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Agatha (Hess) Wahl (1604 - aft. 1630)

Agatha Wahl formerly Hess
Born in Wessel, Unna, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germanymap
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married 21 Jun 1625 in Berleburg, Wittgenstein, Westphalia, Prussia, Germanymap
[children unknown]
Died after after age 26 in Düsseldorf, Düsseldorf, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germanymap
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Contents

Biography

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N.B. I am detaching Jacob Van de Walle as the son of Jacobus Van de Walle, born 1600, and Agatha (Hess) Van de Walle, born 1604, as he was born too early (1610) and is not listed as a son on ‘’Genie.com’‘ (URL: https://www.geni.com/people/Agatha-Wahl-Hesse/6000000000139123415 Accessed 27 Apr 2019). If you have reasonable dates and a valid source, please enter that information here and notify me and/or a profile manager. Thank you. [[Prickett-120|Patricia Prickett Hickin, 27 Apr 2019.

Her daughter is NOT the Elizabeth who married Rosier Levering

Agatha Hess was born in 1604, possibly in Wesel, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany.
On 21 June 1625, when she was in her early twenties, she married Jacobus Van de Walle. She bore him one known child, a son whom they named Jacob.
On 21 May 1626, when she was in her early twenties she died, possibly from complications of childbirth, in Düsseldorf, Düsseldorf, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany.
Alternate year of death: 1630, when she was in her mid-twenties.

Research Notes

A christening: 21 May 1626; Gemen, Westfalen, Preußen, Germany has been shown on several trees for Elizabeth. Upon searching records, the only christening found was an Elsbet Wahl on 28 Feb 1630, daughter of Johannes Wahl and Agatha Hess in Berleburg.[1] Besides being a different date than the 21 May 1626 given for Elizabeth Van de Walle, her son Johan Wigard said specifically in his will that she was born in Wesel. It is unlikely that this Elisabeth Van de Walle's parents traveled all the way from Wesel to Berleburg (over 200 km away) just to christen their daughter, when there were many other churches much closer. It is much more likely that her

parents are Jacobus Van de Wall and Cathelyn Gardebout who were from nearby Leiden, Holland where it is believed her family came from.[2]

Also, "Deutschland Heiraten, 1558-1929," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JHSR-NV4 : 11 February 2018), Johannes Wahlen and Christina Roden, 09 Jan 1622; citing Evangelisch, Berleburg Stadt, Westfalen, Prussia; FHL microfilm 591,326. has been indicated as a potential match for her parents, again, these people are located in a different part of the world that indicated by other sources.

From Geni.com

Agathe Wahl (Hesse) was born about 1604 in Siegen-Wittgenstein, Arnsberg, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany, the daughter of Simon Hesse and Barbara Hess.
She married Johannes Wahl and bore him four known children, two sons and two daughters:
  1. Elisabeth Van de Walle (Levering)
  2. Hans Georg Wahl
  3. Elsbet Wahl
  4. Maria Wahl.[3]


Elizabeth Levering (van de Walle)
Born May 21, 1626 in Wessel, Westphalia, Germany]; Died 1662 in Gemen, Munster, Westphalia, Germany; Buried Gemen, Munster, