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Thomas Gilbert (abt. 1767 - bef. 1841)

Thomas Gilbert
Born about in Bedford County, British Colony of Virginiamap
Ancestors ancestors
Son of and [mother unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died before before about age 74 in St. Clair County, Alabama, United Statesmap
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Contents

Note to Researchers

  • Be sure to read the "Debated and Incorrect Claims . . .. " section below before adding data to file. It may be covered there.

Biography

This profile is part of the Gilbert Name Study.

Based on census records, Thomas was born between 1765 and 1770. During that time period his father, Daniel Gilbert Sr. was living in Bedford County, Virginia. While many believe Thomas was the son of Daniel's first wife Elizabeth, we can't be certain of that based on what little we know about the end of the first marriage and beginning of the second.

About 1784, Thomas' father moved his family to Spartanburg County South Carolina. Thomas would have been in his mid to late teens at the time and we don't know if he accompanied his father, or followed later. We don't know whether Thomas married in Virginia, South Carolina, or somewhere in between.

We do know that he first entered public record in Spartanburg County South Carolina in the 1790 U.S. census. The census data indicates he was married and had two young sons born in the 1780's. One of those sons was gone by 1800 when the census indicated the other was born between 1784 and 1790. Census data from 1790 to 1830 indicate that Thomas and his wife (wives) had six sons and three, or four daughters.

In July 1820, Thomas sold his remaining land in Spartanburg County. Sometime between July 1820 and November 1822, Thomas moved his family west to the new county of St. Clair in northeastern Alabama. In late November of 1822, Thomas patented a 115 plus acre parcel of land in St. Clair County and patented another 80 plus acres eleven months later. He and his wife were shown in the 1830 census, aged in their 60's, with apparent grandchildren in their household.

Thomas, and his wife, are believed to have both died sometime after the 1840 U.S. census for St. Clair County, Alabama. He may have been buried at Old Harmony Baptist Church Cemetery. Rainbow City, Etowah County, Alabama. A claimed descendant, born more than a century after his death, placed a memorial stone there, but no one apparently knows the exact location of his, or his wife's, grave.

Timeline

  • 1765-70: Thomas is believed born in Bedford County, Virginia.
  • 1781, Dec: Campbell County created from Bedford County, Virginia.
  • 1783-85: Period during which Thomas' parents moved from Campbell County, Virginia to Spartanburg District, South Carolina.
  • 1790 U.S. Census for Spartanburg District, South Carolina. Thos and wife over age 16 with 2 males under 10 years.
  • 1798, 8 March: Thomas granted patent for 228 acres on Burton’s (Barton’s) Creek, Spartanburg County SC.
  • 1799, 3 Oct: Thomas' 228 patent plat is recorded.
  • 1800 U.S. Census for Spartanburg District, South Carolina. Thos and wife age 26-45 (b 1755-1774), 1 male 10-16, 2 males and 1 female under 10 years.
  • 1802, 13 May: Thomas Gilbert is shown as neighbor on William Morris land patent plat.
  • 1804, 1 Jan: Thomas Gilbert buys Jacob Smiths 228 acre land patent on Barton's Creek in Spartanburg County.
  • 1804, c Oct (undated): Thomas and Mark Gilbert witness land transaction on Buck Creek tributary of the Pacolet River.
  • 1805, 17 Sept: Thomas buys 100 acres on both sides Cartain’s (Barton’s) Creek. Transaction witnessed by Phillip Johnson and William Gilbert, who may have been a son, (note: witnesses were not required to be of age 21).
  • 1805, 17 Nov: Phillip Johnson sells property and William Gilbert, who may have been Thomas son, witnessed the transaction.
  • 1807, 14 July: Amos Speace to Edmond Cooley land on both sides Barton’s Creek bordering Wm. Bartin, Philip Johnson, Thomas Gibbert (sic), David Cunningham, et. al.
  • 1810: US census for Spartanburg County SC Thomas Gilbert 26-45 (1765-1784)
  • 1812, 26 March: Thomas 22 Acre plat on Bartons Creek, Spartanburg District, South Carolina.
  • 1813, 22 July: Thomas sells William Gilbert Sr 400 acres on both sides "Batton’s" (Barton’s) Creek of the Pacolette (Pacolet) River bordering . . . where William Gilbert lives; part of grant to Thomas Gore . . .. Witness John Littlefield and Isaiah Gilbert. Signed: Thomas Gilbert’s mark. (Note: Thomas signed with a mark), Isaiah Gilbert (a proven son of Daniel Gilbert Sr.) Starting with Thomas' children's generation there were 14 Gilbert / Littlefield marriages over 3 generations, many in Northeast Alabama and most involving Gilberts who moved there. William Gilbert was likely Thomas' eldest son.
  • 1815, 4 Feb: Philip Johnson sells acreage on both sides N Pacolet River bordering Thomas Gilbert.
  • 1816, 16 Sept: Edmund Cooly to Philip Johnson 100 acres bordering Johnson, Tinhold Bridge, Thos Gilbard. (note: Cooley was a neighbor of a couple of Thomas' brothers. Again deeds show how tightly clustered the Gilberts were).
  • 1818, Nov: St. Clair County, Alabama created from Shelby County.
  • 1820, 1 July: Thomas Gilbert sold Edmond Cooley 248 acres on Barton’s Creek of the Pacolet River bordering . . . E-Jilson Oliver. Witness Luke Burnett, George G Gilbert. (Note: The witness appears to be George Gipson Gilbert, Thomas' nephew. Note Cooley again. Olivers were another family connected to the Gilberts and one must wonder whether this was the source for Jilson O. Gilbert's name.)
  • 1820, 7 August: US census for Spartanburg County SC Thomas Gilbert 45, or + (b by 1775)
  • 1820: U.S. Census for St. Clair County, Alabama: No Gilberts, Littlefields, Dunaways, Jones etc in this county or in neighboring Counties.
  • 1821: Thomas Gilbert moves to St. Clair County, Alabama.
  • 1821, early spring (March?): Thomas Gilbert migrated with kin and neighbors from Spartanburg S.C. to St. Clair County, Alabama.
  • 1821, 3 April: Thomas Gilbert's daughter Docia married to William Dunaway in St Clair County, Alabama.
  • 1822, 6 April: Thomas Gilbert's believed son Jilson married in St Clair County, Alabama.
  • 1822, 29 Nov: Thomas Gilbert of St Clair County, Alabama patents a 115.16 acre parcel.
  • 1823, 20 Oct: Thomas Gilbert of St Clair County, Alabama patents an 80.17 acre parcel.
  • 1830: US census for St. Clair County, Alabama. Thomas Gilbert 60-70 (b 1760-70)
  • 1830-40: Sometime during this period, both Thomas and his wife, are believed to have died.
  • 1840 U.S. census for St. Clair County, Alabama. Neither, Thomas nor his widow are shown and are believed to have died prior to the census.
  • 1866, Dec: Baine County created from parts of six northeastern Alabama counties including the part of St. Clair where Thomas is believed buried.
  • 1868: Baine County renamed Etowah County.

