Jacob Dye (abt. 1726 - abt. 1786)

Dye-335 and Dye-60 do not represent the same person because: Different name, nothing in common

As an aside - it is extremely unlikely that Jacob's wife was Mary Randolph. The Randolph family did not move to the adjoining land in North Carolina until 1778. Further, before 1762, the Dye family was not near North Carolina, so the two families would be very unlikely to meet. It seems from the 1748 sale of land mentioned below that wife Mary dates from before that time, and likely lived in Orange County or Augusta before marriage.

If the report that the daughter of William Dye (b. abt 1747, d. 1833), Tabitha Dye was descended from a Virginia family of German descent (see bio of Dr. George White below) carries any weight, then it may be of interest that there are further details that relate to such a picture. There is a court martial held in Augusta county dated 15 Sept 1742 which mentions among others, 2 AWOL - Jacob Dye and Abraham Dye - both later reinstated:

https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Virginia_s_Colonial_Soldiers/0RpcjJQBm6AC?hl=en&gbpv=1 This ties in with the Orange County court cases involving Jacob Dye. One of those cases - dated Sep 1746 - was for an unpaid debt incurred 30th Oct 1734 in New York: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hn4xqt&view=1up&seq=298&skin=2021

This would have been when Jacob was a young man, since he would have to have been 21+ when he incurred the debt. The debt may have been the inspiration for the move to Virginia. From that and the military record, it may be possible to discover a family of Dye's in New York with sons Jacob and Abraham. There are other Dye family members who moved to Virginia, but somewhat later and those were living in New Jersey and moved to Virginia some 20 years later.

Abraham also bought land in Virginia: Survey book, v. 1 1751-1901 (Has record of surveys done ca. 1746-1747 when Halifax County was part of Lunenburg County.) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKJ-9SLN-D?i=155&cat=367219 No. 4 Survey'd the 22nd of April 1754 for Abraham Dye 258 acres of Land on both sides of Fall Creek of Horse Pasture and Bounded as follows Viz Beginning at a Red Oak in Randolph's Line thence....

The date of this purchase is after the 1747 land purchase by Jacob, and possibly Abraham was helping Jacob work his land. There is a sale of the 1747 purchase in 1748: The German Element of the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia - Page 70 John W. Wayland · 2009 From the Records of Augusta and Frederick https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=loc.ark:/13960/t2f76mv92&view=1up&seq=88&skin=2021 1748 July 28, 29 Jacob Dye and Mary, his wife (both making their marks) sell to Ephraim Love, late of Lanc. Co., Pa., for 60 pounds 5 Shillings, 377 A "on ye head drafts of Muddy Creek under the North Mountain," adjoining Daniel Harrison. - Witnesses Peter Scholl, William White, William Carrol

Notice that Jacob's wife is named Mary here also, which matches the name of Jacob's wife in her later court paper renouncing her share in the land sold by her sons: Authors: Virginia. County Court (Halifax County) Deed books, v. 14-15 1786-1793 Family History Library United States & Canada 2nd Floor Film 31886 DGS 8151691 Volume 14 page 398; image 212 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKJ-S3SG?i=211&cat=406522 Dated 6 January 1789

My thought about her not mentioning William in that document is that she was living with William (from the census numbers and the known children of William) and also that William had never sold any of the land that he received. A couple of head tax returns also give that William had a brother living with him, further suggesting a family connection to the other Dye children.

There are problems with assigning Arthur Dye as the parent of Jacob. The first is the implication that Arthur's wife had died by 1704/5. The will of Avery Dye's godfather,

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9PF-CS1S-C?i=80&cat=366820 Avery Naylor, specifies that the timing of Avery's inheritance is dependent on the approval of Avery's grandmother. That implies that Avery was living with his grandmother, and his father, Arthur, was not present or not involved in Avery's care. However, Arthur quickly sued for the inheritance: Order books, 1692-1871 Authors: Virginia. County Court (Richmond County) Order books, v. 3-5 1699-1711; Family History Library; United States & Canada 2nd Floor Film 33706 DGS 8191515 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSL6-L9S2-X?i=282&cat=366856 Dated 6th day of Xber 1705 (Oct 6 1705) page 99 Petition of Arthur Dye to collect the legacy left to his son Avery Dye by Avery Naylor in his will; citing Patience Naylor the executor and 30,000 pounds of tobacco

Dated 7th Ffebry 1705 (Feb 7 1706) page 133 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSL6-L9SL-7?i=300&cat=366856 Similar to the last item, but citing the other legacies left to Avery Dye.

