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John Gray (1588 - 1640)

John Gray aka Grey, Graie
Born in Englandmap
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Son of and [mother unknown]
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Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Died at about age 51 in Stapleford Tawney, Essex, Englandmap [uncertain]
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Disambiguation

  • John Grey (b. aft. 1595/9 - d. 04 Feb 1647) of Bradforth in Bamburgh, Northumb. & Burton, son of Ralph Grey of Chillingham, co. Northumb. & Jane Ardington of Ardington, co. Berks. His brother William, 1st Baron Grey of Werke (b. Aug 1593 Chillingham, Northumb. - d. Jul 1674, bur. Epping Essex), bought Epping manor in Essex from Thomas Finch in 1636.

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Biography

John was born in 1588 England.[1][2]

The parents listed for this individual are speculative and may not be based on sound genealogical research. Sources to prove or disprove this ancestry are needed. Please contact the Profile Manager or leave information on the bulletin board.

Davies (n.d.), asserts that:[3]

"It is to be presumed that John Gray was not native to Stapleford Tawney, but was only a resident of that parish for some years. ... John Gray was married before going to Stapleford, and in Harrow-on-the-Hill church records there is a John Gray baptized February 2, 1589 and married on October 6, 1606 to Elizabeth Ward.[2][4] These dates would correspond with John of Stapleford, as his eldest child was born in 1608."[3]
It appears that the Gray family was from Harwich, Essex, as a John and Thomas Gray were living there in 1579.[3]
For Gray of Harwich, co. Essex ... see:
  • Richard Gray of Harwich, mariner (d. 1602), Gray-6149.
  • Thomas Gray of Harwich (bp. 18 Aug 1572 Harwich - d. bef. 29 Jun 1607), Gray-702
Six of the names in the John Gray family of Stapleford were similar to the names in Edward Grays family. They were:
  1. John
  2. Elizabeth
  3. Edward
  4. Sarah
  5. Thomas
  6. and Rebecca.

Origins

Davies (n.d.), stated that some:

"believed ... John Gray of Stapleford Tawney descended from the Dorset branch of the Gray family.[citation needed] The Dorset Grays are of great antiquity, and were for many generations in high favor with the English kings. Members of this family were for centuries seated in Westminster and in other sections in and about London."[3]

Besides the Greys who descended from the ancient line at Thurrock, Essex,[5] another branch existed in Essex, that desc. from Leonard Graye of Northumberland. It was founded by his direct desc. William Graye of Doveland in Essex (b. est. 1540), who married twice. His first wife was Jane Lovett, d. & h. of Thomas of Northants. He remarried to Mary Boade.[6]

Gray in Vis. of Essex, 1552 - 1634.

children

Edward immigrated to Mass. abt. 1643. This is three years prior to the beheading of Charles I, but a year into the English Civil War. In 1642, Charles I was already at war with the English and Scottish parliaments. He would not see defeat until 1645, which is two years after Edward is said to have arrived in the colonies.[7]

John's sons, Edward & Thomas Gray, arrived in Colonial America abt. c. 1643.

Death

FindAgrave asserts that John passed away in 1640 and is buried at St Andrew Churchyard in Chipping Ongar, Epping Forest District, Essex, England,[1]


Notes

IMMIGRATION

Could the immigration be for his son John Jr.? How could Sr immigrate to the Colonies in 1639 & die in England in 1640?[8]
prob. neither ... if the person of this profile died in 1646, then son John is prob. the person who was buried in Stapleford Tawney in 1658.
  • See also John Gray, draper, of Newcastle upon Tyne ... who had connections to people who were master mariners. John's son Cuthbert Gray of Newcastle (d. 1623), used the given names of John and Rebecca for two of his children.

Poss. Duplicate...