Proof of Spouse

Thomas Gilbert's wife's maiden name is unknown, but her first name, or at least the name she went by, has long been believed to have been Jane. There are two pieces of evidence to support this theory:

  • The 1840 U.S. census for St. Clair County, Alabama showed a household headed by a Jane Gilbert containing a male and female both in their 70's (born 1760's). Thomas Gilbert and his wife were the only Gilberts of that generation shown in St. Clair County, or it's adjoining counties, before the Civil War. Furthermore, Jane Gilbert is surrounded by Gilbert families headed by believed sons and daughters. Next door, on one side are William and Betsy Jane (Gilbert) Littlefield. Next to them is the household of Thomas Gilbert, who is widely accepted as Thomas Gilbert's youngest son. Next door to Jane, on the other side, was Henry Gilbert, another believed son. Three houses from Henry was his daughter Catesy Gilbert and her husband Hiram Dockery. Next to them was John Gilbert, a son or nephew of Thomas Gilbert. Three houses further away was Lemuel O. Gilbert's widow Susan(na) (Jones) Gilbert. Lemuel also believed to be Thomas Gilbert's son.
  • The Old Harmony Baptist Church minutes show Jane Gilbert as an original member of the church. Many early members of the church were Thomas Gilbert's children including believed sons Lemuel, Jilson and Thomas W. and daughters Rhody and Docia. There was no known Jane Gilbert old enough to be an original member of the church except the Jane Gilbert shown in the 1840 census to have been born in the 1760's.
  • Proving nothing, but adding a bit of weight to the argument, the following believed children all named daughters Jane: George, Catherine (Littlefield), and Desdemona (Shuffield). Believed son Henry C. Gilbert named a daughter Nancy Jane. Believed son Henry C. Gilbert named a daughter Mary Jane. Other children had daughters whose names are unknown and well could have been Jane.

Proof For Proposed Children

Unfortunately, Thomas and his brothers, built their families in an age before children's names were listed in censi, the primary method of identifying them. Basically, any Gilbert who was of age to be Thomas Gilbert's child and moved to the northeastern Alabama Counties of Benton, Cherokee, Dekalb and St. Clair in the period between 1820 and 1840 has been assigned, without proof, as a child of Thomas Gilbert. While those listed below were all from Spartanburg County, South Carolina and all related to Thomas Gilbert, they weren't necessarily all his children. For instance, George W. Gilbert may have been a nephew of Thomas' brother George, or his brother Daniel Gilbert Jr.

