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Margaret (French) Allen (abt. 1602 - 1650)

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Margaret Allen formerly French aka Lamb
Born about in Steeple,Bumpstead,Essex,Englandmap
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Wife of — married before in Braintree, Norfolk, Masschusettsmap [uncertain]
Died in Braintree, Norfolk, Massachusettsmap [uncertain]
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This person migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1620-1640).
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Biography

Disputed origins.

Margaret French / French-865 could not have been both the mother of Hannah Lamb, born 1633 at Watertown, and the daughter of Thomas French and Susanna Riddlesdale.

Thomas and Susan Riddlesdale had a daughter named Margaret, but their daughter by that name is reported to have died at England in 1635.[1]

Propose WikiTree sever the relationship between Margaret French / French-865 and parents.


Robert Charles Anderson did not find a maiden name "French" when he profiled Edward Lamb in 1995.[2] In the bibliographic comments of the profile, Anderson wrote,[3]

"In 1990 Joan S. Guilford examined the family of Edward Lamb, arriving at some conclusions which are not always consistent with those given above."

Although Margaret _____, the wife of Edward Lamb and then Samuel Allen is sometimes associated as a daughter of Thomas French and his wife,Susan Riddlesdale, this seems unlikely. Thomas and Susan had a daughter named Margaret, but she was reported baptized at Assington, Suffolk, England on 12 March 1619.[4] An extracted English record reports Thomas and Susan's daughter Margaret's baptism (as 12 March 1620), also reporting her death 25 November 1635.[5]

While the death record has not otherwise been confirmed, based on the baptisms given for Thomas' children, it is reasonable to assume Margaret French was baptized as an infant, thus would have been quite young in 1633, by which time Margaret ____ had married to Edward Lamb. The Lamb marriage is also awkward in terms of what is known about the French family migration. Thomas [Jr] (son of Thomas and Susan) migrated 1632 with his sister Alice[6]; two more sisters, Dorcas and Susan, arrived the following year.[7] It was not until still later that the French parents, Thomas and Susan, migrated with the younger children.[8]

Still other parents, surname French, are found attributed to this Margaret in Ancestral File and other FamilySearch "User Submitted Genealogies."

Unconfirmed, thus only a possible explanation, this apparent French or _____ conflict may somehow relate to information about an early Braintree man, John French. In an 1876 work about him by Sidney French, John French was reported born about 1612 and died 6 August 1692.[9] John French's first wife, Grace, died in 1680, age 58; he married again in 1683, to Eleanor Veazie, widow of William. Following the death of John French, heirs petitioned the court for a division of his estate. Transcript of the petition mentions a Margaret Lamb, but this name is given among the "children of Mary Lamb deceased."[10]

As with all genealogical work, findings such as those above are subject to review and update based on improved historical discovery and insight.


Calling her Margaret _____, Robert Charles Anderson reported she married by 1633 to Edward Lamb based on the birth of first child 27 December 1633.[11] Edward Lamb died "probably at Boston"[12] after 27 June 1648 (when daughter Elizabeth was baptized[13]) and before 1650, by which time Margaret had married again to Samuel Allen of Braintree.[14]

From Torrey, New England Marriages prior to 1700:

  • LAMB, Edward (-1649) & Margaret [FRENCH]; ... b. 1633, Watertown/Boston
  • ALLEN, Samuel (-1669) & 2/wf Margaret (FRENCH) [LAMB], w Edward, b 1650; Braintree[15]

