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Robert Harris Sr. (abt. 1626 - 1701)

Robert Harris Sr.
Born about in Englandmap [uncertain]
Ancestors ancestors
[spouse(s) unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 75 in New Kent County, Colony of Virginiamap [uncertain]
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Biography

This profile is part of the Harris Name Study.

Robert Harriswas born about 1626 in England, son of William Harris (~1596–~1656) and Ellen Burrows (~1599–1670).

Came to Virginia from England about 1650. Married Mrs. Mary (Claiborne) Rice, daughter of William Claiborne, in 1660, [1]

Robert Harris settled in York County around 1650. The descendants of Rob- ert spread up the York River watershed into the Shenandoah Valley and over the mountains into Kentucky. These are the Midwest Harrises. He also left descendants on the peninsula which can be followed into the middle 1700s.

Robert died in 1701 in New Kent County, Colony of Virginia, aged about 74. Buried at Harris Graveyard, Hanover Co., VA

Children

His children were:

Research Notes

Conflated / Duplicated?

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They variously share wife Mary Claiborne, same birth, or death in 1701 in New Kent Co.

Father of William

Research of Malcolm Hart Harris, M. D. [deceased] posted in THE VIRGINIA GENEALOGIST: Dr. Harris concluded that there was little doubt that Robert Harris was the father of William Harris, who settled in the Forks in Hanover Co., another burned county. Dr. Harris examined the records of the Land Office which were kept by the Secretary of the Colony of VA. He states: There is no record of a patent being issued to Robert Harris in New Kent Co., but in a patent to George Browne, 29 April 1659, Browne's 200 acres is described as lying on the north side of the head branches of Ware Creek, on William Gilliam and Mr. Overman and southwest on a branch parting from Robert Harris. Dr. Harris refers readers to patents in Vol. 4-268 as complied by Nell Marion Nugent in Cavaliers and Pioneers, Vol. 1. This land was owned by Robert Harris from prior to 1659 until after 1675/6----Sometime before 9 Oct. 1673 George Brown died. On that date a warrant was issued by Sir William Berkeley, the governer, to the Escheator of New Kent County......Dr. Harris lists jurymen, Wm. Overton, Evan Jones and Robt. Harris. Jury records confirms that Robert Harris was qualified for jury service, was a freeholder and resident of the County of New Kent ca 1673......Harris names listed in the Vestry Book of Saint Pauls Parish prior to the formation of Hanover Co. VA were: William, John, Christopher, Robert Sr., Robert Jr., and Richard Harris.

Review

According to a note on a profile that has since been merged with this one: This Robert Harris is NOT married to Mary Claiborne Rice.[2]

In Aylsebury England, there was another Robert Harris who had a daughter that married William Piggott/Puckett. The Piggott/Puckett, Harris, Gunganey, Hoare and several others had family members who moved to America from Alysebury, England and settled in Virginia.