You are referred to each child's (listed below) profile page to the section entitled "Proof of Parentage", which lists the reasons they are believed to be children of Thomas Gilbert. The list below appears to include too many sons. Those who were not his sons, would, without doubt, have been nephews. His proposed children are:

  1. William Gilbert born c. 1785.
  2. George W. Gilbert born before 1790.
  3. Elizabeth "Betsy" Jane (Gilbert) Littlefield born c 1792.
  4. Obadiah Gilbert Obadiah Gilbert born c. 1795.
  5. Henry Calphey Gilbert born c. 1797
  6. Jilson O. Gilbert born c 1800–01.
  7. Lemuel O. Gilbert born c 1802–04.
  8. John C. Gilbert Gilbert born 1805 per two censi.
  9. Docia (Gilbert) Dunaway born 9 Aug 1805.
  10. Destimony (Gilbert) Shuffield born c. 1806.
  11. Pleasant Gilbert born c. 1809.
  12. Thomas W. Gilbert born c. 1809.
  13. Mary Rebecca (Gilbert) McBrayer born Nov 28, 1816.

Note: Unless there are multiple sets of twins, or incorrect dates on censi, there appear to be conflicts in ages that may indicate some proposed children are really nieces or nephews.

Debated and Incorrect Claims Previously placed in this Profile

Middle Name

For decades, Thomas has been listed with the middle name Felix. I have letters, a quarter century old, from other genealogists, using the name Felix and don't disbelieve it could be correct. However, none of the more than twenty records we have located contain a middle name, or initial. While Felix is found in a multitude of information printed on the internet, none of it contains a factual source supporting the inclusion. Because of that, the name Felix has been removed from this profile. However, we are still seeking records on Thomas, some believed to be in our possession. If we find a record supporting a middle name or initial, we will enter it into this profile.

Virginia Marriage

There is no evidence of the identity of Thomas Gilbert's spouse. There is no known evidence of Thomas’ place and date of marriage, although one party has submitted an alleged marriage record and pedigree chart as evidence he was married in 1789 in Virginia. This is problematic, since Thomas was in the 1790 census for Spartanburg District, South Carolina with two children listed under the age of ten. This would have required him to move two states away and have two children within one year. No evidence supports the children being twins.

The source of the claim was an Ancestry database, “U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900”, which is a tainted database, because it mixes good records with unsupported claims. Ancestry includes the following disclaimer with the database report: "the information was derived from an array of materials including pedigree charts, family history articles, querie." So, they are mixing unsupported claims with actual marriage records to develop the database. With the submitted claim, there was no information given as to the Virginia County where the marriage allegedly occurred. If, a factual marriage, that information would be important to judge the likelihood that the marriage was for this Thomas Gilbert, or another. But, ultimately we must assume that the original source for the illogical claim was an undocumented source like a pedigree chart.

Alleged spouse Mary Jane Wallace

Unfortunately, almost nothing is known about Thomas Gilbert's wife. She was consistently labeled only as Jane, by earlier researchers (see proof of spouse) based on a census and church record. However, lack of any evidence of her identity hasn't stopped people from trying to fill the void by creating a maiden name and history.

It has been asserted, with absolutely no proof, that a woman named Mary Jane Wallace married Thomas Gilbert. A Findagrave memorial was created in recent years for an alleged Mary Jane (Wallace) Gilbert that shows a picture of a grave marker placed more than a century after Mrs Gilbert's demise. And that stone only identified her as Jane Gilbert. Neither Mary, nor Wallace, were mentioned on the stone. Nowhere on the memorial page is any proof listed for Jane's maiden name, or parentage. So, the findagrave site offers no evidence to support the claim and is an invalid source anyway, because the gravestone was merely a memorial placed well over a century after the death and no other evidence was cited for the memorial’s claims. We believe the story of the Wallace claim came from an undocumented pedigree page and was recopied on Ancestry.com and elsewhere including the Findagrave memorial page.

G. Pinson (Pinson-796) backtracked the Mary Jane Wallace claim and her multiple sets of alleged parents. He found no data, or logic, supporting any claim. In one case, her alleged father was William Wallace based only on a Scottish christening record for William. No record showed William even coming to America, let alone having a daughter Mary Jane. Another rendition claimed, but did not prove, the Wallaces lived in a county adjacent to Campbell County, Virginia. While the counties were adjacent, there is no proof Thomas ever traveled to the next county. Or, that he even married in Virginia, since his father moved to South Carolina circa 1784, when Thomas was in his mid to late teens.