That may have been due to Arthur's mother being unwilling to act as Avery's guardian or possibly Avery Naylor's wife not being trustworthy. It was not long before Avery sued to recover his inheritance from his father:

Order books, v. 6-8 1711-1721; Family History Library; United States & Canada 2nd Floor Film 33707; DGS 8191516 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSL6-596T-J?i=21&cat=366856 6 Mar 1711 page 7 Upon the petition of Avery Dye, it is ordered that Arthur Dye father of the said Avery Dye do pay unto him the summe of thirty thousand pounds of Tobbo the same a legacy long given by Avery Naylor decd to the said Avery Dye and now in the hands of Arthur Dye...

A further time later, Avery Dye applies to the court to enter the survey of a plot of land bought jointly by his father and Robert Hopkins: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSL6-GSSD-B?i=298&cat=509751 Survey at the request of Robert Hopkins and Arthur Dye dated Feb 11 1707/8 "At a court continued and hold for Richmond County the fifth day of March 1718 At the motion of Avery Dye this survey made by Mr Edward Bazzow is ordered to be recorded." [Suggests that Avery Dye was the heritor of that property by 1718.]

As indirect confirmation of that idea, Arthur Dye was a regular suitor in court, either for himself or other tobacco wholesalers, to recover outstanding debts owed by various people: Order books, v. 6-8 1711-1721; Family History Library; United States & Canada 2nd Floor Film 33707; DGS 8191516 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSL6-5965-Q?i=39&cat=366856 7th August, 1712 Arthur Dye attourney for James Lockhart vs. William Smith - three entries on this page (page 40) facing page (page 41) Robert Hopkins vs Wm? Wildey, Admin of the estate of John Owens Decd and Arthur Dye: 3 Sept 1712 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSL6-596P-G?i=33&cat=366856 and Arthur Dye vs. Wm Smith further to above: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSL6-596G-H?i=46&cat=366856 Multiple cases against various defendants: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSL6-596G-B?i=9&cat=366856 last 2 entries dated citing 12 Jan 1715 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSL6-596K-Z?i=155&cat=366856 Avery Dye mentioned 6 July 1715 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSL6-596K-P?i=166&cat=366856 page 154 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSL6-5962-6?i=154&cat=366856 page 295 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSL6-596K-P?i=166&cat=366856 [Arthur Dye last appears on 9 Mar 1715.] page 420 dated 9 Mar 1715

The lack of later court cases suggests that Arthur may have died after that time.

Potential early land purchase by Jacob Dye:

Patents, 1623-1774, 42 vols. ; index, land patents, [to] volumes 1-42 Authors: Virginia. Secretary of the Colony (Main Author) https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/584564?availability=Family%20History%20Library Patents, v. 26, 1747-1748; Family History Library; United States & Canada 2nd Floor Film 29342 DGS 8570213 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C37Q-GSRT-Q?i=33&cat=584564 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C37Q-GSR8-X?i=34&cat=584564 Lease of land held in free and common socage from [Col. William Beverley] of East Greenwich, Kent for a consideration of 40 shillings, a tract of land comprising 377 acres in the County of Augusta at the head draughts of Muddy Creek for a rent of 1 shilling for each 50 acres paid on the feast of St. Michael........ dated 24 June 1747 Signed William Gooch (Governor of the colony as agent for the proprietor) [Augusta County was created 1 August 1738 from Orange County. There are a few court cases which mention Jacob Dye in Orange County, all dating from before the date of this transaction. Note that this was not an actual purchase, since the land was held in what was called "Free Socage" - a feudal form of landholding. Note the date of the land purchase which is very near the date usually given for the birth of William Dye.]

Jacob Dye Land transaction:

Library of Virginia http://image.lva.virginia.gov/LONN/LO-1/030/703-722.html Patents No.32 1752-1756 (VOL.1 & VOL.2) Pages 703 - 722

Page705/706 (in the index) http://image.lva.virginia.gov/LONN/LO-1/030/030_0364.tif page 710 and Page 707/708 (in the index) http://image.lva.virginia.gov/LONN/LO-1/030/030_0365.tif page 711 "Jacob Die's patent from page 1 .... for and in consideration of the Survey Twenty five shillings of good and lawful money ......Do give grant and confirm unto Jacob Die one certain Tract or Parcel of land containing two hundred and thirty acres lying and being in the County of Lunenburgh on both sides of Mill Creek a Branch of Mayo River and bounded as followeth........Robert Dinwiddie Esqr. our Lieu Governor and Commander in chief of our said colony and Dominion at Williamsburgh under the seal of our said Colony the tenth day of March MDCCLVI.........."