Robert Harris (b. Abt. 1636, d. Abt. 1701)
Robert Harris was born Abt. 1636 in Jamestown, VA, and died Abt. 1701 in Blissland Parish, New Kent Co., VA.He married Mary Claiborne? on 1660 in New Kent Co., VA. Includes NotesNotes for Robert Harris: Occupation: Planter This Robert Harris appears in numerous family trees, but his place of birth is a subject of much dispute. Some say he was born in Glamorgan, Wales, and emigrated from there about 1650-1661 and located in the "Forks of Hanover" colony of Virginia, while others say he was born in the vicinity of Jamestown, VA. We are not certain whom he married, nor do we know for sure the identiy of his parents.Was his father Thomas or William Harris?The following comments address some of these issues. Robert may have worked in the tobacco house of a man named Rice, who soon died, leaving the door open for him to marry Mr. Rice's widow.The general consensus is that he married Mrs. Mary Claiborne Rice, daughter of Elizabeth Butler and William Claiborne (1587-1676).However, this is in dispute, as we see in the following quote:"Now, despite it not being my line and really none of my business, I'm still going to say it: THERE IS NO MARY CLAIBORNE WHO WAS A DAUGHTER OF WILLIAM CLAIBORNE! WILLIAM CLAIBORNE HAD NO SECOND DAUGHTER NAMED MARY!ROBERT HARRIS OF NEW KENT IN 1662 WAS NOT MARRIED TO ANYONE NAMED MARY CLAIBORNE RICE!Malcolm Hart Harris is generally credited with being the source of the Mary Claiborne myth, but as Mr. Wallace indicates in his post, Malcolm Hart Harris only made a very slim case that Robert Harris MIGHT have been married to a daughter of William Claiborne. Harris researchers ever since have taken that and made a whole lot more of it than Malcolm Hart Harris ever intended."Source: J. Phillip Harris, 3/2/2003. "I know a number of genealogies show this man as the son of Thomas Harris, but I think that's just one of those inaccuracies that got put into print and won't go away. I've never seen any real evidence of that, and, in fact, the evidence that exists seems to suggest Thomas Harris' "only" son was William Harris. The work that Helen Harris Ott did during her six years in Essex has a genealogy that traces Robert Harris back to William Harris, the eldest son of William Harris of Shenfield by his first marriage to Joanne Smythe. This needs more work as well as Joanne Smythe's possible connections to the Smythe family. Robert Harris settled in York County around 1650 and supposedly married the daughter of William Claiborne. Claiborne has suggested connections to the Smythe family, as well, with his wife, Elizabeth Butler, supposedly being connected to the marriage of Ursula Smythe to William Boteler. The descendants of Robert Harris spread up the York River watershed into the Shenandoah Valley and over the mountains into Kentucky. These are the Midwest Harrises. He also left descendants on the Peninsula which can be followed into the middle 1700s, but I still can't quite make the connection, although the proximity is so close it's unreal." Source: J. Phillip Harris 603 Wexwood Court Richmond, Virginia 23236-4138 1999 publication, Colonial Families of Surry and Isle of Wight Counties, Virginia, Volume 2, by John Anderson Brayto n of Memphis, Tennessee. His book is important to all of us because he maintains that a Robert Harris is the father of Mary Harris and that little is known of his background. Much in RootsWeb.com and FamilySearch.com information leads us instead to a Thomas Harris/Alice West or Thomas Harris /Adria Osborne and an extensive genealogical tree behind him. My interest is that a part of my family was the Philips, which are, in part the descendants of Mary Harris (b. 1636 and m. 1667 - the second time she married a Matthew Swann and their daughter Mary married a William Philips). Source: Stanley F. Rose 3/21/2001 More About Robert Harris: Burial: Unknown, Harris Graveyard, Hanover Co., VA. More About Robert Harris and Mary Claiborne?: Marriage: 1660, New Kent Co., VA. Children of Robert Harris and Mary Claiborne? are: +Robert Harris II, b. 1663, The Forks, New Kent, Hanover Co., VA, d. Abt. 1740, Isle of Wight Co., VA127, 128, 129.

DNA Information

The Gleaves, Glosser, Hunter, and Rogers Home Page
Glen Gohr Harris DNA Group 6 under Claiborne Ned Harris, Son of Richard Harris of Granville Co. NC might tell us something about our heritage from Elizabeth Harris, dau. of Sherwood Harris Sr. of the same county. Group 6 carries the DNA line of RM269 and may tie into Sherwood Harris and his brothers, Robert III and Richard who married Kimbrough. Study continues.

Sources

  1. The Gentry family in America, 1676 to 1909 : including notes on the following families related to the Gentrys : Claiborne, Harris, Hawkins, Robinson, Smith, Wyatt, Sharp, Fulkerson, Butler, Bush, Blythe, Pabody, Noble, Haggard, and Tindall by Gentry, Richard, b. 1846 Publication date 1909 Publisher New York : Grafton Press
  2. included in text of a merged profile. No other information. In close proximity was William Harris of Jamestown & Descendants Part 1 on RootsWeb.




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See Conflated/Duplicated research note. Chose this profile from the list as the lowest numbered. Any that are not duplicates should also be added due to conflation risk.

US Southern Colonies Project adding project management (PMP) and project protection (PPP) as co-manager—duplicated.

Please continue to manage normally, and review US Southern Colonies Project Editing Guidance before editing.

posted by Ken Spratlin
According to Colonial Families of the USA, 1607-1775, vol. VII, the parents of Robert Harris were Thomas Harris (second in command to Thomas Osborne) and Adria Osborne. William Claiborne did indeed have two daughters, Jane who married Thomas Bereton, and Mary Elizabeth who appears in some records as Elizabeth and others Mary, e.g., The National Society of the Claiborne Family Descendants has her as Elizabeth, and North America, Family Histories, 1500-2000, has her as Mary. Dates of birth are unclear. So despite the vehemence, Phil Harris's refusal to accept there was a second William Claiborne daughter who was a contemporary of Robert Harris seems unfounded. As for Robert Harris's parents I've not seen good evidence for either William or Thomas. Does anyone have any DNA based arguments?
posted by Dan Ward
In his "William Harris of Jamestown, Phil Harris, email [email address removed] states:

"The one thing I refuse to use as support for my conclusions is the myth about Mary Claiborne Rice being the wife of this Robert Harris. It simply is not true. There is a very valid explanation for this whole story. One simply has to examine the factual records as well as Rice genealogy. Thomas Rice came to Virginia in 1683, which is confirmed by records in the Bristol Register. He married a woman named Marcey, and St. Peter's Parish records in New Kent County show them having a son, Edward, born on 17 April 1690 (IGI North America C504901). This Edward Rice died in Goochland County in 1769 and in his will named his wife Mary who was said to be a Claiborne. The name "Claiborne" often appears as a given name among the Rice descendants. Whether this Mary Rice remarried a Harris is not known nor does it matter. The whole story occurred two generations after the traditional Harris genealogy has it happening. The sad thing is that Rice researchers figured this out a long time ago, but Harris researchers continue to hang on to the false information. William Claiborne had only one daughter, Jane, who married Thomas Brereton about 1658. There was no Mary Claiborne in Robert Harris's time. There was no Edward Rice in that time. You will not find a single valid record that lists anyone by either one of those names in that period of time. It was always said that Robert Harris named his first son William after his famous father-in-law. That, of course, cannot be true because William Claiborne was not his father-in-law. But he probably did name him after his own father, William Harris of Jamestown." In the above biography, there is a question mark after Mary Elizabeth Claiborne's name. I would propose that based on this statement by Phil Harris, Mary Claiborne is not the spouse of Robert Harris, Sr.

If his parents were married in Jamestown, VA, in 1624 and his older and younger siblings were born there, it is unlikely he was born in England.
posted by Michael Stafford
edited by Michael Stafford
Harris-2878 and Harris-1869 are not ready to be merged because: There is a research note added to this profile which indicates these are not duplicates. The wife might be attached incorrectly to both.
posted by Paula J
Harris-2878 and Harris-1869 appear to represent the same person because: This appears to be a duplicate because they are attached to the same husband. There is some variation in the date of death. Either these are two different people and one needs to be detached from the husband or they are the same and should be merged. Dates can be edited afterwards. Thanks!
posted by Paula J
Harris-23619 and Harris-1869 appear to represent the same person because: dups with same spouse
posted by N Gauthier
Harris-2878 and Harris-23619 appear to represent the same person because: 3 times, same person but different info
posted on Harris-23619 (merged) by [Living Fulford]
I would be happy to let someone else who has more resources on this Harris family take over as manager.
posted by Linda Plummer
Harris-2878 and Harris-1869 are not ready to be merged because: disputes in both these profiles
posted by Teresa Downey
Harris-2878 and Harris-1869 appear to represent the same person because: Same name, exact same spouse on both profiles, similar birth year/place, similar death place. If this merge should not happen then the spouse should be removed from one... unless, of course, she married two men with same name!

Thank you for reviewing, Teresa (WikiTree Arborist)

posted by Teresa Downey
Harris-23619 and Harris-1869 are not ready to be merged because: Robert Harris is a common name. More source info is needed before this merge is completed.
posted by Linda Plummer
received the following upon save:
Warning: Check the data.
  • A child's birth date should not be before a parent is six years old.
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
and... then I read the source closer. While it has William Harris (the William attached as father for this profile) coming to Virginia with William Claiborne, it is also the source of the following statement:

"The one thing I refuse to use as support for my conclusions is the myth about Mary Claiborne Rice being the wife of this Robert Harris. It simply is not true. There is a very valid explanation for this whole story. One simply has to examine the factual records as well as Rice genealogy."

So I'll detach Claiborne-3 as wife of this Robert (Harris-1869). Thanks for spurring action William!

Cheers, Liz

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
The note on this profile says he wasn't married to Claiborne. Claiborne-3 says she wasn't a Claiborne.

this article by a Harris researcher shows a Claiborne connection with the William Harris from Willingale Doe.

Detaching Claiborne-3 from this profile doesn't seem right, but with the note that she wasn't married to this Robert, it seems wrong to detach her from the other Robert Harris.

Sources are needed all around.

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Harris-2878 and Harris-1869 do not represent the same person because: William - I think you meant to propose a merge of a different set of people? These profiles are not duplicates.
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Harris-2878 and Harris-1869 appear to represent the same person because: This needs to be cleaned up carefully, but clearly a duplicate.
posted by William Foster Jr
Harris-16297 and Harris-1869 are not ready to be merged because: Clearly same person, but their parents are different.
posted by William Foster Jr

Unmerged matches › Robert Harris (abt.1635-abt.1701)
Rejected matches › Robert Harris (abt.1635-abt.1701)