Since, there was absolutely no evidence supporting Mary Jane Wallace as Thomas Gilbert's spouse, she was detached as wife and mother of his children, with the knowledge she could later be reattached if suitable evidence was submitted. This was done to preserve the heritage of Thomas Gilbert's true wife and to provide descendants with an honest story of their ancestors.

Residence

It has been claimed that Thomas lived in Amherst County, Virginia based on the 1783 Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index for Virginia, which substituted certain tax lists in various counties for the 1790 census for Virginia which was destroyed by fire. However, in 1783, Thomas' parents were living in Campbell County Virginia or Spartanburg County, South Carolina or points in between. At any rate, Thomas was not yet of the age of majority and would not have been enumerated by name in any such census. Thomas Gilbert was a very common name and obviously, this record was for a different Thomas Gilbert.

It has also been claimed based on a property tax substitute for the 1800 U.S. Census for Virginia, that Thomas was living in the District of Fredricksville Parish, Albemarle County, Virginia in 1799. However, Thomas was in the process of obtaining 228 acres of patent land on Bartons Creek, Spartanburg County, South Carolina in 1798 and 1799. And in 1800, he was in the Spartanburg County, South Carolina census with stats indicating he had a wife and 4 children in his household. Grasping at straws, someone might contend that after obtaining his land in Spartanburg, Thomas left his wife and children and traveled from western South Carolina to Northern Virginia, to a place where he'd never been, to pay property taxes he didn't owe. However, it's much more likely the Fredericksburg Gilbert was a different person.

A census record was attached to this profile purporting that Thomas was residing in Amherst County, Virginia where he appeared in the 1820 census. Perhaps this was the same person claimed to have been married there in 1793 (see below)? At any rate, Thomas Gilbert of this profile was living in Spartanburg County, South Carolina and appeared there in the 1820 census with stats that meshed with those of his 1810 Spartanburg County household. Again, the Amherst Thomas Gilbert was obviously a different person.

Claimed Military Service

A record dated 31 OCT 1793 has been cited claiming Thomas Gilbert served in the military in Washington County, Georgia. However records prove Thomas was in Spartanburg District, South Carolina with a wife and 2 sons in 1790 and added three other children by the 1800 census. He was also proven to be in Spartanburg District in 1798. Washington County, Georgia was far removed from Spartanburg and it is probable the record was not his. The records citation was given as:

Source: National Archives and Records Administration (NARA); Washington, D.C.; Compiled Service Records of Volunteer Soldiers Who Served from 1784 to 1811 197 Name: Page National Archives and Records Administration (NARA); Washington, D.C.; Compiled Service Records of Volunteer Soldiers Who Served from 1784 to 1811.

Gilbert's Landing

I distinctly remember reading that Thomas Gilbert established a Ferry service after moving to St. Clair County, Alabama. The location was at a place later called Gilbert's landing. I remember several sources for this, but until I locate a valid source citation, this information won't be entered into the biography. Update 8/8/2022: I found a jpg. picture labeled "Crossing Gilbert Ferry" in my records. This was not a "Showboat" paddlewheeler but more a rope pulled raft, which at the time of the photo (unknown) had a wagon and buggy on it. The picture was undoubtedly taken decades after Thomas' death. Still seeking the story and a reference. G. Pinson (Pinson-796)

Census Data and Notes

1790 U.S. census for Spartanburg County South Carolina

Thomas Gilbert 1,2,1,0,0

  • 1 male over 16 (Thomas)
  • 1 female (Jane, wife of Thomas?)
  • 2 males under 16 (William? and George?)
  • Samuel Gilbert 1,0,1,0,0
  • Wm Gordon
  • Garvis Gilbert 1,0,4?,0,0
  • Daniel Gilbert 3,4?,5,0,0

Notes:

  • This 1790 Census was Page 33. In familysearch.org it’s sheet 9 of 11. The names above were in sequence, without interruption. So, Thomas was next to Samuel Gilbert, a proven son of Daniel Gilbert Sr who was only 4 doors away. Another brother Garvis (aka Jarvis) Gilbert was only 3 doors away)
  • Column key left to right: Free white males 16 years and upward. Free white males under 16 years. Free white females. All other free persons. Slaves.
  • The number listed as 4? for both Garvis and his father, Daniel, could have been a 4 or a 2. The number appeared to be a composite of those numbers.
  • Samuel was a proven son from a deed stating so. He was childless in this census and undoubtedly, the youngest of the three sons shown.
  • Garvis was 16, or older (born by 1774). Obviously much older and appears to have three daughters by this census. He was probably Daniel Gilbert Sr.'s eldest son and named after his paternal grandfather.
  • Thomas Gilbert was another of Daniel's older sons. One of the two males (under 16) in his house is believed to have been William Gilbert and the other may have been George W. Gilbert, although he is claimed by some to have been Thomas' nephew, not son.
  • There were a bunch of Morris families immediately before. Various Morris' appeared on multiple deeds with the Gilberts. Perhaps a Gilbert wife was a Morris?
  • On the page prior, (page 32) was found: George Gilbert (sic) 1,1,3,_,_ (last two numbers cut off page). Two doors from George is Thos. Gore who was on a Gilbert deed. George Gilbert is viewed as another of Daniel Gilbert's older sons.

