John Gragg
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John Gragg (abt. 1690 - abt. 1758)

John Gragg aka Gregg
Born about in Coleraine, County Londonderry, Ulster, Irelandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Brother of [half], [half], [half], [half], [half], [half], [half], [half], [half] and [half]
Husband of — married 1714 in Irelandmap
Descendants descendants
Died about at about age 68 in Augusta County, Virginia, British Colonial Americamap
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Ireland Native
John Gragg was born in Ireland.
This profile is part of the Gragg Name Study.

Contents

Biography

John Gregg 1690-1758: John Gregg (1690-1758) immigrated to America in the early 1700's. He first settled in Paxtang [note], Cumberland Co. Pennsylvania and later moved to Augusta Co., Virginia. He was born in Coleraine, County Londonderry, Ulster, Ireland, later moving to Waterford Co., Ireland. He married Nancy Ann Wood, dau. of William Wood. John and Nancy had William, John, Thomas, Robert, Andrew and Elizabeth. John "the Quaker" followed William Penn to the USA to buy land to farm and raise his family. [note: Paxtang is now a suburb of Harrisburg, PA][1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]

Note

Elizabeth Cooke Gregg removed as wife of John Gregg (Gragg-454). She is the wife of John Henry Gregg (Gregg-481). These are two completely different families. (db-03Sep2018)

Caveat 1

***Note: Although the majority of documentation (of which there is scant to begin with) on ‘John Gregg/Gragg’ (my direct lineage 7th Great Grandfather) provides the “E” as the dominant spelling from Ireland and into America; after coming to America (Pennsylvania to Virginia and beyond) the two (‘E’ and ‘A’) became virtually interchangeable, until (in my lineage) it became “A” as the dominant, and not “E” for the descending 7 generations. So, the question becomes “Should it be ‘E’ or ‘A’ on the last name of John (1690-1758)? Is this really relevant, given that they have become interchangeable, and some lines go with one, as other lines adopted the other? Should the lineage that has retained the “E” believe that they are somehow superior, to those who retained the “A”? The logical answer would seem to be ‘either’, ‘or’! Which, when faced with the fact that it should actually be “MacGregor”! ***

Caveat 2

***Note: There is scant to no material evidence that John was the child of John Gregg and Elizabeth Cooke”! ***

Caveat 3

***Note: I found this information at 'Clan Gregor DNA Project - Results' while looking for information of the parents of John Gregg/Gragg (b.1690): (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/macgregor/default.aspx?section=results) "99546 descends John Gragg born Antrim, Northern Ireland, c1690 6979 is descended from Thomas Gregg c1805-1871 Co Tipperary, Ireland. This family is now in the US" I think they meant that Thomas Gregg was descended from John, as John was born before Thomas. I also found this: "81282 Earliest known ancestor is John Gragg(Gregg) born in 1690,county of Antrim,Ireland. He died in 1758 in Augusta ,Virginia. He married Nancy Ann Wood in 1717 in Cumberland Co, Pennsylvania. They had five known children- Thomas, Margaret, John F, Robert, and William Obediah. My family branch descends from Robert Gragg."

John Gregg (Gragg)

Born - 1690 in Londonderry, Antrim, Ulster, Northern Ireland [10][11][12][13]
Died - 1758 in Augusta County, Virginia, U.S.A[14]
Arrived in America - 1747[15][16][17]

U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s about John Gregg

Name: John Gregg
Arrival Year: 1747
Arrival Place: Virginia
Source Publication Code: 8715
Primary Immigrant: Gregg, John
Annotation: Records of many persons, collected from many sources, and provided by many correspondents. Includes 948 more references than are available in no. 8400, Sherwood. Note: the title page names Smith only, but the cover has David W. Gardner as well as Smith as
Source Bibliography: SMITH, FRANK. Immigrants to America Appearing in English Records. Logan, Utah: Everton Publishers, 1976. 117p.
Page: 85

Marriage

Name: John Gregg
Gender: Male
Spouse: Nancy Gregg
Child: John Gregg[18]"John Gregg married Nancy Ann Wood, daughter of William Wood; removed to Augusta County, Virginia, in 1750, and died in Augusta County, in 1758" .[19]

There is no documented factual evidence for John Gregg and Elizabeth Cooke being the actual parents of John Gragg (this descendant wishes we had hard evidence) ... Further, according to "Gragg Descent" ~ Geoge Robert Gragg 1978, CHAPTER XIII JOHN GREGG C1690-1758, the evidence is sketchy as to when and where John Gragg/Gregg and his sons came to America. This is also corroborated by Hazel M. Kendall, author of "Gregg Foundations". Both of which did exhaustive research into these families. What we do know, is borne out in the validated evidence below; John Gregg, the progenitor of some the Gregg/Gragg's in America, was first recorded, with his children (father of Thomas, John, Robert, William and Margaret) in Cumberland Pennsylvania. We can then trace his other descendants from there![20]

