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Maria Margarethe (Herr) Wäber (abt. 1668 - 1725)

Maria Margarethe Wäber formerly Herr aka Weber
Born about [location unknown]
Ancestors ancestors
Daughter of [uncertain] and [uncertain]
Wife of — married before 1683 in Zürich, Canton Zürich, Switzerlandmap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 57 in Strasburg, Chester County, Colony of Pennsylvania, British Colonial Americamap
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Biography

Text copied from Find A Grave: [1]

Birth: 1663, Zurich, Switzerland
Death: Dec. 1, 1725 Pequea, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, USA
Maria is the daughter of the Rev. Hans Herr and Elizabeth Mylin (Kendig) Herr of Switzerland. She married her husband Johann on 1680 in Baretswill, Switzerland.
The family is listed in "Martyrs Mirror" as landing in Amsterdam, Holland from the Palatinate in 1693. Shortly after that the moved on to Freidrichstadt in Schleswig-Holstein, Germany. Then in 1710 the family immigrated to America.
The family moved for the last time in 1717 to Weaverland, Lancaster Co., PA.
Between 1683 and 1695 they had 4 boys and a girl named: John Herr, Jacob Herr, Henry Herr, George Herr and Maria Herr Weber.
The three sons of Johan and Maria Weber, were some of the first settlers in the Weaverland Valley but John himself never lived there. John & Maria lived and died in the Pequa Valley, on the other side of the hill which divides the Pequea and Weaverland valleys.
Johann & Maria Weber was probably buried at Weizenthal [the name of the Weber plantation] as the first in a long line of Weavers buried in the old Weaver family burying ground there. The Weaver family stopped using this burial ground about 1850.
No longer marked, the graveyard is located in a field in West Lampeter Township. The 21 marked graves were moved to Longenecker's Reformed Mennonite cemetery in the 1930s. The other 40-odd unmarked graves remain in the field and Johann Anton is undoubteldy among them. (William Woys Weaver: Mennonite Research Journal, January, 1973, pp.10-11)

Children:

  1. John Weber (1683 - 1775)*
  2. Jacob H. Weaver (1688 - 1747)*
  3. Henry Weber (1690 - 1745)*
  4. George Weber (1693 - 1772)*
  5. Maria Herr Weber Landis (1695 - 1787)*

Burial

Note: See photo of pioneer home "Weizenthal" for info on burial site.
Burial: Unknown[1]

Research Notes

Note #1 - From Database of Brent L. Rodes at rootsweb.com 06/10 - "Her last name being Herr and the daughter of Hans is speculative".

Note #2 - From Topchy-1 13:16, 18 March 2014 (EDT) - Only one Maria is listed as the daughter of Hans Herr and Elizabeth Kendig in T.W Herr. That Maria married Benedict Brackbill. This Maria could be an unlisted daughter of Hans Herr, using "Margarethe" as the preferred name to distinguish between the two.[2]

Note #3 - Jack Gilchrist, April 2013 - Notes on Margaretha Sieber Herr - There is much speculation and genealogy records that suggest that Margaretha Sieber "Maria" Herr (b.1663, d.1725) and her sister Maria Herr (b.1673, d.1725) are in fact he same person. This is supported by the fact that currently they are both recorded to have died on 1 Dec 1725 in Strasburg, Lancaster Co., PA. The birth dates of Margaretha's children by John Weber (Johann Anton Weber) between 1683 & 1695 and those of her sister Maria between 1702 & 1704 in the same place with the father being Benedictus Brackbill (b.1665, d.1720) would have made this a possibility if Margaretha divorced John Weber (Johann Anton Weber) and remarried in 1701 to Benedictus Brackbill. However I have found nothing in the history of any of their offspring to suggest this happened. Combined with the fairly well documented fact that John Weber (Johann Anton Weber) lived until 1724 and divorce was rare in the Mennonite community I continue to believe Margaretha and Maria Herr were two separate individuals.

Note #4 - Bob Weaver January, 2017 - Note from Mennonite Research Journal - April, 1973 - The Estate Papers of Johann Anton Weber - William Woys Weaver - States that the widow of Johann's wife is Maria Margarethe Weber. It doesn't give us a maiden name, but it proves they were married and not divorced at time of Johann's death.

Note #5 - Bill Horder, July 2023 - According to Dutch Mennonite records, on 6 April 1672, Maria Margrethe's purported parents, Hans Herr and Elsbeth Lötscher were living in Mannheim, in the Palatinate, in what is now Germany: "Hans Herr, about 20, and Elsbet Lötscher, his wife, age 22, no children. These people can feed themselves from their linen weaving." [3] [4] So either Maria Margrethe was born after 1672, or she was not a child of this marriage.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Find A Grave: Memorial #46921878 for Maria Margarethe Herr Weber.
  2. Genealogical record of Reverend Hans Herr and his direct lineal descendants from his birth A.D. 1639 to the present time containing the names, etc. of 13223 persons," Lancaster, PA: T.W. Herr, Examiner Printing House; ©1908 Page 1, Line #8
  3. Stadsarchief Amsterdam, Toegangsnummer (Access number): 565.A “Archief van de Doopsgezinde Gemeenten” (Archives of the Mennonite Congregations), Inventarisnummer (Inventory number): 1196: “Specificatie van uitgaven ten behoeve der Zwitserche broeders …” (Specification of Expenses for the Swiss Brothers, Fled to the Palatinate, …) , image 8 of 19.
  4. Lowry, James W., et al., Documents of Brotherly Love: Dutch Mennonite Aid to Swiss Anabaptists, Volume I, 1635-1709. (2007) p. 455.

See also:

  • U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 Publication: Name: Yates Publishing. U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004
  • Jane Evans Best, "Swiss Origins of Groff, Hess, Weber, Landis, and Oberholtzer Families," Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage, Vol. XIII , No. 2 9-25, April, 1990
  • Herr, Theodore W., "Genealogical record of Reverend Hans Herr and his direct lineal descendants : from his birth A.D. 1639 to the present time containing the names, etc. of 13223 persons," Lancaster, PA: T.W. Herr, Examiner Printing House; ©1908; FHL film #985738
  • Ancestry Family Trees: 2 citations provide evidence for Death, Birth, Name, Marriage Genealogies of Pennsylvania Families from the Pennsylvania Genealogical Magazine. Volume III: Stauffer-Zerbe




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Is there any evidence to support the maiden name of Herr for Maria Margrethe, wife of Johann Anton Wäber? The only evidence presented in the profile is a memorial stone that was placed two centuries after her death (FindAGrave memorial #46921878).
posted by William Horder
U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 Publication: Name: Yates Publishing. U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.

Name Hans Weber Gender Male Birth Place SW Birth Year 1657 Spouse Name Maria Margaretha Herr Spouse Birth Year 1665 Marriage Year 1689 Number Pages 1

posted by Bob Weaver
Ancestry.com describes that source as “This unique collection of records was extracted from a variety of sources including family group sheets and electronic databases. Originally, the information was derived from an array of materials including pedigree charts, family history articles, querie.”

So we have no way to determine the reliability of the information, or find the original source document. The record could be based on an incorrect family group sheet that somebody created. And if the data is correct, then Maria Margaretha Herr was not the daughter of Hans Herr and Elsbeth Lötscher since they had no children as of 1672. (See Note #5)

posted by William Horder
Herr-72 and Herr-210 do not represent the same person because: it would not let me reverse the merge order
posted by Sandy (Minder) Barnett

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