1800 U.S. census for Spartanburg County South Carolina

Dan Gilbert (listed page 175)

  • one male over 45 (b. pre 1755)
  • one female over 45
  • one male 26-45 (b. 1755-74)
  • two males 16-26 (b. 1774-84)
  • one female 16-26
  • one female 10-16

Thomas Gilbert (listed page 175, 6 houses later) <<<<<<<<

  • one male 26-45 (b. 1755-74)
  • one female 26-45 (b. 1755-74)
  • one male 10-16 (b. 1784-90)
  • two males to 10 (b. 1790-1800)
  • one female to 10 (b. 1790-1800)

Jervis Gilbert (listed page 175, 6 houses later)

  • one male over 45 (b. pre 1755)
  • one female 26-45
  • two females 10-16
  • one female to 10

Daniel Gilbert JR. (listed page 175, 4 houses later)

  • one male 26-45 (b. 1755-74)
  • one female 26-45
  • three males 10-16 (b. 1784-90)
  • two males to 10 (b. 1790-1800)
  • one female 10-16
  • two females to 10

Mark Gilbert (listed page 175, 5 houses later)

  • one male 26-45 (b. 1755-74)
  • one female 26-45

Samuel Gilbert (listed page 175, next house)

  • one male 26-45 (b. 1755-74)
  • one female 26-45
  • two males to 10 (b. 1790-1800)
  • one female 10-16
  • two females to 10

George Gilbert (listed page 176, 52 houses later)

  • one male 26-45 (b. 1755-74)
  • one female 26-45
  • one male 16-26 (b. 1774-84)
  • two males 10-16 (b. 1784-90)
  • two males to 10 (b. 1790-1800)
  • one female 10-16
  • one female to 10

Note:

  • No Gilbert HOH departed from 1790 Census. "New" HOH from 1790 Census are: Dan Gilbert Jr. and Mark Gilbert.
  • Daniel Gilbert Sr is the first listed and his son, Daniel Jr., the fourth. All the other Gilberts listed are known, or strongly believed to have been Daniel Gilbert Sr's' sons. Once again, George Gilbert is an outlier, but the other Gilberts are not far apart, as indicated by the house spacing notation by their names.
  • Note the 26-45 year old male in Daniel Gilbert Sr's' household. A son, or son in law? Isaiah Gilbert?
  • Pay attention to the children's age in each household as the proof for Thomas Gilbert's children is extremely thin and in some cases may be the children of one, or more, of his brothers.

1810 U.S. census for Spartanburg County, South Carolina

Thomas Gilbert:

  • 1 male age 26-45 (Thomas. Born 1765-1784)
  • 1 female age 26-45 (Jane wife of Thomas?)
  • 2 males age 10-16 (Obadiah? and Henry?)
  • 3 males age 0-10 (Jilson, John and Thomas?)
  • 2 females age 0-10 (Desdemona (Desdimony) and Docia?).

Notes: To be added. 8/6/2022

1820 U.S. census for Spartanburg County, South Carolina

Thomas Gilbird (sic):

  • 1 male over age 45 (Thomas. Born 1775, or earlier)
  • 1 female over age 45 (Jane, wife of Thomas?)
  • 1 male age 26-45 (Obadiah?)
  • 1 female age 16-26 (unidentified daughter or daughter-in-law ?),
  • 2 males age 16-26 (Henry and Jilson?)
  • 1 male age 16-18 (John C?)
  • 1 male age 10-16 (Thomas W?)
  • 2 females age 10-16 (Desdemona (Desdimony) and Docia?).

Notes: To be added. 8/6/2022

1830 U.S. census for St Clair County, Alabama

Thomas Gilberts:

  • 1 male over age 60-70 (Thomas. Born 1760-70)
  • 1 female age 60-70 (wife of Thomas)
  • 1 male age 20-30
  • 1 female age 20-30
  • 1 female age 15-20.
  • 2 males age 5-10
  • 2 males age 0-5

Notes: page 233. Thomas and his wife in their 60's so the 4 younger males must be grandchildren as maybe the female in her late teens. The male and the female in their 20's are likely a married couple and if so, only one of them would be Thomas' child. Two doors away was Jehu Littlefield who was married to Catherine Gilbert. She was either a daughter, or niece of Thomas Gilbert. More notes to be added.