John Gregg Of Cumberland County Although not completely documented, there is substantial evidence that the author's 4th great-grandfather was John Gregg, who has been mentioned, with his family, emigrated to America from Ireland, probably in the 1740s. From "Chronicles Of The Scotch-Irish Settlement In Virginia", by Chalkley: Augusta County, Virginia, court records - May, 1753, Bourland vs. Whitaker and Wife - "James Bourland complains that defendant said 'William Gragg can prove James Bourland a dog thief in Pennsylvania (meaning that one William Gragg informed the defendant that the plaintiff in Pennsylvania had stole dogs) and that William Gragg could prove it' ". Note - William Gragg was the son of John Gregg. Also the spelling of Gregg/Gragg was used interchangeably at that time.[21]

"The earliest known progenitor of our Gragg family, with certainty, is Robert Gragg of Augusta County, Virginia , and later of Greene County, Tennessee. Robert i s assumed to be the son of John Gregg. Much of the history of his ancestors i s buried in obscurity. According to family tradition , John Gregg was the father of Thomas, John, Robert, William, and Margaret." [22]

"Robert Gragg (ca.1732-1796), assumed to be the son of Irish immigrant John Gregg (ca.1690-1758), immigrated with his father and mother in the early 1740s to Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, moving to Augusta County, Virginia in the 1750s. Robert Gragg and his family moved to Greene County, Tennessee in 1787/1788. Descendants and relatives lived in Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri, Kansas, Texas and elsewhere."[23]

Arrival in Virginia 1747 (Age 58)."[24]

Augusta County Virginia Information Source[25]

John Gregg born about 1690 is believed to be the first Gregg/Gragg to come to the New World. Although this is not documented it is assumed. Robert Gragg is thought to be the son of John Gregg. According to family tradition, John Gregg was the father of Thomas, John, Robert, William and Margaret. This branch of the Graggs came from Scotland by way of Ireland. They came from Ireland to Cumberland County, Pennsylvania; John Gregg married Nancy Anne Wood, daughter of William Wood. They moved to Augusta County, Virginia in 1750, John died in Augusta County, in 1758.

John Gregg had 5 known children:

A) Thomas Gragg born 1715 in Northern Ireland died 1773. Thomas Gragg came from Ireland with his sons: Henry and William, and was of Scottish ancestry. Thomas Gragg had the following children and grandchildren:
1) William Gragg Sr. born 1737,established by Augusta County, Virginia, court records, married Mary Dunkle and Margaret Johnson.William Gragg Sr. died 24 January 1795. children of Mary Dunkle and William Gragg Sr.
a.William Gragg Jr.
b.Hannah Gragg child of Margaret Johnson and William Gragg Sr.
c.Samuel Gragg married 1785 to Ann Black daughter of Walter Black.
2)Henry Gragg, according to court records removed to Nickolas County Kentucky and died there in 1819.
B) John Gragg, little is known about John Gragg, son of John Gragg but he was probably born in Northern Ireland. children and grandchildren of John Gragg and Jane McCullock:
a. John Gragg
i.John F.Gragg
ii.Permelian Gragg
iii.Hiram Gragg
iv.Elisha Gragg
v.Washington Gragg
iv.William B. Gragg
b. Samuel Gragg
c. Robert Gragg

Augusta County court records show that John and his family moved to Pulaski County,Kentucky in1756.

C) Robert Gragg
D) William Gragg
E) Margaret Gragg[26]

John Gragg Our Ancester

JOHN GREGG 1690-1758

From book GRAGG DESCENT by George Robert Gragg

The earliest known progenitor of our Gragg family, with cer­tainty, is Robert Gragg of Augusta County, Virginia, and later of Greene County, Tennessee. Robert is assumed to be the son of John Gregg. Much of the history of his ancestors is buried in ob­scurity. According to family tradition, John Gregg was the father of Thomas, John, Robert, William, and Margaret.

There is no proof or disproof of this tradition. After several years of exhaustive research, it is most disappointing not to com­pletely document dates and facts pertaining to this John Gregg. As previously stated, there is substantial evidence that after com­ing to America, he lived in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, for a period of years; that he and his family removed to Augusta County, Virginia, in the early 1750's; that he was born in North­ern Ireland, probably County Antrim. Through estimated dates of birth of some of his children, John was born about 1690.

The writer had considerable correspondence with Hazel M. Kendall, a Gregg descendant, and author of "Gregg Founda­tions," an extremely well documented treatise on the lineage of William Gregg, the Quaker. In compiling dates, and information for her book, which was published in 1944, Miss Kendall re­searched all possible sources in regard to the Greggs of America, and in the process, sorted out those which led to a complete pre­sentation of history, dates, and marriages of the lineage of Wil­liam Gregg, the Quaker.

Miss Kendall stated that our branch of the Greggs, came from Northern Ireland, to Cumberland County, Pennsylvania; that this John Gregg married Nancy Ann Wood, daughter of William Wood; removed to Augusta County, Virginia, in 1750, and died in Augusta County, in 1758.[27]

Extract from: Gregg Genealogy Report misc ref to John Gregg of Cumberland Co.

