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Found on wikitree g2g today 26 Mar 2022 where over 4 years ago, the psu/ FTDNA Hamilton group decided James Hamilton 5th of Cadzow was not the son of John Hamilton 4th of Cadzow.
Andrew Ross G2G6 Mach 3 wrote:
The I-Y6628 group in the Hamilton YDNA project has the cleanest genealogy. They have members in the peerage. It's also an older group (~1150 CE), which is what one would expect.
The I-S1973 group has more members, but is not old enough compared to I-Y6628.
WikiTree is currently showing R-BY3541 for the profile, which is clearly wrong.
commented 23 hours ago by Andrew Ross G2G6 Mach 3
Andrew, if I understand correctly what you wrote, then the one yDNA test displayed on the profile of James Hamilton-1093, does not belong to a direct male line descendant of James Hamilton-1093. Is that correct?
I have looked at the genealogy of the yDNA test taker, Michael Hamilton-8683, to see if I can determine where the "break" in the direct male line might be. Here is the first issue I came to: Samuel Stephen Hamilton-23376 (1856-1927), is shown to be the son of Lemuel Lewis Hamilton-8831 (1808-1870) and Matilda Catherine Taylor-67897 (1820-1900). However, the death certificate for Samuel Stephen Hamilton, who died 13 December 1927 says that his parents were George Hamilton of Kentucky and Sarah Hughes, rather than Lemuel Hamilton and Matilda Taylor. I believe it would be appropriate to detach the parents of Samuel Stephen Hamilton-23376.
commented 22 hours ago by Kay Wilson G2G6 Pilot
Kay; Yes, that is correct.
Another problem is with John Hamilton 1744-1802
He was an American Patriot, which is wonderful and very special.
However, there does not appear to be adequate source documentation for his parents. He emigrated, probably from Ireland, is about all that can be clearly claimed. He should be disconnected from the profiles for the parents.
commented 13 hours ago by Andrew Ross G2G6 Mach 3.
And my response:
Oh, okay, Kay. Concerning your interest in disrupting the Hamilton lineage (not uncommon) and the current question as to the father of John P Hamilton.
It is called "Ancestral lines of the Doniphan, Frazee, and Hamilton families" by Hamilton, Frances Frazee.
Plus, there are, clearly, many DNA matches shown on wikitree.
If you need any more help, Andrew Ross-16829 and Kay (Johnson) Wilson Johnson=18438, please let me know. Well, instead of just deciding between the two of you to cancel a relationship arbitrarily.
Oh, I will now try to find more information on all of the rest of the Hamiltons on my family tree. You know, of course, some families did not have the correct information written on their birth and death certificates in the USA. And you, as a genealogist, know some families did not claim their children. Thanks for stating that I am the only one standing between you and the finishing of your task.
As for the confusion concerning the Hamilton Y-DNA and the Douglas Y-DNA.
In one instance of the Douglas Y-DNA: Y-DNA I-L338 for all of Walter Hamilton of Darngaber's male line? Possibly. (my early Great-grandfather, on my grandMother's side) Y-DNA is possibly I-Y6635 per Descendent of Walter Hamilton of Darngaber, (potentially one of my FTDNA matches). BOTH I-L338 (also known as I1a2a1a1a) and related I-Y6635 (also known as I1a3a1a1a1, Parent Branch: I-Y6624) are of Haplogroup I-M253 also known as I1 (a Y chromosome haplogroup). I-L338 is a well-known Haplogroup of the Douglases.
Walter Hamilton of Darngaber BIRTH 1392 • Cadzow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, DEATH 20 MAY 1441 • Trabzon, Trabzon, Turkey and his descendants were descended from the Douglases and not the Hamiltons.
Andrew Ross G2G6 Mach 3 wrote:
The I-Y6628 group in the Hamilton YDNA project has the cleanest genealogy. They have members in the peerage. It's also an older group (~1150 CE), which is what one would expect.
The I-S1973 group has more members, but is not old enough compared to I-Y6628.