[This matches the sale description from 1762 for this parcel. ]

A similar record as found on FamilySearch: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C37S-7SSK-F?i=35&cat=584564 AND https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C37S-7SSX-H?i=36&cat=584564 page 10 & 11 for 15 shillings for 150 acres "... a Tract or Parcel of Land containing one hundred and fifty acres Lying and being in the County of Lunenburgh on both sides of Mill Creek a Branch of Mayo River and bounded as followeth to wit Beginning at Pointer Joseph Cloud's corner running thence......" dated 10 March 1756

Deed books, 1752-1900; general indexes to deeds, 1752-1928 Authors: Virginia. County Court (Halifax County) Deed books, v.3 page 269 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4V-BTJT?i=606&cat=406522

20 May 1762 Jacob Dye "of Halifax County" sells to Samuel Cox of the same place, for 25 pounds, a tract of land containing by patent dated Tent Day March 1756, 230 acres, beginning at an Ash on Mill Creek.... [Mill Creek is in Pittsylvania County currently, due to its being split off from Halifax county in 1766/7. It is a tributary of the Banister River and lies about 2 km West of Markham, where Mills Creek joins Whitethorn Creek.]

Deed books, 1752-1900; general indexes to deeds, 1752-1928 Authors: Virginia. County Court (Halifax County) Deed books, v.3 page 332 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4V-BTF2?i=638&cat=406522

20 May 1762 William Byrd, Charles City County sells to Jacob Dye "of Halifax County" 1040 acres for 5 pounds "current money of Virginia" bounded as followeth to wit Beginning at a red oak on the Country line ..... to a white oak on Whiskey Branch... to a Maple on Rockey Branch....to the Country line."

["Country line" is the border with North Carolina. Also, the land lay far enough South of the Dan River that it did not touch the river anywhere. The mention of "Rocky Branch" is common to both this purchase and the 1770 transfers to Jacob's sons, but there is no Rocky Branch on current maps that lies South of the Dan River. William Byrd appears to be a Virginia state agent, given his location and the great number of sales made by him for very cheap land. Note that the purchase date matches the sale date of the property sold above. Having the property South of the Dan River - as per the transfer of land to his sons in 1770 - and touching the state line - as per the purchase in 1762 - that limits the places that are possible and allows the possibility that the lot was just across the state line from James Randolph's land in North Carolina.]

Deed books, 1767-1901 (with wills 1767-1820) ; indexes to deeds, 1767-1934 Author: Virginia. County Court (Pittsylvania County) https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/415497?availability=Family%20History%20Library Deed book, v. 1, 1767-1770 (includes list of surveys 1768-1769) -- Deed book, v. 2, 1770-1772. Family History Library United States & Canada 2nd Floor Film 33262 DGS 7646004 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9PX-G4LM?i=64&cat=415497 Dated Twelfth March 1768 Sale by Jacob Dye of Halifax County to Peter Rogers of the same for 18 pounds, 8 shillings and one penny, a tract lying on both sides of Mill Creek, a branch running on the south side of the north track of the Mayo River in the County of Pittsylvania containing 150 acres.... Witnesses: William ? Micajah Snead Jacob Dye Jr. William Dye [Sale of the second parcel on Mill Creek purchased on 10 Mar 1756]

Deed books, 1752-1900; general indexes to deeds, 1752-1928 Authors: Virginia. County Court (Halifax County) Deed books, v. 6-8 1765-1772 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4V-5SKT-F?cat=406522 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4V-5SKT-F?i=616&cat=406522 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4V-5SKF-X?i=617&cat=406522

7th October 1770 Jacob Dye sells to William Dye "in consideration of the natural love and affection that he hath and doth bare unto the said William Dye as well as and in consideration of the sum of fifteen shillings... a "tract or parcel of Land scituate lying and being on the Branches of Dan River and on the South side of the same & in the County of Halifax aforesaid containing three hundred acres and bounded as followeth to wit beginning at a maple near the Rockey Branch..."