John Gragg, father of William Obidiah Gragg, Sr.

born ABT. 1690 in Londonderry, Northern Ireland or in Antrim, Ulster, North Ireland Married Nancy Ann Wood in about 1717 in Cumberland County, PA, or in 1724 or in 1714 ; John lived in Cumberland Co., PA after coming to America. Then he moved to Augusta Co., VA in early 1750's[28]

12. Cumberland County land warrants:

CUMBERLAND COUNTY
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1765

"JOHNSTON, Samuel for 300 acres adjoining David GLASS/GLAFS 7 Aug. Settled here 1761, on north by William MASON, East by John GREGG, South by Thomas HENRY and West by Alex SMITH."[29][30]

Frederick Co., VA Deed Book 10, page 349-352 Hannah Cook conveys to John Gregg of Cumberland Co., PA; 150 acres on No. Branch of Isaac Creek a branch of Back Creek; lease and release; signed 13 & 14 May ____ (transcription error; the actual deed says May 1765, not 1760 as the transcript said) (witnesses: Robt Gregg, G. W. Laubinger, Thos Wood, John McKamie), recorded 6 Jun 1765. Robert Gregg is present in court on 6 Jun 1765 to prove the deed. (Purchase price was 30 pounds)[31][32]

Frederick Co., VA Deed Book 11, page 128-130 John Gregg and Ann<Nancy-Ann> his wife of Frederick Co., Virginia convey to Mathew Harrison; 150 acres on No. Branch of Isaac Creek; lease and release; signed 4 & 5 Aug 1766, recorded 5 Aug 1766. (Sale price was 100 pounds)[33][34]

John Gregg Of Cumberland County Although not completely documented, there is substantial evidence that the author's 4th great-grandfather was John Gregg, who has been mentioned, with his family, emigrated to America from Ireland, probably in the 1740s. From "Chronicles Of The Scotch-Irish Settlement In Virginia", by Chalkley: Augusta County, Virginia, court records - May, 1753, Bourland vs. Whitaker and Wife - "James Bourland complains that defendant said 'William Gragg can prove James Bourland a dog thief in Pennsylvania (meaning that one William Gragg informed the defendant that the plaintiff in Pennsylvania had stole dogs) and that William Gragg could prove it' ". Note - William Gragg was the son of John Gregg. Also the spelling of Gregg/Gragg was used interchangeably at that time.[35]

"The earliest known progenitor of our Gragg family, with certainty, is Robert Gragg of Augusta County, Virginia , and later of Greene County, Tennessee. Robert is assumed to be the son of John Gregg. Much of the history of his ancestors i s buried in obscurity. According to family tradition, John Gregg was the father of Thomas, John, Robert, William, and Margaret." [36]

"Robert Gragg (ca.1732-1796), assumed to be the son of Irish immigrant John Gregg (ca.1690-1758), immigrated with his father and mother in the early 1740s to Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, moving to Augusta County, Virginia in the 1750s. Robert Gragg and his family moved to Greene County, Tennessee in 1787/1788. Descendants and relatives lived in Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri, Kansas, Texas and elsewhere."[37]

Arrival in Virginia 1747 (Age 58)[38]

Raw Biographical Data

Name

Name: John /Gragg/[39][40][41][42]

Birth

Birth:
Date: 1690
Place: County Antrim, Ireland

Death

Death:
Date: 1758
Place: August County, Virginia

Event

Event:
Type: Arrival
Date: 1712
Place: South Carolina[43]
Event:
Type: Arrival
Date: 1747
Place: Virginia[44]


Marriage

Husband: John Gragg
Wife: Nancy Ann Woods
Child: Thomas Gragg
Child: John F Gragg
Child: Henry Gragg
Child: Nancy Ann Gragg
Child: Samual Gragg
Child: Robert Gragg
Child: Thomas Henry Gregg
Child: @P338@
Child: William Obidiah Gragg
Child: William Gragg
Child: Margaret Gragg
Child: Henry Gregg
Child: Nancy Ann Gregg
Child: Thomas Gragg
Child: Jane E Gragg
Marriage: Date: 1714
Place: Cumberland, Pennsylvania, USA[45]

Marriage

Record ID Number: MH:F191
User ID: 82D2EEB9-1F90-44D2-ADFD-8AB4BDF731DF
Husband: John Gragg
Wife: Nancy Ann Woods
Child: Thomas Gragg
Child: Margaret Gragg
Child: John Gragg
Child: Patriot Robert Gragg
Child: William Sr Gragg
Source: #S12
Marriage:
User ID: 1A8D387B-FE6A-40EE-AD53-A6A9A479A5E3
Record ID Number: MH:FF122
Date: 1714

Clan Gregor History

Who are the MacGregor's[46]

Scots Irish Slavery

few people know of of the atrocities the Royalty and Rich in Great Briton levied upon the Scots and Irish citizens!

White Slavery: The Scottish Slaves of England and Americas

There were hundreds of thousands of Scots sold into slavery during Colonial America. White slavery to the American Colonies occurred as early as 1630 in Scotland.[47]

White Slavery, what the Scots already know (by: Kelly d. Whittaker)

"Alexander Stewart was herded off the Gildart in July of 1747, bound with chains. Stewart was pushed onto the auction block in Wecomica, St Mary’s County, Maryland." .[48]

SCOTTISH SLAVES IN AMERICA

"Ship Passenger Lists: National and New England (1600-1825)," Edited and Indexed by Carl Boyer III, Published by the Compiler, Newhall, California, 1977, Pages 164-171.[49]

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Title: 1870 Camden County Census Missouri Jackson Township Page 20
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Acknowledgments

  • This person was created through the import of pleeelliott1.GED on 13 April 2011.
  • Thank you to David Black for creating WikiTree profile Gragg-284 through the import of David_s Family Tree_Ancestry_26Jun2013.ged on Jul 23, 2013. Click to the Changes page for the details of edits by David and others.

