Hartwell M Elder (abt. 1798 - abt. 1844)

Born about 1798 in Virginia or Georgia

Ancestors

Husband of Pamelia Tigner — married 21 Dec 1817 in Clarke County, Georgia, USA

Descendants

Died about 1844 at about age 46 in Clarke County, Georgia, USA

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BIRTH / DEATH

Hartwell M Elder

Possible middle name: Matthews, per undocumented source

Birth estimated about 1798, based on the following:

1) Birth: between 1791-1800, per census in 1830

2) Possible birth: April 6, 1798 in Virginia, per undocumented source

3) Hartwell's assumed parents were married Feb-1798.

Place of Birth: either Virginia or Georgia, based on the following:

1) Place of Birth: assume Brunswick Co, Virginia, --IF-- son of David Elder.

2) Place of Birth: assume Wilkes County, Georgia, --IF-- son of Joshua Elder.

Death estimated about 1844, in Clarke Co. GA, based on the following:

1) Last known census location: Clarke Co, Georgia (1840 census)

2) Death was on/before Jan-1845, based on Hartwell Elder's Estate

3) His widowed wife and children still in Clarke Co Georgia (1850 census)

ESTATE SETTLEMENT

Estate Settlement of Hartwell Elder:

https://www.athensclarkecounty.com/documentcenter/view/928

Elder Hartwell, box 104, folder 14, type: Estate, inclusive dates: 1845-1846

Elder Hartwell M., box 14, folder 48, type: Estate, inclusive dates: 1846-1850

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-30813-22974-80?cc=1999178&wc=9SBV-929:267648401,267815601

Note: Edmond G Elder is son of Hartwell M Elder

A History of the Fawcetts and Related Families in America" by Dr. William B. Fawcett, Jr.

Clarke Co Ga Court Of Ordinary, Annual Returns & Mixed Records I374-377:

HARTWELL M. ELDER ESTATE 1/15/1845

Proceedings on Estate of Hartwell M. Elder dec'd

By Edmund G. Edler, Administrator

Georgia ) Court of Ordinary 15th January 1845

Clarke County )

Ordered That Edmund G. Elder be sworn and hereby appointed Administrator of Hartwell M. Elder Dec'd and hand of this Comm. Bond 5000$, Edmund G. Elder having accordingly qualified as such Administrator gave Bond in the Sum of Five Thousand Dollars and Edmunds Elder and John P. Elder for similar[?]

PARENTAGE

Hartwell Elder, a possible son of David Elder and Polly Phillips

Most genealogies assume Hartwell is son of David Elder, but this cannot be proven, except by process of elimination.

Hartwell and/or Hartwell's children are not listed as hiers in David Elder's will, even though Hartwell lived in close proximety to David in 1830/1840, and Hartwell's widowed wife and children continued to live close to David in 1850.

Note: David lists other deceased children (and their hiers), but not Hartwell.

Hartwell was married before 1820, so parents cannot be assumed by parents census. Hartwell died before 1850, so parents cannot be assumed by birthplace.

Other potential fathers for Hartwell have been excluded.

These are Hartwell's uncles, John and Joshua.

John Elder is not considered a possible father of Hartwell, because Hartwell was a minor in 1812. The minor children of John are listed in guardianship papers, and it does not include Hartwell.

Joshua Elder is probably not considered a father, because he had a Will in 1849. Joshua's Will listed children, both alive and deceased. It does not appear that Joshua has excluded any obvious children. Hartwell is not in Joshua's Will.

MARRIAGE

Ancestry.com, Dodd, Jordan. Georgia Marriages to 1850

Name: Parmelia Tigner

Spouse: Hartwell Elder

Marriage Date: 21 Dec 1817

Marriage County: Clarke

Marriage State: Georgia

Note: 2 brothers/cousins married 2 sisters.

Hartwell Elder (brother/cousin of Edmond) married Pamelia (sister of Nancy)

CENSUS / TIMELINE

1817: marriage of Hartwell Elder and Parmelia Tigner

1820: cannot locate

1830 Census: Clarke, Georgia, p.304

Name: Hartwell M Elder

1 - Males - Under 5: .......... [Mansel]

2 - Males - 5 thru 9: .......... [Asbury, David]

1 - Males - 10 thru 14: ...... [Edmond]

1 - Males - 30 thru 39: ...... [HARTWELL]

1 - Females - Under 5: ...... [?Innocence]

1 - Females - 10 thru 14: .. [Nancy]

1 - Females - 20 thru 29: .. [PARMELIA]

Total Free White Persons: 8

Total Slaves: 3

Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 11

Living close to many other ELDER households; sons of David, sons of John, son of Joshua.

