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Frances (Unknown) Fuller (abt. 1611 - aft. 1678)

Frances Fuller formerly [surname unknown]
Born about in Englandmap [uncertain]
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died after after about age 67 in Barnstable, Plymouth Colonymap [uncertain]
Profile last modified | Created 11 Sep 2017
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Frances (Unknown) Fuller migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640).
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Disputed Marriages

Confusion surrounding the birth of Frances (Unknown) Fuller's husband -- who is believed to have been born at Redenhall, Norfolk, in the years just before 1608, but who has routinely been confused with his (presumed) cousin Matthew Fuller, born there in 1603 -- has led to confusion in identifying the wives of these two men.

It has long been claimed that one of the two married a Frances Hyde, or Lyde, or Iyde, or Ide; such claims, across the Internet, are far too numerous to list, but examples may be found on Find A Grave, RootsWeb, Geneanet, Wikipedia, and dozens of other sites.[1] There is no known primary evidence for such a claim in either case, and indeed no certain primary evidence for Capt. Matthew's cousin Matthew having married anyone. What is in fact certain is that we do not know the origin of Capt. Fuller's wife -- only her given name. An extensive discussion of the confusion surrounding the Fullers may be found in the profile of Matthew Fuller.

It has also been claimed that Capt. Matthew Fuller was married a second time, to a woman named Hannah; again, no primary evidence has been found to support this assertion.

Biography

Frances, the only known wife of Capt. Matthew Fuller, is estimated to have been about three years younger than her husband, but her exact date of birth is not known; her last name at birth (maiden name) is also unknown. It is thought that the couple married in England before 1630.[2] Frances is identified by her first name in Matthew Fuller's will of July, 1678, which is the last mention found in the Barnstable/Plymouth records;[3] thus, the date of her death cannot be calculated beyond the statement that it occurred after the date of that will.

Sources

  1. E.g., see Find A Grave: Memorial #34104417; rootsweb; geneanet.org; wikipedia.
  2. MacGunnigle, Bruce Campbell, _et al._, "Was Matthew Fuller of Plymouth Colony a son of Edward Fuller", TAG, Vol. 61 (1985), p. 198; https://www.americanancestors.org/DB283/i/12790/198/24565887 (Subscription)
  3. Marriage: named in the will of husband Capt. Matthew Fuller, as composed 25 July, 1678; will and inventory recorded in Plymouth Colony Wills and Inventories, Volume III, Part II, pp. 127-29. For a transcript made from the original by George Ernest Bowman, MD, see the profile of Matthew Fuller.

See also:

  • Husband's lineage; offspring: MacGunnigle, Bruce Campbell, _et al._, "Was Matthew Fuller of Plymouth Colony a son of Edward Fuller", TAG, Vol. 61 (1985), p. 194. The American Genealogist. New Haven, CT: D. L. Jacobus, 1937-. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2009 - .); https://www.americanancestors.org/DB283/i/12790/194/24565883 (Subscription)




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Sorry, forgot I have Frances Fuller's maiden name as Idye. (She was a wife of Capt Matthew Fuller).
posted by Jody Johnson
As noted above in the "Disputed Marriages" section, there is no known primary – or reliable secondary – record showing that either this Matthew Fuller, or his presumed cousin who was also named Matthew, married a woman named Frances Hyde, Lyde, or other like-sounding variant. A recent article in the Summer, 2022, issue of the Mayflower Descendant by Donald Blauvelt considers the possibility that Capt. Matthew Fuller (likely the "Mathy Fuller" who was christened at Pulham Market, within a few miles of Redenhall, in February of 1613/14) married a woman named Frances Hunsden at Pulham Market in July of 1633. That is arguably the most promising theory we have for both the origin, and the marriage, of Capt. Matthew... but it is not yet proven.
posted by Christopher Childs
edited by Christopher Childs
The Find a Grave Memorial # 40395873 listed in sources leads to Mercy Fuller Barton.

The Find a Grave Memorial For Frances Hyde Fuller is # 34104417

posted by Katherine Cappon
It's great that you caught that error Katherine. Since WikiTree is collaborative, you can edit the profile to correct that mistake. The fact that the profile is "project protected" makes no difference, that just prevents adding or subtracting family members by people who are not on the trusted list. You have the ability to edit the profile and correct the FIndAGrave memorial ID.

Looking forward to seeing your contributions!

posted by Brad Stauf
I saw Project protected and thought "don't touch". I corrected the #. Thanks Brad. Kathy
posted by Katherine Cappon
Thanks for making the edit Kathy, that exact issue can get confusing so I wanted to clarify it for readers. Have a good weekend!
posted by Brad Stauf
Thanks, Kathy -- looks as though that error's been in place for some time (might be my mistake) and I appreciate your clearing it.
posted by Christopher Childs
[edited] The person Frances Lyde (aka Hyde, aka Ide) is a part of the mythology that has grown up around my ancestor, Capt. Matthew Fuller, born before 1608 -- a son of Mayflower passenger Edward Fuller. The confusion is augmented by a mixup with his (presumed) cousin, also Matthew Fuller, born in 1603. Capt. Matthew Fuller married a woman named Frances, whose birth surname is not known; it has also been alleged that the other Matthew Fuller married a woman named Frances, though no proof is offered and no record has been found. That is why this profile should be merged into that of Capt. Matthew's wife, Frances (Unknown) Fuller. Please help clear up a little of this century-long confusion by approving this merge. Thanks.
posted by Christopher Childs
edited by Christopher Childs
Christopher, stumbled upon this profile today. Thanks for your work. Two quick thoughts:
  • "Iide" seems an obvious phonetic scribing of "Hyde" with silent-h (e.g. "Ɪide"). What primary source or later secondary research introduces Iide?
  • "Lyde" seems an obvious transcription error for "Iide" by later scribes or amateur researchers, if mistaking the unbarred upper-case I (i.e. ay) for a lower-case l (i.e. el).

For clarity's sake, please imagine Michael Caine sayin' "Enry Ide'" (i.e. Henry Hyde) for a possible explanation how we got into this place. Having grown up in Massachusetts, I can attest: accents matter.

Regardless, can we simplify the Research Notes paragraph, and remove the dashes and underscoring for emphasis? It's a bit hard to read.

posted by Isaac Taylor
edited by Isaac Taylor
Lyde-25 and Unknown-386187 appear to represent the same person because: Both profiles represent the wife of my ancestor, Capt. Matthew Fuller, son of Mayflower passenger Edward Fuller, b. bef. 1608. The maiden surname of his wife, Frances, _is not known_, and Unknown-386187 is the correct designation for her profile. Please merge. [Note that there is also no proof of a marriage of a woman named Frances Lyde or Hyde, or similar name, to the other Matthew Fuller, b. 1603, presumed cousin of Capt. Matthew.]
posted by Christopher Childs

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