Detail View Add Source Options View • Edit • Detach • Report Abuse • Tag 1 url http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/GREGG/2001-03/0983652622 Citation This is not definitive proof that John Gregg was not the baron of Glenarm.

From:Richard Huseth [SMTP:rhuseth (at) ev1.net] Sent:January 09, 2000 2:23 PM To:GREGG-L (at) rootsweb.com Subject:The Gregg Cane. etc. Notes ...Hazel May Middleton Kendall, in her book "Quaker Greggs," writes (page 16):

"Previous to the reign of Mary Stuart's son James I, 16031625 (known also as James VI of England) a curious rumor floated that a Scottish King would sympathize with Ireland because the Irish were the original 'Scots.' James I established circuits and a complete system of shires in northern Ireland. The English system was violently substituted. He had a mania for colonization. Thousands left Scotland for Nova Scotia and Ulster [in Ireland]. King James visited Scotland for the second time in 1617 after which whole communities of various clans were transplanted to Ulster. Among them were many Gregs from the clan Gregor. Their leader, a John Gregg, evidently descended from next to the oldest son of Black John of the Coat of Mail, received from King James I a silver-studded ivory-headed cane in esteem and appreciation of his influence and responsibility in the removal of the Gregs from Scotland to County Antrim, Ulster, about 1618."

I asked Sheila McGregor to comment on this story. As I noted in my previous message, Sheila, at that time, was associated with the Clan Gregor Centre in Edinburgh and appeared to be an expert in Scottish history (in general) and the MacGregors of Clan Gregor (in particular)... anyone who has read eight versions (three in Latin, two in Gaelic, and three in English) of the 16th century "Chronicles of Fortingall" probably qualifies as an expert witness. Sheila wrote: "I suspect Kendall of putting 2 and 2 together and making more than 4 out of it. James VI was in no mood to reward Greggs or Gregors for doing anything in 1618. He was still breathing fire and brimstone over this cursed clan, banning its name, enforcing worse and worse sanctions in an attempt to extirpate them root and branch, as one of his Acts puts it. If this is true, there ought to be some historical evidence to support it.

The [existence of the] cane is .. a fact. I have perhaps not given it enough weight. I also suspect some of the Clan were transported to Ireland, to work as slaves, before 1611, but this would be very different from the traditional story. There is IMO not the slightest chance of James VI looking on any member of this family with the slightest warmth, unless they were bringing him a bag of MacGregor heads. The going rate for them was half a crown, and if the head was of a more important person your own might be saved. His dislike of us can only be described as pathological."

... these are only the opinions of Sheila McGregor. There is no proof that [she] is correct. In fact, the only way to disprove Kendall's claim and the Gregg family oral history would be to find documentation of the "true" origin of the cane, which seems very unlikely. Therefore, those of you who wish to believe that the Gregg Cane was a gift from King James I/VI can take comfort in the fact that Sheila's statements are only her personal beliefs. Those of you who may doubt the story of the origin of the Gregg Cane can be bolstered by the expertise and beliefs of Sheila McGregor--we will probably never know for sure.

Kendall then continues (page 16) her story of the Greggs in Ireland:

"John Gregg was given and settled his people in the barony of Glenarm, County Antrim, Ireland, on the northeast coast."

And...on page 17:

"William Gregg, oldest son of John Gregg and a Presbyterian landholder, was forced to leave his inheritance of Glenarm Barony on the coast of County Antrim after May 1653."

... these statements imply that "John Gregg was given the barony of Glenarm" and that his son William inherited it about 1644. Such a reward would be far more valuable and noteworthy than a silver-studded ivory-headed cane and, if so, there should be some other documentation of this. The book "Civil War and Restoration in the Three Kingdoms" by Jane H. Ohlmeyer documents the history of the MacDonnell family in Antrim and Glenarm. Randal MacDonnell became the 1st Earl of Antrim in 1620. His son, Randal (1609-1683), became the 2nd Earl of Antrim in 1636/7 on the death of his father. According to Ohlmeyer (page 32), "His legitimate younger brother, Alexander, inherited the barony and castle of Glenarm." This seems to imply that the first Randal MacDonnell had been the baron of Glenarm prior to his death in 1636/7. There is no mention of a John Gregg in connection with Glenarm in this book, but I tend to doubt that he held this title. He could, however, have "...settled his people his people in the barony of Glenarm" on the estates of the MacDonnells and his son William could have inherited that land, but not the barony. Re-reading Kendall...she lists two sources for the above information: "Presbyterian Church in Ireland," Vol. 2, by J. S. Reid, and "Wills of Ireland." Has anyone attempted to find these sources? Perhaps the answer can be found there.

