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Osbern (Bolebec) Giffard

Osbern (Osbert) Giffard formerly Bolebec
Born [date unknown] in Normandy, Francemap
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Son of [uncertain] and [uncertain]
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Died before in Brimpsfield, Gloucestershire, Englandmap
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Biography

He was an Anglo-Norman tenant-in-chief holding land under William the conqueror in 1086. For a map and listing of his lands then, see his Open Domesday profile: https://opendomesday.org/name/osbern-giffard/

Keats-Rohan calls him Osbern Giffard in his entry in Domesday People p. 317 and summarizes what is known:[1]

Norman, member of the family of Giffard of Longueville, Seine-Maritime.
The abbot of Saint-Etienne de Caen had a plea against Osbern Giffard and his wife Adeguisa (Hadvise) in September 1077 (Deville, Analyse, 20-1).
He died before 1096 and left Elias, probably his son, to succeed him at Elston in Orcheston St George, Wiltshire (Sanders, 115-16).
There is a genealogy of this family in BM [British Museum] Add. 37124.

Research notes

As mentioned above, it is believed that Osbern was a relative of the Giffard family of Longueville, which was said to have descended, at least in its main line, from another Osbern de Bolebec. There appear to be two main speculative attempts to define the exact relationship, both of which give chronological concerns, and both of which seem to be based upon no specific medieval evidence:

  • Some older works say that he was simply the son of Osbern de Bolebec, without citing any medieval evidence.[2][3] NOTE: A descent from Osbern de Bolebec seems quite likely, but being his son would mean Osbern Giffard was very old when he helped invade England, to say the least.
  • Other works, say he was a son (and not a younger brother) of his contemporary, of the Longueville family, Walter Giffard.[4] Note that there was a sequence of several Walters, and probably at least one of them really was significantly older than Osbern.

On the other hand, it seems just as likely that Osbern was a more distant cousin to Walter, as no records have survived to define the exact connection.

Tree

    1. Osberne Gyffarde
      1. Helias m. Ala
        1. Elias m. Berta
          1. Helias
          2. Gilbert
    2. Walter Gyffarde[5]

Known children

  1. Elias (Helias) Giffard, (married Ala) dead in 1130 when his son, Elias, paid relief.[3]

Death

He was alive in 1086 for Domesday Book, and he died before 1096.[6]

Sources

  1. Keats-Rohan, Domesday People, p.317.
  2. Burke, p. 206, added 2014-08-01, amb
  3. 3.0 3.1 G.A. Moriarty (1921) "Gifford-Sargent", in: The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Vol 75 pp.60-61.
  4. , Alfred Ellis (1879-1880) "Domesday Tenants of Gloucestershire", in Transactions of the Bristol and Gloucestershire Archaeological Society, Vol.4, pp.158-159
  5. Burke, p. 206-207
  6. Sanders, English Baronies, p.115.




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Some more about Osbern Giffard from British History.ac.uk/vch/glos/vol7//pp-140-149

'In 1086 Osbern Giffard held the large Manor of Brimpsfield, formerly held by Duns from Earl Harold, extended at 9 hides. It had passed by 1096 to Ellis Giffard (I) fn. 107) (d by 1130.and then descended in the direct line to Ellis (II) (d by 1162). Ellis (III) (d by 1190) and Ellis (IV). a minor who came of age in 1203 and died in 1248 and the Brimpsfield estate passed to his son John. a minor who came of age by 1254 (fn 108)

posted by Roger Churm
In the Domesday Book. Englands Heritage then and now. The entry for Brimpsfield he is named as Osbern Giffard.( 2 Mills) and he held land in Northamptonshire and five Southern counties.
posted by Roger Churm
Hi Roger, Have a look at the PASE and Open Domesday links in the article. They give nice maps as well.
posted by Andrew Lancaster
I propose to disconnect the parents but stand open for anyone who can find a source which gives real evidence.
posted by Andrew Lancaster
If we don't know who the parents are, then we don't know who the parents are. If we do know who they are then there will be primary records we can point to. Why should we make stuff up?
posted by Andrew Lancaster
Q1) Is the missing generation a novel Osbert?

Let's call him Osbert I, father of Osbert II (eg ~990-1063); via Osbert II, hypothetical grandfather of Osbern, and great-grandfather of Joscelin/Gozelin and Elias/Helias ‘the Elder’ (~1060-1030).

Q2) Is that at least less wrong, even if not demonstrably correct?

Q3) Who is the wife of Osbert I, by whom Osbert II is born?

posted by Isaac Taylor
Missing a generation. Osbert & Avelina were probably his grandparents. Father may have been Osbert II (c990-1063), who was married to Avelina FitzRichard (c974-1049) of Pont-Audemer, Normandie.
posted by Dan Norum
Gozeline can't be his son, since he was born 25 years before Osbern.
posted by Steve Selbrede

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