1840 U.S. Census for St. Clair County, Alabama

  • Thomas Gilbert 12200100....:1001(partially erased) 011(this 1 almost entirely erased.
  • William Littlefield 1000100....:000100....
  • Jane Gilbert 0001 (partially erased) 00000100...:001000000100.... <<<<<<<
  • Henry Gilbert 100100100...: 021(erased 1)00100....
  • David Martin 0000100....:100100....
  • Peter Weyman Jr.
  • Hiram Dockery 000100000100...:00120000100...
  • John Gilbert 000000100...:000(erased 2)00100....
  • Leviri? Adamy?
  • Rufus W. Wright
  • Susan Gilbert 1100....:112(erased2)01
  • John Mained
  • Wm Morgan 1000100....:0010
  • James Jones 00000100....:000.... (single man in his 30's)
  • Hugh Jones 1000100...:2000100....
  • Wm Jones 0100100....:010(erased1)100...
  • Rosanna Hill
  • Pleasant Gilbert 21000100....:110(erased1)100...
  • John C. Gilbert 11001100...:010(erased1)0100...
  • Lemuel Millikin 001000100....:0101000....

Next page, in order:

  • Jilson Gilbert 02120100...:201001100...
  • Edmund Jones 01110000100....:001000100.....
  • Charles Bass
  • James Lister
  • Wm Dockery
  • Hiram Dockery Jr.
  • James McPauldly?
  • John K. Gilchrist?
  • Wm Dunaway 110100100....:112101000100....

Notes: [1]

This uninterupted series of Gilberts, kin and associates starts with the 11th family listed on the census page and ends with the 30th and last family.

  • Thomas Gilbert: This is Thomas W. Gilbert and his wife Rutha Cunningham. He was believed to be the son of Thomas Gilbert (Gilbert-3373).
  • Wm Littlefield: This is the son of William Littlefield II and Rebecca Hannah Bryant. Wm III's wife was Betsy Jane Gilbert, believed to be a daughter of Thomas Gilbert (Gilbert-3373).
  • Jane Gilbert; This is probably the source of the belief that Thomas Gilbert's (Gilbert-3373) unidentified wife was named Jane. Jane appears to be in her 70's (born 1760's) with a like aged male in her household. Could the male have been her husband Thomas Gilbert (Gilbert-3373), perhaps cognitively impaired forcing Jane to be household head?
  • Henry Gilbert: This is Henry Calphy Gilbert believed son of Thomas Gilbert (Gilbert-3373) and Henry's wife Rhoda Littlefield, daughter of William Littlefield II and Rebecca Hannah Bryant.
  • David Martin: He married Henry and Rhoda Gilbert's daughter Nancy Jane Gilbert. The little girl in their household is Polly Ann Martin born c 1840.
  • Peter Weyman Jr. No knowledge of him.
  • Hiram Dockery: The Dockerys were also from Spartanburg County, S.C. There were several Hiram Dockery's in St Clair. A this one married Henry and Rhoda Gilbert's daughter Catesy Gilbert. Another Hiram Dockery would marry Zilpha Scott who was famous for living in three centuries and 107 years (born 1796). The Scotts were also from Spartanburg and Zilpha's much younger sister Francis married Daniel Gilbert (Gilbert-3122) of neighboring Cherokee and later Dekalb, county Alabama. Daniel the son of George and Nancy (Littlefield) Gilbert. George was either the son, or nephew, of Thomas Gilbert (Gilbert-3373). Nancy was another daughter of William Littlefield II and Rebecca Hannah Bryant.
  • John Gilbert: Both John and his wife in their 40's with no children. John was another suspected son of Thomas Gilbert (Gilbert-3373), although he may have been a nephew.
  • Leviri? Adamy? Couldn't read name. Large family. No known connection.
  • Rufus W. Wright: No known connection.
  • Susan Gilbert: This is Lemuel O. Gilbert's widow. She would remarry to Lemuel Millikin in 1843. The census shows: 1 female age 30-40 (Susan), 1 male age 5-10 (Lemuel?), 1 male under age 5 (George?), 2 females age 10-15 (Narcissa and Elizabeth?), 1 female age 5-10 (Mariah?), 1 female under age 5 (Sarah?). The names of these six children came from Thomas W. Gilbert, adminstrator of Lemuel O. Gilbert's estate, in an 1868 list of Lemuel's heirs.
  • Wm Morgan: A William J. Morgan is said to have married Desdemona Littlefield daughter of Catharine Gilbert and Jehue Littlefield. Catharine was believed to be a Thomas Gilbert (Gilbert-3373). Jehue the son of William Littlefield II and Rebecca Hannah Bryant.
  • James, Hugh and Wm Jones: These are probably kin of Lemuel Gilbert's widow, Susanna (Jones) Gilbert. Brothers, or first cousins? Susanna was claimed to be the daughter of Edmund Jones Sr an important figure in the Gilbert/Littlefield clans Baptist Church.
  • Pleasant Gilbert: Pleasant has generally been considered a son of Thomas Gilbert (Gilbert-3373). However, he may have been a nephew. So, he was undoubtedly a brother, or first cousin, of Lemuel O. Gilbert.
  • John C. Gilbert: This John Gilbert (see notes above for the other) has generally been considered a son of Thomas Gilbert (Gilbert-3373). It appears that if that is the case, the other John Gilbert was a nephew of said Thomas Gilbert.
  • Lemuel Millikin: In 1843, he would become the second husband of Lemuel's widowed wife, Susanna Jones. The couple is shown in Paulding County Georgia in the 1850 U.S. census with three of Lemuel's children bearing the name Millican.
  • Jilson Gilbert: Yet another believed son of Thomas Gilbert (Gilbert-3373).
  • Edmund Jones: Claimed to be the father of Susanna (Jones) Gilbert, widow of Lemuel O. Gilbert. Edmund is shown in his 60's (born 1770's).
  • Wm and Hiram (Jr) Dockery: The Dockerys, like the Gilberts, came from Spartanburg County South Carolina to St. Clair County, Alabama. The families were associated in many varied ways.
  • Wm Dunaway: His wife was Docia Gilbert, daughter of Thomas Gilbert (Gilbert-3373).


