NOTE: IDENTITY OF SECOND HUSBAND (THOMAS NEWDIGATE) MAY BE INCORRECT - RESEARCH IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY Baker-29071 22:40, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
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Katherine was the eldest daughter, and coheir - with her sister Barbara, of Sir John Hampden (bc 1480 -d. 20 Dec 1553) and his first wife Elizabeth Savage (bc 1482).
Her first marriage, about 1524, was to Henry Ferrers, of Baddesley Clinton in Warwickshire, the son of Edward Ferrers and Constance Brome.[1] They had one son, Edward (1526-1564).
Following Henry's death in 1526, at the age of 26, Katherine married, as her second husband Sebastian Newdegate of Harefield in Middlesex , the son of John Newdegate serjeant-at-law and Amphyllis his wife.[2][3]
Katherine and Sebastian had two daughters, Amphyllis and Elizabeth. Katherine died before 3 June 1531, which is the date that Sebastian was ordained deacon following his admission to London Charterhouse.
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There is no primary source which identifies Katherine Ferrers nee Hampden as the wife of Thomas Newdigate of Wivelsfield in Sussex.
In his Will [4], made 4th April 1559/proved 11th December 1559 Thomas names the following :-
The above shows that Thomas made bequests to all the children from his 'now' wife's previous two marriages. If Thomas had been married to Katherine Ferrers nee Hampden, it is reasonable to suppose that a mention would have been made in Thomas's Will, instead he he makes bequests to George and Thomas Vavysor "my late wife's brothers", implying that his 'late wife', and by extension the mother of his children, was a Miss Vavysor.
IF Katherine Ferrers married Thomas Newdigate of Wivelsfield, there is, at best, a 12 year gap, at worst a 22 year gap, between the birth of her son Edward Ferrers in 1526, and the birth of Thomas Newdigate's first child.
This gap can be calculated from the information in the Will of Thomas Newdigate of Wivelsfield which he made on 4 April 1559. In his Will he names - his three daughters : Elizabeth (the eldest daughter), Barbara and Dorothy and his son Thomas. All his children are under the age of 21, which means that the eldest child would have been born on or after 5 April 1538 – at least 12 years after the death of Katherine’s first husband Henry Ferrers. However, the date of birth given on the profile of Elizabeth Poyntz nee Newdigate is c1548, which would be at least 22 years after the death of Katherine’s first husband.
As the two sources (Visitations of Bucks [5] and Surrey [6]) citing Thomas Newdigate of Wivelsfield as the husband of Katherine and the father of Elizabeth Poyntz nee Newdigate state either that Thomas is her 2nd husband (vis. Bucks) or that Katherine is the widow of Henery Ferrers (vis. Surrey), another ‘possible’ marriage cannot be suggested to fill this gap.
Katherine did not die c1563 ‘holding a tithe to Wivelsfield Church’ (Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz [7]), this information results from an incorrect reading of Wivelsfield tithes and from not having read the Will of Thomas Newdigate, where he distinctly names his current wife as Jane.
Magna Carta Ancestry p333 [8] states that John Hampden, knt., of Great Hampden ........ married Elizabeth Savage and that they had TWO daughters Katherine and Barbara.
The Will of Sir John Hampden of Great Hampden in Buckinghamshire [9] makes no reference to either Katherine or Barbara. The only named people are: -
The brass for Sir John Hampden in Great Hampden parish church shows "Sir John Hampden, in armour, and two wives, Elizabeth née Savage, with THREE daughters and Philippa,[10] daughter of John Wilford, of London". [11]
Katherine Ferrers nee Hampden did not marry, as her second husband, Thomas Newdigate of Wivelsfield as is claimed in the Visitation of Surrey and the Visitation of Buckinghamshire (both of these sources being cited in Magna Carta Ancestry).
The will of Thomas Newdigate of Wivelsfield dated 4 April 1559 and proved 11 December 1559 suggests that his first wife's maiden name was Vavisor or Vavysor and his second wife's first name was Jane. [12][13]
NB A Thomas Vaviser is a witness (together with Edmund Pope, and others) to a counterpart stock deed dated 12 November 1547 between Thomas Goodman of Wivelsfield yeoman and Thomas Newdigate of Wivelsfield gent., Source: The Keep; catalogue ref: AMS 4129.
The History and Antiquities of the County of Buckingham states that “Katherine, married to Henry Ferrers, son of Sir Edward Ferrers, knt., of Baddesley, Co. Warwick, and afterwards to Sebastian Newdigate. Esq., of Arberry [Arbury], in the same county”.