1836: child Nancy Elder, married Joel W. Hale, in Clarke Co. GA

1840 Census: District 261, Clarke, Georgia, p.232

Name: Hartwell Elder

2 - Males - Under 5: .......... [Phillip, and male#3]

2 - Males - 10 thru 14: ....... [Joshua, Mansel]

3 - Males - 15 thru 19: ....... [Asbury, David, and male#2]

2 - Males - 20 thru 29: ....... [Edmond, and male#1]

1 - Males - 40 thru 49: ....... [HARTWELL]

3 - Females - Under 5: ....... [Alethea, and female#1 and female#2]

2 - Females - 5 thru 9: ....... [Mary, Martha]

1 - Females - 10 thru 14: ... [?Innocence]

1 - Females - 20 thru 29: ... [PARMELIA, Note: age is way off]

No. White Persons over 20 Who Cannot Read and Write: 2

Total Free White Persons: 17

1840 Note: Male#1 and Male#2, were not living with family in 1830

1840 Note: Male#3, Female#1, and Female#2, have disappeared by 1850... too young to marry.

1840-1848 Death of Hartwell Elder

1846: child Edmonds G Elder, married to Susan Huey, on 4 Feb 1846

1843: child David Elder, married Marieah E. Lanniers, on 21 Sep 1843

1848: Tax Rolls: child, Edmond G Elder administrator of Hartwell Elder

1850 WIFE: Census: Wildcat, Clarke, Georgia, family#817/15

Pamelia Elder .. 55 ... GA … real estate $1500

Mat Elder ......... 24 ... GA … farmer ... [Mansel]

Mary A Elder ... 18 ... GA ... [? Sara Ann ?]

Martha Elder ... 16 ... GA

Phillis Elder ..... 14 ... GA ... [Phillip]

Alethea Elder .. 10 ... GA

1850: child Edmond, living in Clarke Co. GA (Ed G Elder age 30)

1850: child Asbury, living in Clarke Co. GA (Ashing B Elder age 24)

1850: child Joshua, living in Clarke Co. GA (Joshua P Elder age 21)

1852: child Joshua, married Minerva Bassett, 4 Mar 1852, Clarke GA.

1860: cannot locate wife Parmelia (Note: several of their children moved to Texas)

BOOK REFERENCE

History of Elder Family

Published in Ononee Enterprise, Watkinsville Georgia

September 24, 1937 - January 14, 1938

By W. Shannon Elder

Page 5

Hartwell M. Elder, fifth child of David Elder and first of Mollie Phillips, was born in Virginia on April 6, 1789 and came to Georgia in January, 1807, with David, his father. He married Pamelia Tigner December 21, 1817 in Clarke county (now Oconco). He died in Texas in 1844. Parmelia was born June 26, 1798 and died in Texas in May, 1848. Hartwell and Pamelia raised a large family of eleven children.

Note: Census records contradict death dates in Texas. The 1850 census shows widowed wife Pamelia and children still living in Clark Co Georgia.

Children of Hartwell summarized from the book:

1) Nancy Tigner, b. 8 Oct 1818, d. 1877, married Joseph Hale

2) Edmond J., b. 24 Dec 1820, d. 1854, had 4 boys

3) David Young, b. 25 May 1822, d.1877, m(1) wife and 2 children, m(2) Elizabeth Wilson

4) Mansel Nathan, b. 2 Mar 1824, d.1881, married Sally Avant, children: Henry, George, Tigner, Fletcher, Maggie, Jane, Nathan, and Dora Elder.

5) Innocence Mary, b. 22 Dec, 1825, d. 1854, never married.

6) Asbury Blanton, b. 12 Sep 1827, d.1863 from fall from buggy, never married.

7) Joshua Payne, b. 12 Jan 1830, d. 27 Jun 1909, married 4 times.

8) Sara Ann, b. 19 May 1832, d. 19 Aug 1899, married Lee Preston, large family.

9) Martha Tigner, b. 4 Apr 1834, d. 1914, married Mr. Barnett, one son.

10) Phillip Tigner, 18 Jun 1836, d. 19 Mar 1839, married Susan Sarah Wilson, children: Erwin, Fletche, George Wilson, Emma Luvania, Mattie M, Laurn Jane, Ida Josophine, Mausol Phillip and Thomas Blanton Elder.

11) Aletha Liman Jones, b. 2 May 1839, d. 21 Aug 1878, married Abner Avant, six children.