Sources for Time Line and Census Data sections

(To be integrated with other sources once data entry is done and bad and non-relevant sources are eliminated)

  • (1)1790 U.S. census for Spartanburg District, South Carolina. Thomas Gilbert Household.
  • (2)South Carolina Patent Land Survey Indexed Of Land Acquisitions 1770-1820 Located In Greenville County, Laurens County, Newberry County, Spartanburg County, Union County, Parts Of The Old Ninety Six District. Compiled by Alma Spires Smith & Jean Smith Owens. Greenville, S.C. A Press, 1978. Citing Book D:405 Spartanburg County (District) South Carolina Deeds.
  • (3)1799 Jacob Smith Plat for 228 acres on Bartons Creek, Spartanburg County, South Carolina.
  • (4)1800 U.S. census for Spartanburg District, South Carolina. Thomas Gilbert Household.
  • (5)1802 William Morris Plat for 456 acres on Bartons Creek, Spartanburg County, South Carolina.
  • (6) Spartanburg County (District) South Carolina Deed Book I:256.
  • (7) Spartanburg County (District) South Carolina Deed Book L:94.
  • (8) Spartanburg County (District) South Carolina Deed Book K:193.
  • (9) Spartanburg County (District) South Carolina Deed Book K:?.
  • (10) Spartanburg County (District) South Carolina Deed Book M:48.
  • (12)1810 U.S. census for Spartanburg County, South Carolina. Thomas Gilbert Household.
  • (13) 1812 Thomas Gilbert Plat for 22 acres on Bartons Creek, Spartanburg County, South Carolina.
  • (14) Spartanburg County (District) South Carolina Deed Book O:34.
  • (15) Spartanburg County (District) South Carolina Deed Book P:171.
  • (16) Spartanburg County (District) South Carolina Deed Book P:170.
  • (17)1820 U.S. census for Spartanburg County, South Carolina. Thomas Gilbert Household.
  • (18) USA General Land Office Patent Certificate #905 for Thomas Gilbert of St Clair County, Alabama: Land described as: The fractional section 5 in Township 13 of Range 6E in the District of Huntsville and State of Alabama containing 115.16 acres.
  • (19) USA General Land Office Patent Certificate #1483 for Thomas Gilbert of St Clair County, Alabama. Land described as: The east half of the NW quarter of section 1 in Township 13 of Range 5E in the District of Huntsville and State of Alabama containing 80.17 acres.
  • (20)1830 U.S. census for St. Clair County, Alabama. Thomas Gilbert Household.
  • (21)1840 U.S. census for St. Clair County, Alabama. Neither, Thomas nor his widow are shown and are believed to have died prior to the census.
  • (22) Alabama County Creation Dates and Parent Counties. Familysearch.com (LDS church). This reference may be viewed at: https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Alabama_County_Creation_Dates_and_Parent_Counties