Kendall gives the early Gregg genealogy as:

1. John Gregg (Scotland, abt 1576 - Glenarm, Antrim, Ireland, abt 1644) 2. William Gregg (Scotland, abt 1616 - Ardmore, Waterford, Ireland, abt 1672) 2.1 John Gregg (abt 1640 - abt 1724) 2.2 William "The Immigrant Quaker" Gregg (Glenarm, Antrim, Ireland, abt 1642 - Christiana Hundred, New Castle, Delaware, 1687) 2.2.1 John Gregg (1668 - 1738) 2.2.2 Ann Gregg Dixon (1670 - 1729) 2.2.3 George Gregg (1674 - 1744) 2.2.4 Richard Gregg (1676 - 1716) 2.3 Richard Gregg (abt 1644 - abt 1741)

Kendall continues (page 17):

"During the reign of Charles I (1625-1649) these Ulster Presbyterians were rigorously treated and insulted. In 1642 a Scottish army under General Robert Monro landed in Ulster to help the colonists rally. Coleraine, Enniskillen, and Carrickfergus defied as they were strong for king and covenant. There was an insurrection at Carrickfergus in May 1653.

William Gregg, oldest son of John Gregg and a Presbyterian landholder, was forced to leave his inheritance of Glenarm Barony on the coast of County Antrim after May 1653...This oldest son William (born 1616, Scotland) left by ship after May 1653 his Glenarm Barony in County Antrim with three children, Richard, William born about 1643, and the oldest son John. Probably there were daughters. With his family he settled on the southwest shore of Waterford County, Ireland, at Ardmore where he died about 1672."

There is corroborating support for the existence of such a William Gregg and his forced removal from Glenarm. Charles A. Hanna, in his book "The Scotch-Irish or The Scot in North Britain, North Ireland, and North America," writes:

"By the decisive battle of Worcester in 1651, which compelled Charles the Second to abandon the kingdom and seek safety on the continent, Cromwell's popularity and influence became almost unbounded.

The news of this unexpected revolution reached Carrickfergus on the day on which the members of the Presbytery appeared before the Commissioners. The intelligence entirely disconcerted their plans, the power from which they derived their authority being at an end. No other alternative remained than to exhort the ministers to a peaceable conduct, and dismiss them to their perishes without delay. The Commissioners in Dublin, however, having cheerfully submitted to the new Council of State, and the commissions of the subordinate courts having been renewed throughout the kingdom, the original design of removing "all the popular Scotts" out of Ulster was immediately resumed. A proclamation was published by "the Commissioners for the settling and securing the Province of Ulster," specifying the conditions on which it was proposed to transplant the leading Presbyterians in the counties of Down and Antrim to certain districts in Munster. This proclamation was accompanied with a list of 260 persons--including all those who, by their known attachment to monarchical and Presbyterian principles, and by their station and influence, were most obnoxious to the reigning faction--who were required, with in a specified time and under certain penalties, to embrace the terms now offered.

Declaration by the Commissioners for the settling and securing the Province of Ulster; dated at Carrickfergus, the 23d of May 1653.

A list of the names of such as are to remove according to the foregoing Declaration:

COUNTY OF ANTRIM

..Glenarm Barony: ..William Greg,..."

Kendall states:

"As a devout adherent, William Gregg was a member of a colonial Friends group which left southern Ireland after October 1682, possibly in the ship "Caledonia," with William Hoge."

Has anyone been able to find anything about the ship "Caledonia" or a passenger list or any ship which includes William Gregg?

...finally, Kendall writes:

"He [William Gregg] had with him the silver-studded ivory-headed cane inherited as the next to oldest son from his father. By this time, the cane had become an heirloom whose story he recited many times to his children just as it was the custom for his ancestors to retain a bard whose duty was to sing the exploits of the Gregg ancestral line." Have you played the party game where a person is given a statement and it is verbally passed from player to player to see how it comes out at the end of the line?

A while back I came across a web site which showed some interesting early Gregg genealogy. No sources were given for this information so I contacted the author. I was told that the source was another, also undocumented, web site. Again I contacted the author and was directed to another web site. At about the fourth such web site, I was directed back to the first web site. Remember that misinformation travels across the Internet just as fast as correct information. And I may be contributing to it here. Less Source Modified • See All Changes September 12, 2017 by M Mod Reason This Source Is Attached • Edit The bottom line: enjoy Kendall's book-I know I was thrilled when I first discovered it-but do not assume that it is 100% correct, particularly in the early years. And, by the way, do not assume that the Thomas Gregg who married Rebeckah Janney in 1762 was the son of Samuel Gregg and Ann Robinson as stated by Kendall.