CHILDREN

ASBURY ELDER:

1850: Ashing B Elder age 24, Scull Shoal, Clarke, Georgia, family#1019

Estate Settlement of Asbury Elder:

https://www.athensclarkecounty.com/documentcenter/view/928

Elder Asbury B., box 105, folder 9, type: Estate, inclusive dates: 1863-1864

JOSHUA ELDER:

1850: Joshua P Elderage 21, Wildcat, Clarke, Georgia, family#813

INNOCENCE ELDER assumed daughter of Hartwell Elder:

There is no evidence to prove that a child named Innocence ever existed. Undocumented sources say Innocence died in 1854, but where is she in 1850?

Hartwell's 1830 and 1840 census does show the existence of female age 10-14 (b.1826-30), who then disappears before Hartwell's 1850 census.

Mary Elder(b.1826) also fits the description, as she married 1841. Undocumented sources say Mary is daughter of Edmond Elder, but cannot be proven. Mary could just as easily be daughter of Hartwell Elder. There is nothing to prove or disprove Mary as daughter of either one of these fathers.

Frances Elder(b.1830-32) fits the description, as she married 1846, but Frances appears in 1844 guardianship records as orphan of Joseph M Elder. Frances is not daughter of Hartwell Elder.

NANCY ELDER assumed daughter of Hartwell Elder:

Assumption based on following:

1) Father Hartwell Elder's 1830 census shows existance of female age 10-14

2) Father Hartwell Elder's 1840 census is missing this daughter.

3) Nancy Elder maried 1836 in Clarke Co. GA (before father's 1840 census)

4) The marriage date of father, Hartwell Elder, in 1817.

Another potential father, Edmond Elder, also has daughter with same 1830 criteria; born 1816-20, and married before 1840. Except that Edmond married several years before Hartwell. Hartwell didn't marry until 1817.

Therefore, by default:

Nancy Elder (b.1818) is child of Hartwell Elder (married 1817)

Elizabeth Elder (b.1816) is child of Edmond Elder (married 1810)

Summary:

1850: Nancy Hale age 31, Salem, Clarke, Georgia, family#818/16

1860: Nancy T Hale age 41, Pea Town, Beat 8, Rusk, Texas, family#946

1870: Nancy T Hale age 51, Henderson, Precinct 3, Rusk, Texas, family#215

DAVID Y ELDER, assumed son of Hartwell Elder:

Assumption based on following:

David is living next to confirmed son (Phillip) of Hartwell in 1850 Alabama,

and widowed wife Elizabeth is living in household of Phillip Elder in 1880.

Note: Elizabeth's sister married Phillip Elder.

1843 David married Marieah E. Lanniers, on 21 Sep 1843, Morgan GA

1850: census, David Y Elder age 25, District 62, Morgan, Georgia

1852: David married Elizabeth Wilson, on 22 Jul 1852, Morgan Co. GA

1860: census, David Y Elder age 36, Township 12, St Clair, Alabama

1870: census, David Y Elder age 50, Township 9, Cherokee, Alabama

PHILIP ELDER:

Philip Elder, son of Hartwell Elder, living with parents in 1850.

1860: Phillip T Elder age 36, Township 12 Range 4 East, St Clair, Alabama

1870: Phillips Elder age 39, Township 12 Range 4, Etowah, Alabama

1880: Philip T. Elder age 43, Precinct 2, DeWiit, Texas, family#230

EDMOND G ELDER, assumed son of Hartwell Elder:

Assumption based on following:

1) Father Hartwell Elder's 1830 census shows existance of male age 10-14

2) Father Hartwell Elder's 1840 census shows existance of male age 20-29

3) Father Hartwell Elder's 1850 census is missing this son.

4) Edmond G Elder married 1846 in Clarke Co. GA (before 1850 census).

5) Marriage date of father, Hartwell Elder, in 1817.

Note:

Another potential father, Edmond Elder, also has son with same 1840 criteria; born 1811-20, and married before 1850. Except that Edmond married several years before Hartwell. Hartwell didn't marry until 1817.

Therefore, by default:

Edmond G Elder (b.1820) is child of Hartwell Elder (married 1817)

David R Elder (b.1813) is child of Edmond Elder (married 1810)

Summary:

1846: Edmonds G Elder, married 4 Feb 1846, to Susan Huey [Hughey]

1850: Ed G Elder, age 30, Salem, Clarke, Georgia, family#807

1853-1860: death of Edmonds (based on age of child H M Elder in 1860)

1860: wife remarried: Susan F Hunter age 29, Tallokas, Brooks, Georgia

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