Sources

  1. 1840 U.S. Census for St. Clair County, Alabama. Susan Gilbert household. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYYN-S8BC?cc=1786457&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AXHB4-5ZT
  • Virginia, Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1607-1890 (Provo, UT, USA.
  • U.S. Census Reconstructed Records, 1660-1820 (Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011). Provo, UT, USA.
  • U.S., Indexed Early Land Ownership and Township Plats, 1785-1898 (Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011).
  • Public Land Survey Township Plats, compiled 1789–1946, documenting the period 1785–1946. NARA microfilm publication T1234, 67 rolls.
  • Records of the Bureau of Land Management, 1685–2006, Record Group 49. National Archives and Records Administration, Washington, D.C.
  • U.S. Compiled Service Records, Post-Revolutionary War Volunteer Soldiers, 1784-1811 (Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011).
  • Compiled Service Records of Volunteer Soldiers Who Served from 1784 to 1811. NARA microfilm publication M905, 32 rolls. Records of the Adjutant General’s Office, 1762–1984, Record Group 94. National Archives and Records Administration, Washington, D.C.

Invalid Sources

  • Find A Grave: Memorial #27046222 for "Thomas Felix Gilbert (1767–1841)". While this memorial does show a photo of a gravestone, said stone was erected by a believed descendant more than a century after Thomas' death. There is no picture of a gravestone placed near the time of death, nor any other data cited to support its claims. The death date listed was probably mistranscribed from a source that listed the death before 1841 (not 1841) as Thomas did not appear in the 1840 St. Clair Alabama census, leading to the belief he died prior to the census. The wife listed is based on a discredited claim. So, while a nice memorial, and a kind gesture by everyone involved, the memorial offers no factual data.

The following source citations don't explain what they are for, or how to find them. They are therefore of LIMITED use to researchers studying Thomas Gilbert:

  • AMTID 420170810206:1030:117855354. [An "AMTID" is an internal person identifier placed by Ancestry.com (or other Ancestry, Inc. sites) into GEDCOM records.]




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So far, I cannot see any source to support a middle name of Felix nor how it is thought it is the same Thomas in Alabama in 1840.
posted by Chris Gilbert
Chris

Genealogists gave Thomas the middle name Felix many decades ago. I've never found a record with the name, but it may be grounded in oral tradition. That's great if the source was someone close to him...a child or grandchild and we can document the source. The name Felix is found in this branch of Gilberts and possibly someone in the past dubbed him with that name. After that, it's just recopied infinitum.

I am a profound skeptic, but don't doubt he was the same Thomas Gilbert in the 1790-1810 Spartanburg Census. It's a complicated explanation, but the belief is mainly grounded in many relationships carried from Spartanburg S.C. to northeast Alabama. Many allied families also moved from Spartanburg like the Dockerys, Littlefields, Scotts etc and intermarried with the Gilberts there. Also, there was a bit of oral history supporting it. In other words, those who have deeply studied the Northeast Alabama Gilberts in the 1820-1900 "get it" and those that don't, even if they are a great genealogist like yourself, won't grasp it without a lot of explanation. It's the same as if I all at once had to make heads, or tails, of a bunch of Gilberts in one of the Shires of England.

posted by Gary Pinson
Not sure that even using Thomas F Gilbert in the bio sentences makes sense unless any source actually has the "f". Sometimes we see these middle names when people confuse records for 2 people with the names they think are the same person.... Anyway if you think early genealogists may have had a source for a middle name for someone back that far, then fine but sounds suspicious to me given its absence from any records.
posted by Chris Gilbert
edited by Chris Gilbert
Absolutely. You are right on top of things as always. I thought I had an answer that the F. was used in a land record, probably one of the Alabama patents, but looking at my notes again, I find no F. Perhaps, I was eager to strip the unproven Felix, but leave the F as appeasement, rather than going the full monty on them.

We can take out the F and later put it in if and when I find the record for it. As I said, there could be an oral history reason for it, but we can't embellish based on a perhaps. Seems like we had that conversation yesterday.

posted by Gary Pinson
edited by Gary Pinson
BTW: Only the name label shows in profile mode. But in edit mode there is also a DNA label. You might want to check it.
posted by Gary Pinson
edited by Gary Pinson
It is correct. There needs to be the 2 categories: one as a descendant of Rev Michael and one because Thomas is an ancestor of a Y-DNA participant in the Gilbert DNA project.

I have removed all the middle F initials and marked Felix as uncertain with a note in the initial intro

posted by Chris Gilbert
before I read this message, I deleted the name Felix and placed an entry about the unproven name in the "Debatable claims..." section. It can always be reinstated if we obtain valid proof. Of course, the unsourced findagrave memorial is not proof.
posted by Gary Pinson