Note: Alice, daughter by (1) (Alice), living 1305; m. by 29 June 1256, Sir John de St. John, d. 20-29 Sep 1302, of Basing, Hampshire, Constable of Porcestre Castle, Seneschal of Gascony, Seneschal of Aquitaine, son & heir of Sir Robert de St. John,
d. c 1269, of Basing, Hampshire, Constable of Porcestre Castle & Agnes, daughter of William de Cauntelo, d. 1251, of Calne, co. Wilts, and Eaton Bray, co. Bedford, & Millicent de Gournay. [Ancestral Roots]
Note: He [John de St. John] married, before 29 June 1256, Alice, daughter of Sir Reynold FITZPIERS, by his 1st wife, Alice. He presumably died between 20 and 29 September 1302. His widow was living in 1305. [Complete Peerage XI:323-5
25 Jun 1305: "Letters for Alice, late the wife of John de Sancto Johanne, staying in England, nominating Ralph Peny and John de Kenilworthe her attorneys in Scotland until Midsummer." [3]
Title: The Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999; Page: 125-4; Text: Alice (no last name)
Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999; Page: 262-31
Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000; Page: XI:325
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To William's point back in 2017, we should decide if this family group used LNAB FitzPiers or FitzReginald/Reynold. Or perhaps if they need FitzReynold as middle names and we keep using FitzPiers as LNAB, because they did both. (The Welsh patronymic is so much tidier!) This is the transitional era for the Anglo-Normans (and the pre-Norman Anglo-Saxon/Britons too) and Piers's name carried weight etc. So, some inconsistency is to be expected. How do we want to resolve it, without losing information?
It looks like son Amadeus is only about 17, around 1300/1, making him born about 1283/4. Assuming she's not having children at 50, Alice should more likely be born about 1244, or later.
What is the origin for the "Alceste" alternate surname, and what evidence supports its existence?