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The creator of her profile estimated Katherine’s date of birth as 1504 in Buckinghamshire. About 1524 Katherine married Henry Ferrers - bc1500-d1526 - (the parish register of Baddesley Clinton records that Henry died at the age of 26 and was buried in the tomb in Baddesley church with his father and mother) and they had a son, Edward, born c1526 (the parish register of Baddesley Clinton records that he died at the house of the Lord Windsor and was buried at Turbicke church in the county of Worcester on 10th day of August 1564 aged 38).
The parish registers of Baddesley Clinton has no record of the later life/death of Katherine Ferrers nee Hampton, and the Pedigree of Ferrers in the visitation of Warwickshire only contains the information that Henry Ferrers married “Katherin, the daughter of co-heir of Sir John Hampden knt.”
Katherine did not die c1563 ‘holding a tithe to Wivelsfield Church’ (Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz), this information results from an incorrect reading of Wivelsfield tithes and from not having read the Will of Thomas Newdigate, where he distinctly names his current wife as Jane.
IF Katherine Ferrers married Thomas Newdigate of Wivelsfield, there is at best a 12 year gap, at worst a 22 year gap, before she next produces a child. This gap can be calculated from the information in the Will of Thomas Newdigate of Wivelsfield which he made on 4 April 1559. In his Will he names - his three daughters : Elizabeth (the eldest daughter), Barbara and Dorothy and his son Thomas. All his children are under the age of 21, which means that the eldest child would have been born on or after 5 April 1538 – at least 12 years after the death of Katherine’s first husband Henry Ferrers. However, the date of birth given on the profile of Elizabeth Poyntz nee Newdigate is c1548, which would be at least 22 years after the death of Katherine’s first husband.
As the two sources (visitations of Bucks and Surrey) citing Thomas Newdigate of Wivelsfield as the husband of Katherine and the father of Elizabeth Poyntz nee Newdigate state either that Thomas is her 2nd husband (vis. Bucks) or that Katherine is the widow of Henery Ferrers (vis. Surrey), another ‘possible’ marriage cannot be suggested to fill this gap.
I would set the above against the chronology should, as I believe, Katherine have instead married Sebastian Newdegate :
Sebastian did not enter Charterhouse in 1524 following the death of his wife, as stated in Betham’s Baronetage, because (1) In 1525 he is recorded as one of the "Esquires of the King’s Household, who made a challenge of Arms against the Feast of Christmas, which was proclaimed by Windsor the Herald, and performed at the time appointed very nobly, as Tilts, Turneys Barriers, and the assault of a Castle erected for that purpose, in the Tilt-yard at Greenwich, where the King held his Christmas that year with great State and Magnificence." https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/A_Chronicle_of_the_Kings_of_England/ezVWAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1 page 273 and (2) the Patent Rolls record that he had a grant of a wardship of ‘John son and heir of William Hampdon’ on October 24th 1526. (This John son of William Hampden son of Edmund Hampden who in turn was the son of Thomas Hampden and Margery Popham).
Following Henry Ferrers death in 1526, (at the age of 26) Katherine married, as her second husband Sebastian Newdegate of Harefield in Middlesex , the son of John Newdegate serjeant-at-law and Amphyllis his wife.[2] [2] https://archive.org/details/historyantiquiti02lips/page/232/mode/2up
Katherine and Sebastian had two daughters, Amphyllis and Elizabeth.
Katherine died before 3 June 1531, which is the date that Sebastian was ordained deacon following his admission to London Charterhouse.
There are primary sources – the Will of Richard Newdegate; the Feet of Fines for London; Records of the Newdegate family of Arbury held at the Warwickshire Record Office specifically Cat. Ref No CR0136/C2161 – which confirm that Sebastian Newdegate had a daughter called Amphilis Newdegate, and I would suggest lend weight to the information here https://archive.org/details/historyantiquiti02lips/page/234/mode/2up?q=hampden that Sebastian Newdegate was the husband of Katherine Ferrers nee Hampden and not Thomas Newdigate of Wivelsfield Sussex.
edited by Anonymous Baker
There are multiple secondary/tertiary sources, cited in pedigrees/visitations/published works, which name Katherine as the mother. However, there is one primary source which gives a name to the first wife of Thomas Newdigate (and therefore the mother of Elizabeth Newdigate) and that is the Will of Elizabeth’s father, Thomas Newdigate of Wivelsfield, which was made on 4 April 1559.
In his Will Thomas makes bequests to ‘George Vavyser’ and ‘Thomas Vavisor’ who he identifies as “my late wife’s brothers”. These bequests, I would suggest, preclude Katherine Ferrers nee Hampden from being cited as the wife of Thomas Newdigate. It should also be noted that whilst Thomas Newdigate makes bequests to the children of Jane, his second wife, by her previous two marriages, it is significant that there is no bequest for an ‘Edward Ferrers’ who was the son of Katherine Ferrers nee Hampden from her first marriage.