Immediately following: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4V-5SKF-X?i=617&cat=406522 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4V-5SK6-5?i=618&cat=406522 7th October 1770 Jacob Dye sells to Jacob Dye Junr "in consideration of the natural love and affection that he hath and doth bare unto the said Jacob Dye Junr as well as and in consideration of the sum of fifteen shillings... a "tract or parcel of Land scituate lying and being on the Branches of Dan River and on the South side of the same & in the County of Halifax aforesaid containing three hundred acres..."

[The description of the property for William Dye mentions a boundary near the "Rockey Branch". This evidently refers to a creek tributary to the Dan River. The description of the land also mentions Pointers which are likely survey markers. The 15 shillings is likely to pay for the survey to divided the property. The identical treatment of both William Dye and Jacob Dye Jr. raises a question about the assumption that this transfer was a form of payment to William Dye. It has the appearance of being equal treatment of two brothers. Also, the date of the transfer is very close to the time given for the birth of William's first child. That would seem to be more of an incentive for a father, rather than an uncle, to make such a gift. Further, Jacob Dye seems to have died by 1785 or thereabout, having disposed of most of his land in Dec 1783 and the remaining land appears to be in the hands of Henry Dye and John Dye by 1785 when it is mentioned in a boundary in the sale of the land sold to Abraham Dye in 1783 and it was sold by Henry Dye and John Dye in 1789. At that date, Jacob Dye Sr.'s wife Mary was still living, but there is no mention of Jacob Dye Sr. in the head tax censuses after 1783. That and the court cases in Orange County involving a Jacob Dye suggests that he may have been born in about 1710 - 1718, since the courts did not deal with disputes involving minors or "infants" under 21. With William living until 1823, there is no likelihood that he was of about the same age as Jacob Dye Sr.]

Kentucky: A History of the State, Battle, Perrin, & Kniffin, 3rd ed., 1885, Hardin Co.

http://sites.rootsweb.com/~kygenweb/kybiog/hardin/white.gw.txt DR. GEORGE W. WHITE, a prominent citizen of Elizabethtown, Hardin County, was born November 17, 1827; on Fishing Creek, Pulaski Co., Ky. His maternal grandfather was a soldier in the Revolutionary war from Virginia; married a lady named GORDON and reared a large family of children, one of whom was subject's mother. Thomas White, the father of subject, was born in North Carolina, and when eight years old, in company with his mother and stepfather, came to Kentucky, leaving the rest of his brothers in North Carolina. They located in Casey County, where Thomas grew to manhood, and where he married Miss Tabitha DYE. She was a native of Pulaski County, though of a Virginia family of German origin, and a daughter of a Revolutionary soldier. Thomas White devoted his life to farming and died in 1866. He had a family of fourteen sons and one daughter, several of whom grew to maturity. The mother still resides in Pulaski County, at the age of eighty-four years. Dr. George W. was the fourth son born to these parents. His boyhood days were passed on his father's farm, during which period he attended the common schools of his native county and the schools of Somerset. At the age of twenty-one years he began the study of medicine, meantime engaging in school teaching as a means of support while preparing for his profession. In 1852 he entered the medical department of the University of Louisville, graduating therefrom the following year, when he at once established a practice in Breckinridge County, where he had removed in early manhood. After a successful professional career of twenty years he retired from the practice and removed to Elizabethtown, Hardin County, Kentucky. [Note - the German origin given here would rule out the Arthur/Avery Dye sometimes given as ancestors, since they were of English origin. Tabitha was a daughter of William Dye and Sarah Gordon.]

I have just added a "disputed parents" paragraph. If nobody objects within a week or so, I'll go ahead and detach Jacob's parents.

Should Dye-59 (William Shadrick Dye) be moved as a son to Dye-335?

If this is the same person who married Mary Braun/Brown, then he should be moved as a son to Avery Arthur Dye (Dye-66). The problem is that his birthdate is different than William Jacob Dye's (Dye-335), although neither is documented.

Also, the information here states that perhap Dye-60 and Dye-335 were brothers rather than the same person. If that's the case, then one of them was not married to Mary Braun/Brown.

Additionally, information on Dye-335 says that his wife was Elizabeth Braun/Brown. Was she the same person as Mary Braun/Brown?

Dye-468 and Dye-60 appear to represent the same person because: Another duplicate child