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I realize this profile may be in a state of flux and you may not have much control over what's posted here, but I 'd like to offer a few observations: 1. This John links to the John, son of "Quaker William". His alleged father "John (Gregg-40) has a wife Rachel Bell, yet, "our" John (Gregg-454) shows no mother (and no second wife is listed for his alleged father (Gregg-40)). 2. I believe you share the opinion of George Robert Gragg in his 'Gragg Descent' that "our" John (Greg-454) is not of the "Quaker William" family and , if so, "our" John can't be the son of the son of "Quaker William". Although, I guess it hasn't been proven either way.

posted by Terrell Marshall
found this on family search please read and correct if need be http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cousins4us/genealogy/Gragg/Gragg.htm#

Citation COUSINS 4 US Notes Generation No. 1 his mothers name was Rachel Bell according to family search records https://www.familysearch.org/search/genealogies/results? Events and Relationships Rachel Beall Pedigree Resource File Ancestry Gedcom

Birth1662 Upper Marlboro, Prince George's, Maryland, United States Marriage1682 Greece Death27 May 1729 Baltimore, Maryland, United States

Father:Colonel Ninian Robert Beall, Colonel Ninian Robert Beall Mother:RUTH Polly (Pottenger Pottinger) MOORE (m. Beall), Ruth Polly Moore Beale Spouse:Capt Richard Owings Children:James Owens to Owings, Samuel (Beall) Owings Owens Rachel Beall Pedigree Resource File Boyd and Worthy

Birth1659 Prince George's, Maryland, United States Marriage1686 Prince George Parish, Prince George's, Maryland, United States Death9 May 1734 Prince George's, Maryland, United States

Father:Charles Beall Mother:Susanna More Spouse:Col. Samuel Magruder Children:Nathaniel Magruder, John Magruder, James Magruder, William Magruder, Verlinda Magruder, Alexander Magruder, Samuel Burton Wade Magruder, Ninian Magruder, Samuel Magruder II, Sarah Magruder, Elizabeth Magruder /Bell/ Pedigree Resource File

Birth1667 Pennsylvania, United States

Spouse:Henry /Bell/ Bell Partner Trees: American Ancestors


Child:James Bellq.anyDate.from=1659&q.anyPlace=Bellefonte%2C%20Centre%2C%20Pennsylvania&q.givenName=rachel%20&q.surname=bell 1. JOHN1 GRAGG was born Abt 1690 in Antrim County, Ireland, and died 1758 in Augusta, Virginia. He married NANCY ANN WOODS 1717 in Cumberland, PA, daughter of WILLIAM WOOD. She was born Abt 1694 in Virginia, and died 1759 in Virginia.

Children of JOHN GRAGG and NANCY WOODS are:

i. JOHN JR.2 GRAGG, b. 1725, Augusta Va; d. 1784.

ii. HENRY GRAGG, b. Abt 1726, Augusta, Virginia; d. Abt 1783, Pulaski, Kentucky.

iii. NANCY ANN GRAGG, b. Abt 1727, Augusta, Virginia.

iv. THOMAS GRAGG, b. Abt 1728, Augusta Va; d. 1773, Harrisonburg, Virginia.

2. v. ROBERT GRAGG, b. Abt 1729, Augusta, Virginia; d. May 03, 1793, Greene or Cocke County, TN.

vi. SAMUEL GRAGG, b. 1730, Augusta Va.

vii. WILLIAM GRAGG, b. 1735, Cumberland, PA or Northern Ireland; d. January 24, 1795, Albemarie, VA.

viii. MARGARET GRAGG, b. 1737, Cumberland, PA.

ix. JANE E. GRAGG, b. Abt 1738, Cumberland, PA.

x. THOMAS HENRY GRAGG, b. 1741.

Generation No. 2

2. ROBERT2 GRAGG (JOHN1) was born Abt 1729 in Augusta, Virginia, and died May 03, 1793 in Greene or Cocke County, TN. He married LYDIA HARRISON 1755 in Augusta, Virginia. She was born Abt 1737 in Augusta, Virginia, and died Abt 1788.

Child of ROBERT GRAGG and LYDIA HARRISON is:

3. i. ROBERT3 GRAGG, b. 1755, Augusta, Virginia; d. 1800, Greene or Cocke County, TN.

Generation No. 3

3. ROBERT3 GRAGG (ROBERT2, JOHN1) was born 1755 in Augusta, Virginia, and died 1800 in Greene or Cocke County, TN. He married ELLENDER. She was born Bef. 1766 in Augusta, Virginia.

Child of ROBERT GRAGG and ELLENDER is:

4. i. MALCOM4 GRAGG, b. Abt 1788, Greene or Cocke County, TN; d. May 25, 1862, Henry Co., Missouri.

Generation No. 4

4. MALCOM4 GRAGG (ROBERT3, ROBERT2, JOHN1) was born Abt 1788 in Greene or Cocke County, TN, and died May 25, 1862 in Henry Co., Missouri. He married REBECCA BROADHURST Bet. 1810 - 1811 in Tennessee. She was born in TN.

Children of MALCOM GRAGG and REBECCA BROADHURST are:

5. i. JOHN5 GRAGG, b. January 17, 1812, TN; d. January 01, 1875, Henry Co., Missouri.

ii. WILLIAM R. GRAGG, b. December 31, 1814, Greene or Cocke County, TN.

iii. ELLENDER GRAGG, b. Abt 1817.

iv. CHILD GRAGG, b. Bet. 1816 - 1818.

v. HENRY H. GRAGG, b. November 28, 1820, Howard County, MO.

vi. MARY ANN GRAGG, b. July 13, 1823, Howard County, MO.

vii. ROBERT MALCOM GRAGG, b. July 18, 1826, Howard County, MO.

viii. SUSAN JANE GRAGG, b. December 25, 1828, Howard County, MO.

