: RAINALD DE DUNSTANVILLE ... held land in Wiltshire in 1130. Note: Pipe Roll, 31 Hen. I, p.22.

posted by Dan Norum
That's a misinterpretation of that webspage. Chris still thinks this bastard son exists, and there is really no disputing that. The question is only which records attach to him.
posted by Andrew Lancaster
:1. Walter is the son of Winnie Henderson Pack [confident]
2. Winnie is the son of Margaret Elizabeth (Dunbar) Pack [confident]
3. Margaret is the daughter of William Henderson Dunbar [confident]
4. William is the son of Nancy K. (Mann) Dunbar [confident]
5. Nancy is the daughter of Hezekiah Mann [confident]
6. Hezekiah is the son of Rhoda S. (Stodghill) Mann [confident]
7. Rhoda is the daughter of Joel Stodghill [confident]
8. Joel is the son of John Stodghill [confident]
9. John is the son of Ann Williams (Blackstone) Stodghill [confident]
10. Ann is the daughter of Argyle Blackstone [confident]
11. Argyle is the son of Millicent (Hawkins) Blackstone [confident]
12. Millicent is the daughter of William Amadas Hawkins Jr. [confident]
13. William is the son of William Amadas Hawkins [confident]
14. William is the son of Joan Towne (Trelawney) Hawkins [confident]
15. Joan is the daughter of William Trelawney [confident]
16. William is the son of Florence Courtenay [unknown confidence]
17. Florence is the daughter of Hugh Courtenay [unknown confidence]
18. Hugh is the son of Hugh Courtenay [confident]
19. Hugh is the son of Edward (Courtenay) de Courtenay [confident]
20. Edward is the son of Hugh (Courtenay) de Courtenay KG [unknown confidence]
21. Hugh is the son of Hugh (Courtenay) de Courtenay [confident]
22. Hugh is the son of Hugh (Courtenay) de Courtenay [confident]
23. Hugh is the son of John (Courtenay) de Courtenay [confident]
24. John is the son of Mary (Vernon) de Courtenay [unknown confidence]
25. Mary is the daughter of Mabile (Meulan) de Vernon [unknown confidence]
26. Mabile is the daughter of Maude (Dunstanville) de Beaumont [unknown confidence]
27. Maud is the daughter of Reginald (Dunstanville) de Dunstanville [unknown confidence]
This makes Reginald the 25th great grandfather of Walter. Pack-530
posted by Andrea (Stawski) Pack
Each of Rainald's two brothers born in 1110 (Henry, Willaim) are listed as having Sibylla as mother. Were they triplets? Henry is listed as half-brother, though he appears to have the same parents.
posted by Steve Selbrede
Rainald's mother, Sibylla, is not listed as a wife of Henry. He has two brothers born in the same year as he was born (1110).
posted by Steve Selbrede
posted on De Dunstanville-44 (merged) by [Living Horace]
Dunstanville-20 and De Dunstanville-43 appear to represent the same person because: Clear Duplicate

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL1.htm#RenaudDunstanvilledied1175

posted by Shelley Freestone

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