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Alice (FitzPiers) de St John (abt. 1234 - 1305)

Alice de St John formerly FitzPiers aka de Alceste, de St John of Basing
Born about in Basing,,Hampshire,Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Wife of — married 1256 in Basing,,Hampshire,Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 71 in Basing, Hampshire, Englandmap
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Biography

Alice was born in 1234. Alice Fitz-Piers ... She passed away in 1305. [1]

Name

Name: Alice /Fitzpiers/[2]

Birth

Birth:
Date: ABT 1234
Place: of Basing, Hampshire, England, England

Marriage

: Husband: John Saint John

Wife: Alice Fitzpiers
Child: John De Saint John
Relationship to Father: Natural
Relationship to Mother: Natural
Marriage:
Date: 1256-06
Place: Basing,,Hampshire,England
Husband: John Saint John
Wife: Alice Fitzpiers
Child: John De Saint John
Relationship to Father: Natural
Relationship to Mother: Natural
Marriage:
Date: 1256-06
Place: Basing,,Hampshire,England

Death

Death:
Date: AFT 1305

Note

Note: Alice, daughter by (1) (Alice), living 1305; m. by 29 June 1256, Sir John de St. John, d. 20-29 Sep 1302, of Basing, Hampshire, Constable of Porcestre Castle, Seneschal of Gascony, Seneschal of Aquitaine, son & heir of Sir Robert de St. John,
d. c 1269, of Basing, Hampshire, Constable of Porcestre Castle & Agnes, daughter of William de Cauntelo, d. 1251, of Calne, co. Wilts, and Eaton Bray, co. Bedford, & Millicent de Gournay. [Ancestral Roots]
Note: He [John de St. John] married, before 29 June 1256, Alice, daughter of Sir Reynold FITZPIERS, by his 1st wife, Alice. He presumably died between 20 and 29 September 1302. His widow was living in 1305. [Complete Peerage XI:323-5
25 Jun 1305: "Letters for Alice, late the wife of John de Sancto Johanne, staying in England, nominating Ralph Peny and John de Kenilworthe her attorneys in Scotland until Midsummer." [3]

Sources

  1. Entered by Crickett Lucero, Aug 21, 2011
  2. http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=13078823&pid=474103717
  3. Edward I, vol. 4, p. 367 [1]
  • Title: The Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999; Page: 125-4; Text: Alice (no last name)
  • Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999; Page: 262-31
  • Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000; Page: XI:325




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Hi folks,

What is the origin for the "Alceste" alternate surname, and what evidence supports its existence?

posted by Isaac Taylor
To William's point back in 2017, we should decide if this family group used LNAB FitzPiers or FitzReginald/Reynold. Or perhaps if they need FitzReynold as middle names and we keep using FitzPiers as LNAB, because they did both. (The Welsh patronymic is so much tidier!) This is the transitional era for the Anglo-Normans (and the pre-Norman Anglo-Saxon/Britons too) and Piers's name carried weight etc. So, some inconsistency is to be expected. How do we want to resolve it, without losing information?
posted by Isaac Taylor
Why is her birthplace her husband's family seat, instead of her father's? Wrong county, no?
posted by Isaac Taylor
Alice should be entered as FitzReynold, as her siblings are (Katherine needs correcting), not as FitzPiers.
posted by William Collins
It looks like son Amadeus is only about 17, around 1300/1, making him born about 1283/4. Assuming she's not having children at 50, Alice should more likely be born about 1244, or later.
posted by Jason Clark

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