Generation No. 5

5. JOHN5 GRAGG (MALCOM4, ROBERT3, ROBERT2, JOHN1) was born January 17, 1812 in TN, and died January 01, 1875 in Henry Co., Missouri. He married LOVINA COOK May 22, 1836 in Pettis County, MO.

Notes for JOHN GRAGG:

1850 Census, Henry County, Missouri. Click on thumbnail to enlarge

Residence July 28, 1860 - Deepwater Township, Henry County, MO. Farmer.

Children of JOHN GRAGG and LOVINA COOK are:

i. ELIZABETH ANN6 GRAGG, b. 1837, Henry County, MO.

6. ii. REBECCA JANE GRAGG, b. 1839, Henry County, MO; d. January 1920.

iii. JOHN COOK GRAGG, b. 1840, Henry County, MO.

iv. WILLIAM MALCOM GRAGG, b. 1846, Henry County, MO.

v. SUSAN LOVINA GRAGG, b. 1849, Henry County, MO.

vi. CYNTHIA MARY GRAGG, b. 1853, Henry County, MO.

vii. RHODA MINERVA GRAGG, b. 1855, Henry County, MO.

viii. BENJAMIN FRANKLIN GRAGG, b. 1862, Henry County, MO.

Generation No. 6

6. REBECCA JANE6 GRAGG (JOHN5, MALCOM4, ROBERT3, ROBERT2, JOHN1) was born 1839 in Henry County, MO, and died January 1920. She married NICHOLAS G. LONG May 27, 1856 in Deepwater, Henry County, MO, son of ALLEN LONG and KATHERINE ARMSTRONG. He was born 1840 in Henry County, MO, and died December 17, 1860 in Henry County, MO.

Notes for NICHOLAS G. LONG:

International Geneological Index. 1860 Census of Henry County, Missouri, Henry

County Abstract of Wills & Administration, pg. 30.

Children of REBECCA GRAGG and NICHOLAS LONG are:

7. i. MOSES7 LONG, b. March 04, 1857, Henry County, MO; d. July 05, 1892, Henry County, MO.

ii. KITTIE LONG, b. 1859; m. HEZEKIAH N SMITH, 1876.

iii. FRANCIS MARION LONG, b. April 30, 1858, Henry County, MO; m. ANNETTA BELLE MCVICKER, September 09, 1886

Ron there are some big big mistake from this point foward, for about six generations, on the name gthe names, Thomas ,Henry and Malcom then appears on the next Generations.I do not know whom to talk to about this situation It is so confusing.Please advise who needs to approach this mess.I have found this on family search is this correct or a miss mash of a bio as well https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/family/L19Y-NCM
posted by Brenda (Gregg) Swaggerty
edited by Brenda (Gregg) Swaggerty
I'm kind of busey with other projects, but I'll look into it as I can. At first blush, it's the information at "FamilySearch" was incorrect. His name was never "Thomas Henry", and there was no good sourcing there. I've corrected what I can, for now.

Ron

posted by Ron Gragg (Ret.)
Hello Brenda,

I concure with David Black on this. Also, be careful and diligent in your research on this line, and there are many mistakes on places like Ancestry, that no one has taken the time to correct them.

Ron

posted by Ron Gragg (Ret.)
Brenda,

No relations that I know. I have no Elizabeth born in 1734. Understand, records of Ireland have close to 20 John Gregg's born around 1690 (+/- 5 years). One of them may be this relations but not part of our family. Looking through Family Search, there are over 100 listings for a John Gregg and all of them different in some way and very few linked to a family tree. db

posted by David Black
ANY RELATION TO JOHN GREGG THE SON https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1VZ

Name: John Gregg Sex: Male Wife: Mary Daughter: Elizabeth Gregg Other information in the record of Elizabeth Gregg from England Births and Christenings

Name: Elizabeth Gregg Residence Place: St. Dunstan in the West, London, England Gender: Female Christening Date: 08 Dec 1734 Christening Date (Original): 8 Dec 1734 Christening Place: St. Dunstan in the West, London, England Birth Date: 24 Nov 1734 Father's Name: John Gregg Mother's Name: Mary-WXB

Thanks for your reply on the mergers. I know these family names can get tricky, thats why i asked 1st.I loved your comment on The Gregg name about the P----ing match lol you sound like a Gregg.
Gregg-481 and Gragg-454 do not represent the same person because: Two completely different families. May be related (cousins) but not same ancestry line.
posted by David Black
Gregg-481 and Gragg-454 appear to represent the same person because: They appear to be the same person.
let me know if she the right Elizabeth CookBook - Early Church Records of Delaware co, Pa Vol 2 Delaware county Pa

View | Edit | Detach | Report Abuse | Tag 0 Notes see wife Elizabeth Cooke's source for this for their marriage intention & marriage Attached 18 November 2016 by HessMarciaLynn1 Reason This Source Is Attached Add Add

