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Elizabeth (Frost) Whale (bef. 1588 - 1647)

Elizabeth Whale formerly Frost aka Rice
Born before in Glemsford, Suffolk, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Wife of — married 1605 (to 16 Nov 1621) in Stanstead, Suffolk, Englandmap
Wife of — married about 24 Jan 1622 (to 1647) in Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk, Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died after age 59 in Sudbury, Middlesex, Massachusetts Bay Colonymap
Profile last modified | Created 13 Aug 2010
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Biography

Elizabeth Frost, daughter of Edward Frost, was baptized in Glemsford, Suffolk, England on 24 March 1587/8.[1]

That Elizabeth Frost who married Henry Rice was daughter of Edward Frost and Thomasine Belgrave is claimed in "Ancestry of Thomasine (Frost) Rice," in The American Genealogist, 63:134:

"Edward [Frost] bp. 13 March 1560/1... m. Glemsford 26 July 1585 THOMASINE BELGRAVE... Edward and Thomasine were the parents of the immigrants Elizabeth Frost (bp. Stanstead 24 March 1587[/8]), who m. (1) Henry Rice and (2) Philemon Whale, later of sudbury, Mass.;..."

This is apparently also discussed further in Robert Charles Anderson, "The English Origins of Philemon Whale of Sudbury, Massachusetts," in The Genealogist, 6(1985):131-141.

Elizabeth Whall, wife of Philemon, died 20 Jun 1647 in Sudbury, Middlesex, Massachusetts Bay.[2] But how do we know her origins?

Here's what Anderson says:[3]

"Alice Frost, was sister of... Elizabeth Frost, who married first Henry Rice and then Philemon Whale, the latter also an immigrant to Sudbury [TAG 15:227, 26:10-11; TG 6:131-41; Stevens-Miller Anc 143-144]."

But WHICH Henry Rice?

"Philemon Whale, who married Henry Rice's widow ("The English Origins of Philemon Whale of Sudbury, Massachusetts," The Genealogist, [TG] 6[1985]:131-41). Henry Rice is believed to be a brother of Edmund Rice of Sudbury, from whom John Moore purchased land in 1642."[4]

Sources

  1. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5Y4-BXB : 30 December 2014, Elizabetha Frost, 24 Mar 1587); citing GLEMSFORD,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 950,452.
  2. NEHGS, Vital records of Sudbury, Massachusetts, to the year 1850 (Boston : NEHGS, 1903), p. 329
  3. Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to N.E. 1620-1633, Vols. I-III, p 206 (Profile for Richard Brackett)
  4. John Plummer, "The English Origins of John1 Moore of Sudbury, Massachusetts," in The American Genealogist, 66:75






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Frost-5321 and Frost-76 do not represent the same person because: Different vitals
posted by Jillaine Smith
First name(s) Elz

Last name Reice Birth year - Year 1621 Spouse's first name(s) Philemon Spouse's last name Wals Place Bury St Edmunds St Mary County Suffolk Country England Source Boyd's marriage index, 1538-1850 Record set England, Boyd's Marriage Indexes, 1538-1850 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from England, Great Britain

posted by Ann Browning
Edward added as child (with citations).
posted by JT Strong
JT, he is listed as a child on Henry's profile (with a source) Please feel free to add this child, Edward Rice (properly sourced of course)
posted by Anne B
The will of Edward Frost, father of Elizabeth, mentions a grandson, "I give and bequeathe to Edward Rice the sonne of my daughter Elizabeth...." Should a profile be created for him and linked to Elizabeth and Henry Rice?
posted by JT Strong
Oops. Dang it. I didn't see your comment. I think we were working at the same time? Sorry Anne. I merged daughter of John (wife of Pratt) away. Ugh.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Frost-103 and Frost-76 are not ready to be merged because: Frost-103 the daughter of John Frost was married to William Pratt (see John Frost's will). In this case it would make more sense to disconnect her from Henry, change her Current last name rather than merge her into the wife of Henry.
posted by Anne B
Frost-103 and Frost-76 appear to represent the same person because: The two Elizabeth Frost's seem to have married Henry Rice at the same time in the same year.
posted by David Hughey Ph.D.
She could not have married someone ten years after her own death. The Elizabeth Frost who m1 Henry Rice, then m2 Philemon Whale has been proven to be daughter of Edward Frost and Thomasine Belgrave. So if John Frost and Ann Scott had a daughter Elizabeth, she did not marry Henry Rice.
posted by Jillaine Smith

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