Sources

  1. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NL2H-1QK : accessed 2014), Margaret French, 12 Mar 1620; citing , reference ; FHL microfilm 364109.
  2. Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols. (1995), 2:1151-1152 for Edward Lamb profile; digital images, AmericanAncestors.org (accessed 2014).
  3. Referring to "Guilford Anc 526-528" in Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., 2:1151-1152 for Edward Lamb profile; digital images, AmericanAncestors.org (accessed 2014).
  4. Walter Goodwin Davis, The ancestry of Dudley Wildes, 1759-1820, of Topsfield, Massachusetts (1959), 64 (in particular part); digital images Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
  5. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NL2H-1QK : accessed 2014), Margaret French, 12 Mar 1620; citing , reference ; FHL microfilm 364109.
  6. Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols. (1995), 2:703-706 for Thomas French profile; digital images, AmericanAncestors.org (accessed 2014).
  7. Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols. (1995), 2:703-706 for Thomas French profile; digital images, AmericanAncestors.org (accessed 2014).
  8. Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols. (1995), 2:703-706 for Thomas French profile; digital images, AmericanAncestors.org (accessed 2014).
  9. Sidney French, The Family, ancestors and descendants, of Captain John French of Stoughton, Mass. (1876), 1-5, entry concerning Captain John French; digital images, Internet Archive (accessed 2014).
  10. Sidney French, The Family, ancestors and descendants, of Captain John French of Stoughton, Mass. (1876), 4-5 (in particular part); digital images, Internet Archive (accessed 2014).
  11. Citing "WaVR 1:3" for birth of daughter Hannah Lamb in Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., 2:1151 (in particular part); digital images, AmericanAncestors.org (accessed 2014).
  12. Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols. (1995), 2:1151 (in particular part); digital images, AmericanAncestors.org (accessed 2014).
  13. Citing "BVR 28" for baptism "Boston 27 June 1848 (27 dy, 6th month, 1648) 'Elizabeth of Edward and Margaret Lambe member of Ch. of Watertowne aged about 11 days'" in Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., 2:1152 (in particular part); digital images, AmericanAncestors.org (accessed 2014).
  14. Citing "BrVR 635; MBCR 3:216" in Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., 2:1151 (in particular part); digital images, AmericanAncestors.org (accessed 2014).
  15. AmericanAncestors.org reporting for this source references many of the works consulted by Torrey as "Reg. 10:225, 19:310, 37:169; Agard Anc. 4; Tracy (1936) 163; Brownell Anc. 75; Dewey-French 4; Putnam's Mag. 1:288; Smith-Bryant 99; Pope's Pioneers 15; Holbrook Anc. (1942) 43; Martha's Vineyard 3:3; Seeley-Vail 55; Allen (,7) 5; Allen (,8) 96; Allen (,11) 1; Clapp Anc. 2:30; Cary (1911) 63; Dewey-French 4; Vinton Mem. 303; Fulton Anc. 256, 450; Sv. 1:35; Blackman Anc. 39; Ayers-Byram 14; Dunham-Boyd 116."
See also
  • William B. Trask, "Abstracts from the earliest Wills on record and on the files in the county of Suffolk, Mass.," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 19 (1865):310 (in particular part), Will of Samuel Allen (1669); digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2013). Will is dated 2 August 1669, proved 16 September 1669; executors are Margaret Allen and Joseph Allen.
  • Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., 2:1151-1152 for Edward Lamb profile; digital images, AmericanAncestors.org (accessed 2014)


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On November 15, 2015 at 11:07GMT Michelle McQueen wrote:

French-865 and French-424 appear to represent the same person because: Same person, same spouse, same place of birth and death.

On September 23, 2015 at 13:07GMT Anne B wrote:

This Margaret French was born in the wrong place to the the daughter of Thomas French and Susanna Riddledale. Their daughter Margaret was born in 1620 and died in 1635.

Hearing no objections she will be disconnected.

On September 12, 2014 at 15:29GMT GeneJ X wrote:

Do we want to continue to refer to her as "Margaret French" when her identity as the dau. of Thomas and Susan French has been essentially disproved and no other French association has been learned?

Robert Charles Anderson referred to the woman who was married to both Edward Lamb and Samuel Allen as Margaret _____.

On September 12, 2014 at 15:10GMT GeneJ X wrote:

Please see unmerged match French-865, Margaret French, reported both the mother of Hannah Lamb and daughter of Thomas and Susanna (Riddlesdale) French.

Propose we sever Margaret French, French-865 from the parents, as a FamilySearch extracted English record reports their daughter died in 1635.

On September 12, 2014 at 15:07GMT GeneJ X wrote:

Propose we sever Margaret French / French-865, (reported mother of Hannah Lamb) from associated parents, Thomas French and Susan Riddlesdale.

Thomas and Susan French had a daughter named Margaret, but she is reported to have died at England in 1635, presumably prior to the time her parents migrated to New England.

On September 12, 2014 at 10:54GMT GeneJ X wrote:

Alternate profiles may contain some information about Margaret, the wife of Edward Lamb and Samuel Allen, and may also contain information about others, particularly others Margaret French.

This profile (French-424) calls her Margaret French, with her birth as c1602 at Steeple, Essex, England and death at Braintree, Mass.

Profile French-865 has her born 1610 at Steeple, dau. Thomas French and Susannah ... ; has Margaret's death as 1650 Braintree, Mother of Hannah Lamb.

Profile French-815 has her born 1619 at Assington, Suffolk, daughter of Thomas and Susannah ..., but death as Ipswich, Mass., 25 November 1633,

On September 12, 2014 at 08:29GMT GeneJ X wrote:

French-424 and French-865 are not ready to be merged because: Reading Great Migration report about Edward Lamb. Robert Charles Anderson does not assign a maiden name to her. Suspect we should resolve the conflict in the maiden name (and thus parentage) before we merge.

On September 12, 2014 at 05:39GMT Carole Partridge wrote:

French-424 and French-865 appear to represent the same person because: Birth years somewhat close, same birthplace, same name, same married name (Lamb) and place of death.

On September 8, 2014 at 20:17GMT Bryan McCullagh wrote:

Torrey shows a marriage of Margaret French to the Samuel Allen of Braintree, d. 1669.. Removing Allen-1644 as husband.



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