  • John Graie or Graye of Stapleford Tawney, Essex (children moved to profile# Graie-5)

prob. unrelated

  • Joan (bp. 17 Aug 1606 Hambleden, Bucks), dau. of Adrian Gray.[9]

Edits

  • clean-up 29 Aug 2020 (weblog traced asserting wife, poss. origins, etc).[3]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 John Graie (2 Feb 1588–1640)
    Find A Grave: Memorial #46371463, citing St Andrew Churchyard, Chipping Ongar, Epping Forest District, Essex ; by Carolyn Gray-Yeaw.
  2. 2.0 2.1 LZPC-F2W; d. May 20, 1658 (Age 69) Yarmouth, Massachusetts
    LDS baptism Oct 30, 1922 (264 yrs aft death) = DIED c. 1658
    Temple: Salt Lake City.
    Endowment: Sep 10, 1941 (283 yrs aft death) = DIED c. 1658
    confirmation Dec 4, 1968 (310 yrs aft death) = DIED c. 1658
    spouse sealing Elizabeth Ward Jan 26, 1995 (336 yrs aft death) = DIED c. 1659
    LDS Temple: Idaho Falls, Idaho.
    LDS child sealing Jan 9, 1998 (339 years after death) = DIED c.1659
    LDS Temple: Ogden, Utah. Aug 17, 2000 (342 years after death) = DIED c. 1658
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 From a Boston Transcript clipping in the Durfee film 804977, "Clarkes Genealogies" and "A History of Wales" by John Davies.
    originally hosted by Gray, Rodney W. (1995, December 28) Gray Family History. Weblog. <wyarg at juno dot com>. (mirror @ http://axon.cs.byu.edu/~randy/gen/gray.html & https://archive.is/N10Ii
  4. John Grey m. (5 Oct 1606 Harrow on the Hill, Essex) Elizabeth Warde.
    "England Marriages, 1538–1973, " John Grey and Elizabeth Warde, 05 Oct 1606] citing Harrow On The Hill, London, England; FHL microfilm 0481081 IT 4, 0547204 IT 3.[1]
  5. see Category: Thurrock, Essex, Gray Name Study
  6. research by Ogle-1294
  7. Wikipedia: Charles I of England
  8. There's a record on his FS ID LC28-6J6 that says: Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England (1620-1691), Shurtleff, Nathaniel B. & Pulsifer, editors, Boston; 1855-61, Page number: volume 8, page 187-196. residence: null; August 1643; Yarmouth, Barnstable, Massachusetts.
    U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s, Ancestry.com, Provo, UT., 2 citations provide evidence for Name, Arrival; Kerry Fisher; John Gray Boston, Massachusetts, Year: 1639, Page Number: 126
  9. ."England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:CNQ3-VJ3Z : 20 March 2020), Adrian Gray in entry for Joane Gray, 1606.

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For the Greys from here back to pre 1066 Battle of Hastings it is best to have the local in the name. ie.

of Chillingham, of Heton, of Horton, of Croy, of etal, ect.

If you don't you will lose track of them, there were 3 Baronships Grey and Tons of duplicate names; and near the same birth dates comming out 5 or 6 lines of greys..top that off they inter-married many times....

In other words you can get lost here in short order without the locals in the titles. I have them all sorted out going back from near here to pre-1066, I'll put them in and revise back as I go.

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Gray-3972 and Gray-445 do not represent the same person because: Children don't match, nothing else does
The Grays of Stapleford Tawney were Blacksmiths and look to have originated from Bishops Stortford in Hertfordshire (which is approx 20 miles from Stapleford Tawney.)

1. https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/result_details.aspx?ThisRecordsOffSet=47&id=249249

Recognizances of John Grays of Stampleford Tawney blacksmith, Thomas Bette of Barking yeoman; Thomas Greone of Stapleford Tawney labourer to answer for beating Dorothy Besdle spinter. 16 March. 1629 (The date makes me believe this is this John Gray, as his son John would have only turned 16 - would he be a blacksmith already, or still apprenticed?)

2. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D801407 - Will of john Gray, Blacksmith of Stapleford Tawney, Essex

This is the will of John's son John, the property he bequeaths to his son is in 'Stortford in Hertfordshire.' (He was buried in Stapleford Tawney 8th March 1659 & did not emigrate.) Mentions children John, Elizabeth & Mary, & wife Jane. He also makes his brother Edward his overseer.

3. https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/result_details.aspx?ThisRecordsOffSet=1&id=911174 - D/AEW 24/63 - The Nuncupative will of Edward Gray of Harold Wood, Liberty of Havering-atte-Bower, 15 April 1667 .