CloseClose Book - Colonial Families of Delaware - vol 5 - New Castle County View | Edit | Detach | Report Abuse | Tag 3 Notes John Gregg s/o William Gregg & Ann b- 1668 - Ardmore, Waterford, Ireland m- Elizabeth d - 1676 -

1693 - Tax assessment List - New Castle County - JOHN Gregg 1715 - Tax List - Kennet - JOHN Gregg

25 Feb 1725 - Alphonsus Krik, age 69, JOHN Gregg , age 49, & Elizabeth Harlan , age 46 attested that they about 40 yrs ago, being well acquainted with a certain road, a small footpath leading up from the rocks of Christianna leading up the woods to an Indian town called "Queonenum" which said road cross a runn named "Rattle Snake Runn" , which said road was named by some Rattle snake Road 18 Feb 1733 - John Grigg of Christiana Hd & his wife Elizabeth -sold to - Jonathan Strange, cloth worker 59 acres in said Hundred 10 April 1730 - JOHN Greggg of Christianna Hd, Yeoman & his wife ELIZABETH for the natural love they bear for their son WILLIAM Gregg od same place, for 5 s - they grant unto him - a parcel of land that Edward Pennington had granted unto said JOHN 27 Apr 1738 - WILL - JOHN Gregg, yeoman , of Christsana Hd -pr- 6 Mar 1738 wife - ELIZABETH my eldest son Willam son Thomas son Joseph son samuel dau Hannah dau Rebecca dau Emey executors - sons William & Samuel Less Attached 16 November 2016 by HessMarciaLynn1 Reason This Source Is Attached Add Add

CloseClose John Gregg in entry for Marcellus Garrison and Amelia M. Gregg, "West Virginia Marriages, 1854-1932" View | Edit | Review Attachments | Detach | Report Abuse | Tag 0 This extracted IGI record was used to create this person.Learn More... url https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRZB-665 Indexed Information Show Citation "West Virginia Marriages, 1854-1932," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRZB-665 : 10 February 2018), John Gregg in entry for Marcellus Garrison and Amelia M. Gregg, 25 Dec 1888; citing Harrison, West Virginia, reference ; FHL microfilm 847,276.

My daughter found this on her Familysearch Acct. Sorry about all the post did not know any other way to post it without a link there 2 pages

Augusta County, Va Heritage Book, 975.591, Mother of States, Mother of Counties, Staunton Library, VA; submitted by Corrine M. "Bay" Wiggins PG 154-155: The Gregg Family of Virginia: In the late 1700's the Gregg and the Bigham families came from Antrim, Ireland to the US. These families may have ancestral ties or they all came over on the same ship. Once here they went their own ways and came together again at a later time. We find them traveling together in the 1800's.The name of Gregg has been spelled in different ways, in Ireland it's O'Criag, then Gragg, Craigs and Grigg. John Gregg, b 1690, and his wife, Nancy Ann Woods, b 1694, came to the US in 1740. They first settled in Cumberland Co: PA, Then in 1750 they traveled through the Shenandoah Valley to Augusta Co.,VA where they settled and farmed the land. John Gregg died in 1758. Children were: Thomas, John, Jr., both of Northern Ireland, Samuel in PA, Robert (either in PA or VA) m Lydia Alice Harrison of VA, Elizabeth, Obidiah Gregg, Sr; and Margaret. (See son, Robert's file for more) Family Search Ancestral File: cont. to page 2 of text

Indiv. Record, John Gragg (AFN: CQ74-L8) shows same info as above and also many submitters names IGI Record: Int'l Family Search Gen. Index, NAmer.: John Gregg married to Nancy Ann Wood, abt 1717 in Augusta, Va., Source ino. F869255, sheet 32 Another record#1985688 of same shows John Gregg married to Nancy Ann Wood abt 1731 in Cumberland, PA. BIO: 1690 John Gregg born in or near Antrim, Ireland to a Irish family. The name "O'Criag" was used there. His parents would have possibly been, "Thomas & Elizabeth O'Criag" according to their children's names. Abt 1710 John married Nancy Ann Woods in or around Antrim, Ireland. Bet abt 1710 until 1739, Sons, Thomas and John, Jr. were born in Northern Ireland. Abt 1730 Son, Robert Gregg born in Ireland or PA. Abt 1740 John, Nancy and their small family came to the US and settled in Cumberland Co, PA. They farmed the land. Bet abt 1740-1749, Son, Samu el was born in PA. Abt 1750 About this time the family decided to move North and traveled through the Shenandoah Valley to Augusta Co, VA where they settled again and farmed the land. Bet 1710 until about 1740 Other children born to John and Nancy were Elizabeth, Obidiah Sr and Margaret. 1758 John Gregg died in Augusta Co, VA
Yes that would be great to be trusted, but since you, are more eduated ,on this side of the family. I would most greatly ask first ,before adding a family.You see my dad left me went I was 11 years old.My Aunt lucy died went I was 23 years old .She had all kind of pictures and military stuff .I saw a pictute of my grand, ggg grand fathers and my ggg grsnd mother she was fully dressed in her white Indian dredr,which I told that she wore on her wedding day. So you differently know more than I do. Thanks for any and all you can do to help me find my roots.So I can finally stop feeling lost.I will be 67 in October and I and I have been trying to find my family.

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