Beatrice (Unknown) de Vere (abt. 1060 - bef. 1112)

Descendants

Died before 1112 before about age 52 in England

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Biography

Beatrice married Aubrey de Vere.^[1]

"Aubrey I was married by 1086. As his spouse's name is recorded as Beatrice in 1104 and Beatrice is named as the mother of his eldest son, she was almost certainly his wife in 1086.[7]"^[1]
[7] Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum II, p. 100, no. 981

She "held Aldham, Essex, in her own right of Odo bishop of Bayeux."^[1]

Research Notes

Keats-Rohan believes Aubrey's wife was from the Cotentin. She also notes that she appears under her own name as a land holder in Domesday Book. She held land under the bishops of Coutances and Bayeux.^[2]

• PASE profile for Aubrey's wife: http://domesday.pase.ac.uk/Domesday?op=5&personkey=47108
• Opendomesday pages for his wife in Essex: sub-tenancies tenancies-in-chief

We do not know her name Beatrix from Domesday but from the foundation charter for Colne priory. (Note the possibility of multiple wives over the long span of years.)

Much of the earlier life of Albericus and Beatrice is unknown.

It has also been said that he married Beatrice, half sister of King William - apparently based on the following:

Here lyeth Aulbert de Vere, the first erle of Guines, the son of Alphonsus de Vere, the whych Aulbery was the fownder of this place and Bettrys his wyf sister of king Wylliam the conqueror.^[3]

However, there is little evidence to support this. William's profile in WikiTree - Guillaume (Normandie) de Normandie (abt.1027-1087) - is well developed and does not mention Beatrice.

de Ghent / de Gand: Comments on this profile from 2016 refer to a merge of Ghent and Gand profiles, asking "Is the correct LNAB Ghent or Gand"? Although this poster, attached to her husband's profile, calls her "Beatrice de Gand", sources do not give her maiden name. In WikiTree, Beatrice Gand) Ghent (1120-1147) is the wife of her grandson, Aubrey de Vere (abt.1103-1194). The poster lists three wives for her grandson: Beatrice of Bourbourg, Euferne de Cantelo, and Lucia de Essex.

Parents: See this G2G post about disconnecting the profiles attached as her parents: Henry (Ghent) de Ghent (abt.1005-aft.1040) and Sibilla (Manasses) Ghent (abt.1005-). Both of those profiles carry the warning: "Research suggests that this person may never have existed." They also have no sources and are not connected to anyone other than Beatrice and each other. ~ Noland-165 16:07, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Find a Grave: She has an unsourced Find a Grave memorial:^[4]

Beatrice (de Gant) de Vere was born in France in 1040 and died in 1100 "(aged 59–60)" in Earls Colne, Braintree District, Essex, England and was buried at Colne Priory in Earls Colne.

Children

Her husband's Wikipedia article mentions just one wife for him - this Beatrix, whom he married by 1086 (when their eldest son, Geoffrey, was born) and was named as his wife in 1104.^[1]

The Wikipedia article,^[1] citing Cokayne's Complete Peerage,^[5] named the following as "the couple's children":^[1]

• Geoffrey (eldest)^[1]
• Aubrey II^[1]
• Roger^[1]
• Robert^[1]
• William (youngest)^[1]

Attached profiles (as of 16 February 2024) include those named in the Wikipedia article and also a daughter:

• Aethelaise (de Vere) de Camville

Cawley's "Medieval Lands", lists all six children, but does not call his daughter "Aethelaise":^[6]

• [daughter . The Complete Peerage suggests that the mother of Richard de Camville must have been the daughter of Aubrey de Vere: his daughter held "Heldrinham" in 1185, which was held by Aubrey de Vere in 1086[1181]. m --- de Camville, son of ---.]

Note - Cawley puts brackets around information that is speculative. The entire entry is in brackets. "[1181]" is a footnote: "CP X Appendix J, p. 112, note j."

Estimated Dates, Locations

• Birth about 1065 based on "oldest son" born 1086.^[7]
• Married by 1086.^[7]
• Died after 1104,^[7] perhaps after 1111.^[6]

Dates and places that were "inherited":

• Born 1045 in France (no source).^[8] The 1045 birth date appears to have been based on her husband's birth (1040 on his WikiTree profile, as of 18 February 2024, which also questions about his origins.
• Married 1061 in Hedingham, Essex, England (no source)^[9] A contact decades before the birth of their first son (in 1086^[7]) is possible, but 1061 is not possible with the revised birth year of c1065 - putting her at 21 when her first child was born, in 1086, which also makes a marriage date closer to 1086 more reasonable.
• Died 1090^[10] - buried in Colne, Essex, England.^[4]

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10} Wikipedia: Aubrey de Vere I (accessed 16 February 2024).
2. ↑ Keats-Rohan, "Uxor Alberici De Ver" in Domesday People, p.440
3. ↑ Find A Grave: Memorial #55999710 Aubrey I de Vere (1040-1112). No images (accessed 17 February 2024). The inscription is shown on the profile of her husband, introduced with "Tomb Inscription (15th century)".
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1} Find A Grave: Memorial #192214201 for Beatrice de Gant de Vere (no images or sources, accessed 17 February 2024).
5. ↑ Citation for children from Aubrey de Vere I's WIkipedia article:
   • Cokayne, Complete Peerage vol. 10, p. 194. One or more daughters have been suggested but the evidence cited is tenuous at best.
6. ↑ ^{6.0 6.1} Charles Cawley. EARLS of OXFORD 1142-1526 (VERE), entry in "Medieval Lands" database, hosted by Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG), accessed 17 February 2024.
7. ↑ ^{7.0 7.1 7.2 7.3} As noted in her husband's Wikipedia article, citing "Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum II, p. 100, no. 981".
8. ↑ In 2013, the profile's text - a result of multiple merges - had both about 1040 in Bourboucy, France and, for Beatrice de Bourbourg, "say 1045" (see this detailed Change page). Beatrice de Bourbourg is listed as her grandson's first wife in the De Vere poster.
9. ↑ Added in 2014 (see this detailed Change page).
10. ↑ Imported with an unsourced gedcom (see this detailed Change page).

See also the following sources from her husband's profile (accessed 17 February 2024):

from footnotes

• Complete Peerage, Vol. 10, p. 193 (says "Aubrey’s name is always spelt Ver").
• Complete Peerage, 2nd ed., Vol. 10, Appendix J, "The Early Veres".
• Keats-Rohan, Doomsday People
  • "Alberic de Ver", p. 131
  • "Uxor Alberici De Ver", p. 440
• Loyd, "Vere" in Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families, p. 110.

from bulleted list

• Hedingham Castle official website
• St Stephen's Chapel aka Chapel Barn in Bures, Suffolk, Photos of tombs and effigies
• De VERE FAMILY OXFORD LINE - Aubrey De VERE (Chamberlain) as noted in The Complete Peerage
• Geni: Alberic de Vere Sheriff of Berkshire