This is the will of John's son Edward (who died in England & did not emigrate.) I have put an abstract on Edward's profile, as it's a pay site. He mentions (amongst others) brother Thomas Gray (& his son Thomas) Brother-in-law Thomas Perry & his wife Rebecca (see her baptism & marriage in Stapleford Tawney) and sister-in-law Jane Gray and her daughter Mary Gray (see above will of John.)

Also in Essex archives are: https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/result_details.aspx?ThisRecordsOffSet=1&id=489159 Richard Graie of Hockerill, Bishops Stortford, Hertfordshire, blacksmith 1597 – is damaged. – sons William, John, Robert

https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/result_details.aspx?ThisRecordsOffSet=1&id=489354 Ann Gray of Hockerill 1616 – Sons William, John (the children of), Robert & Richard.

https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/result_details.aspx?ThisRecordsOffSet=3&id=489372 - William Gray of Bishops Stortford, blacksmith, 1617 - brother(?) Edward Gray, brother Richard Gray, brother John Gray, brother Robert Gray.

https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/result_details.aspx?ThisRecordsOffSet=1&id=488896 - John Gray the Elder of Bishops Stortford – Has sons John, Richard (& Walter? Or matthew??), and wife Margaret.


There are lots of register entries for Grays in Bishops Stortford (obviously transcripts & would need to be checked) but possibles include: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQ6P-XYV – John Graye 6th Sep 1573

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSKY-BZY – Edward 1581

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQ6P-CRL – Robert 1579 (father Richard)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7BR-PYZ – Richard 1576

https://archive.org/details/recordsofstmicha00bishuoft/page/92 - This note in the 'Records of St Michaels parish church, Bishops Stortford' (Glasscock) : 1521 - “ Fox tells us of one Gray, a smith of this town, accused for denying the Sacrament of the Altar to be Christ, was therefore sent for to London, but was there deliver’d by means of the Lord Cromwell” [Chauncy’s “Antiq. Of Herts” i. 326] (Grays as blacksmiths in Bishops Stortford in 1521.)

Also, is there anything to identify the marriage in Harrow on the Hill to Elizabeth Warde (?) as that of a John Gray of anywhere other than Harrow on the Hill? (There are Grays in Harrow on the Hill at this time.) I think the identification of a wife called Elizabeth is a mistake, and based on the later baptisms for a John (1637) & Mary (1641) to a John Gray & Elizabeth in the Stapleford Tawney parish register; but I think these are for the son John (b. 1613) & not this John. (I think the son John was married twice - Elizabeth & then Jane.) I can't find anything that identifies the name of this John's wife.


I don't see any link between these blacksmiths to the Gray family of Harwich who were a maritime family (also there is a distance of about 60 miles between them.) But it is all moot, as none of the sons of this John seem to have emigrated. John is still in Stapleford Tawney until 1659, Edward dies in Harold Wood in 1667 & Thomas is still alive & mentioned in Edward's will. (Also it's really not a surprise that some of the sons are not in the parish register, if they all followed their father's profession they would have to move away; there is only so much work in one village.)

(I don't currently have a subscription to Essex Records office, but if I do re-subscribe (or manage to get back there in person) I will take a look at the documents they have in regards to the Harwich Grays (including a pedigree for a Richard Gray who died 1661.) but I haven't seen anything that identifies Edward Gray of Plymouth as being from Essex specifically, so I don't expect him to be there either.)

Edited to make it easier to read.

posted by L Felix
edited by L Felix
In the American Ancestors Magazine, Vol. 11, No. 4, Fall 2010, an article titled "The Gray Family of Plymouth, Massachusetts, and Clues to the Origins of Jabez Warren of Lebanon, Connecticut, and Brimfield, Massachusetts" by George Edward Gray, DNA evidence has shown that male Jabez Warren descendants have markers from the DNA of the John Gray line. Jabez Warren, husband of Mary (poss. Bissell) was born ca. 1691.
posted by Darrell Larocque
Gray-18212 and Gray-445 are not ready to be merged because: According to notes, there is much confusion over many Grays.
Gray-445 and Gray-10007 appear to represent the same person because: Same except for death information. I show his migration to America in 1639, to Boston, Mass.

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