John Kirkpatrick Finlay (abt. 1410 - 1455)

Born about 1410 in Perthshire, Scotland

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Died 1455 at about age 45 in Dunblane, Perthshire, Scotland

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Biography

Bishop of Dunblane in 1406-1419 and later Bishop of Argyll 1420-1426.

His title was that of Reginald of the Isles, of the whole Thange of Glentilt, being three devaches of land for his faithful services, to be held by himself in fee heritage for ever for the payment of eleven merksmen and the carriage of four horses once a year for hunting in the forest of Bencromby.

Children: John Finley Jr ; Andrew Finley ; William Finley ; Alexander Finley ; Robert Finley ; Margaret Finley

Additional information

John Finlay Gender Male Birth 1356 Perthshire, Scotland Christening Add Death 1445 Dumblain,, SCOTLAND Burial Add Other Information Close Open Details | Add Alternate Name Birth Name John Finlay Birth Name John Finlay Bishop of Dumblain Birth Name John Sr. Finley Title of Nobility Bishop Occupation Bishop of Dunblane Family Members Close Spouses and Children

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Research Notes

There appear to be many problems with the information for John Findlay.

Thane of Glentilt

Although there was a "John Thane son and apparent heir of Fyndlaus the thane of Glentilt" (also called Finlay Tosschach)^[1]they weren't the first, and the information currently presented seems to be a bit garbled.

Although the original charter hasn't yet been found, this is the outline; "Robert the Steward of Scotland, afterwards King Robert II., before his accession to the throne, granted, as Lord of Athol, to Eugenius, Thane of Glentilt, brother of Reginald de Insulis, and his heirs the Thanage of Glentilt, for a rent of 11 merks sterling, and the service of four horses once-a-year in his Lord's hunting in Bencromby; with the condition that if the said thanage by any calamity should not be worth so much as 11 merks, the rent should be fixed by an assize of the vicinage"^[1]

The property was held by successive descendants of Eugenius but unfortunately it's not clear how many generations Findlay and his son John are from him, but the source does say that Finlay was mentioned in several charters at the beginning of the sixteenth century.^[1]

Bishop of Dunblane

Although the Bishop of Dunblane from 1403-1419 was named Finlay Colini (or in Gaelic Fionnlagh MacCailein)^[2] he is never given the name John and Finlay is actually his first name.

He was Archdeacon of Dunblane in 1400 and 1401, and chaplain to Robert Stewart, Duke of Albany. Elected to the Bishopric of Dunblane on 10 September 1403 and is mentioned in that position in November 1406, October 1408 and 17 March 1415/16. He is thought to have died in 1419 as Willelmus Stephani Bishop of Orkney is translated to Dunblane 30 October 1419.^[3]

The Wikipedia article proposes that the Colini or MacCailein section of this name may indicate that he was a member of the Campbell family who were also known as MacCailein.^[2]

Bishop of Argyll

Although the Bishop of Argyll from 1419 was also called Finlay 'de Albania' and was a supporter of the Stewart, Dukes of Albany, there is no indication that this is the same person as the Bishop of Dunblane from 1403-1419. Again Finlay is his first name, and there is no reference to him under the name John.

He was a Dominican friar and is thought to be the same person "who was sent to Scotland in 1418 to induce the Scots to separate from the allegiance to the anti-pope". He was elected as Bishop of Argyll or Lismore on 31 January 1419/20 but this election was quashed. However on 11 March 1419/20 he is definitely referred to in that bishopric..

He supported Murdoch Stewart, Duke of Albany in his struggle with the King and eventually went to Ireland soon after 3 May 1425 and died shortly afterwards, though this wasn't known in Rome as of 13 May 1426.^[4]

Apart from the fact that Bishops in this time period didn't marry there is no indication that either Bishop named Finlay were the same person or the same as John Finlay as presented in The Findlay Genealogy by Clara Walker

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1 1.2} Registrum Episcopatus Moraviensis, e pluribus codicibus consarcinatum cira AD MCCCC Cum continuatione diplomatum recentiorum usque ad AD MDCXXIII, Edinburgh: Bannatyne Club, 1837. p. xxviii, note a. Digital Image Internet Archive https://archive.org/details/registrumepiscop00bann : accessed 14 January 2018.
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1} Wikipedia contributors, "Fionnlagh MacCailein," Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fionnlagh_MacCailein&oldid=712984830 (accessed January 14, 2018).
3. ↑ Dowden, John, The Bishops of Scotland: Being notes on the lives of all the Bishops, under each of the Sees, prior to the reformation, edited by J. Maitland Thomson. Glasgow: James Maclehose & Sons, 1912. p. 205. Digital image, Internet Archive, https://archive.org/stream/bishopsofscotlan00dowdrich#page/n7/mode/2up : accessed 14 January 2018,
4. ↑ Dowden, John, The Bishops of Scotland: Being notes on the lives of all the Bishops, under each of the Sees, prior to the reformation, edited by J. Maitland Thomson. Glasgow: James Maclehose & Sons, 1912. p. 384-385. Digital image, Internet Archive, https://archive.org/stream/bishopsofscotlan00dowdrich#page/384/mode/2up : accessed 14 January 2018,

Acknowledgements

This person was created through the import of Peterson.ged on 22 September 2010.

Profile created by Sir William Arbuthnot, Thursday, January 9, 2014.

Profile edited/adopted by Leslie Ridley-388 16/19 Apr 2014