WikiTree is currently showing R-BY3541 for the profile, which is clearly wrong. commented 23 hours ago by Andrew Ross G2G6 Mach 3 Andrew, if I understand correctly what you wrote, then the one yDNA test displayed on the profile of James Hamilton-1093, does not belong to a direct male line descendant of James Hamilton-1093. Is that correct?
I have looked at the genealogy of the yDNA test taker, Michael Hamilton-8683, to see if I can determine where the "break" in the direct male line might be. Here is the first issue I came to: Samuel Stephen Hamilton-23376 (1856-1927), is shown to be the son of Lemuel Lewis Hamilton-8831 (1808-1870) and Matilda Catherine Taylor-67897 (1820-1900). However, the death certificate for Samuel Stephen Hamilton, who died 13 December 1927 says that his parents were George Hamilton of Kentucky and Sarah Hughes, rather than Lemuel Hamilton and Matilda Taylor. I believe it would be appropriate to detach the parents of Samuel Stephen Hamilton-23376. commented 22 hours ago by Kay Wilson G2G6 Pilot Kay; Yes, that is correct.
Another problem is with John Hamilton 1744-1802
He was an American Patriot, which is wonderful and very special.
However, there does not appear to be adequate source documentation for his parents. He emigrated, probably from Ireland, is about all that can be clearly claimed. He should be disconnected from the profiles for the parents.
commented 13 hours ago by Andrew Ross G2G6 Mach 3.
And my response:
Oh, okay, Kay. Concerning your interest in disrupting the Hamilton lineage (not uncommon) and the current question as to the father of John P Hamilton.
The image https://wikitree.com/photo/jpg/Hamilton-8851-21 , clearly, shows the father of Hamilton-8851I John P Hamilton Sr. Sergeant, SAR Patriot American Revolution # P-173800) is Hamilton-8853 I Claud Hamilton. And this photo has been on wikitree since 27 Jul 2020. The original can be found at
https://ancestors.pitard.net/pedigree.php?personID=14218&tree=1sttree
With further information at https://ancestors.pitard.net/getperson.php?personID=14218&tree=1sttree
There are other sources. One source is found in an archive from the year 1928. That source can be found at
https://archive.org/details/ancestrallinesof00hami/page/545/mode/1up?q=claude
It is called "Ancestral lines of the Doniphan, Frazee, and Hamilton families" by Hamilton, Frances Frazee.
Plus, there are, clearly, many DNA matches shown on wikitree.
If you need any more help, Andrew Ross-16829 and Kay (Johnson) Wilson Johnson=18438, please let me know. Well, instead of just deciding between the two of you to cancel a relationship arbitrarily.
Oh, I will now try to find more information on all of the rest of the Hamiltons on my family tree. You know, of course, some families did not have the correct information written on their birth and death certificates in the USA. And you, as a genealogist, know some families did not claim their children. Thanks for stating that I am the only one standing between you and the finishing of your task.
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In one instance of the Douglas Y-DNA: Y-DNA I-L338 for all of Walter Hamilton of Darngaber's male line? Possibly. (my early Great-grandfather, on my grandMother's side) Y-DNA is possibly I-Y6635 per Descendent of Walter Hamilton of Darngaber, (potentially one of my FTDNA matches). BOTH I-L338 (also known as I1a2a1a1a) and related I-Y6635 (also known as I1a3a1a1a1, Parent Branch: I-Y6624) are of Haplogroup I-M253 also known as I1 (a Y chromosome haplogroup). I-L338 is a well-known Haplogroup of the Douglases.
Walter Hamilton of Darngaber BIRTH 1392 • Cadzow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, DEATH 20 MAY 1441 • Trabzon, Trabzon, Turkey and his descendants were descended from the Douglases and not the Hamiltons.
Sources:
http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Thompson/ThompsonDNA-results.html https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Douglas?iframe=yresults http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=21060 https://haplogroup.org/ystory/i-y6635/ http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/g/a/gah4/HamDNA/B1.pdf
Thank you.