Given the above I am proposing the removal of Katherine Newdigate nee Hampden as the mother of Elizabeth Poyntz nee Newdigate.
edited by Joe Cochoit
The History and Antiquities of the County of Buckingham has the following https://archive.org/details/historyantiquiti02lips/page/232/mode/2up - “By this lady, Sir John Hampden had no issue, but by his first wife, Elizabeth, he had two daughters, co-heiresses; Katherine married to Henry Ferrers, son of Sir Edward Ferrers, Kt., of Baddesley, co. Warwick., and afterwards to Sebastian Newdigate, Esq., of Arberry, in the same county.” https://archive.org/details/historyantiquiti02lips/page/234/mode/2up - “Sebastian Newdigate, who married Katherine, relict of Henry Ferrers, also “had issue by her a daughter, named Amphillis or Amfelis, who became the wife of ….. Breame of Buckinghamshire”.
The Wikipedia page for Sebastian Newdigate has the following : “According to Bainbridge, Newdigate married Katherine Hampden, widow of Henry Ferrers, and daughter of Sir John Hampden of Great Hampden, by whom he had two daughters, Amphyllis and Elizabeth.[6] Crisp also states that Newdigate married, and by an unnamed wife who died in 1524 had an only daughter, Amphyllis, who married Thomas Breme after 3 September 1545.[8]
However Hendriks and Doreau question whether Newdigate ever married,[9][10] and Richardson states that Newdigate's alleged wife, Katherine Hampden, widow of Henry Ferrers, and daughter and heiress of Sir John Hampden, married a different member of the Newdigate family, Thomas Newdigate, gentleman, of Wivelsfield, Sussex, the son of Walter Newdigate.[11]”
In the Will of Richard Newdegate of Herfelde (Harefield) Middlesex, 1546 (precis here - https://archive.org/details/surreyarchaeolo06surr/page/262/mode/2up?q=sebastian), whilst not confirming a marriage for Sebastian, does contain a bequest to "Amphillis Newdegate, daughter of Sebastian Newdegate, on the day of her marriage, xx li”. Records held at Warwick Record Office for “Newdegate family of Arbury-13th century - 20th century; Doc Ref No CR0136/C2161; Sale of house in Uxbridge” refers to the “Sale of house in Uxbridge; date 16 March 1564; Description: Grant by John Newdegate to Thomas & Amphelis Browne (daughter of Sebastian Newdigate), of a messuage in Uxbridge". In British History on-line; London and Middlesex Fines: 1-12 Elizabeth', in A Calendar To the Feet of Fines For London and Middlesex: Volume 2, Henry VII - 12 Elizabeth, ed. W J Hardy and W Page (London, 1893), pp. 105-159 they are referred to as “Thomas Breame, and Amphelicia”. NB In the Will of John Newdegate of Harefield Serjeant-at-Law he bequeathed to his son Sebastian property in Weybridge and Hillingdon.
I would also query the statement in 'Hendriks' which states "Betham says that he was married; but if this be correct he must have been a mere youth at the time, and his consort must have died very soon; for Chauncy distinctly states that in 1535 he was still young' - Sebastian's birth of 7 September 1500 is recorded here https://archive.org/details/fragmentagenealo12cris_0/page/2/mode/2up ; making him 35 in 1535, hardly 'still young'.
First, Katherine cannot be the wife of Sebastian Newdigate said to have died in 1524 as she was still married to Henry Ferrers in 1526. Second, it is unlikely Katherine Hampton would have married someone raised in the court of Henry VIII, from a family from Middlesex. Third, it does not explain away the various Visitation records which have her married to Thomas Newdigate of Wivelsfield.
You have two references which say Sebastian Newdigate married Katherine Hampden - the 1847 History and Antiquities of the County of Buckingham and Dictionary of National Biography article which is copying the first. We have no primary documnets to show any connection between Sebastian Newdigate and the Hampton family. This is not enough to change her marriage.
The source [20] The Atheneum states "According to Betham's 'Baronage' he entered the Charterhouse in 1524 on the death of his wife - a fact of which Father Doreau finds no record elsewhere, and which, he might have told us, is certainly inaccurate, at least in point of date, for it appears by the Patent Rolls that he had a grant of a wardship given him on October 24th 1526".
24 October 1526. Sebastian Nudigate. Wardship of John s. and h. of Wm. Hampdon.
Interesting that it is the wardship of Hampden.
Letters and papers, foreign and domestic of the Reign of Henry VIII, v.4 pt.2 1526-1528. (London, 1872): page 1152.
edited by Chris Weston
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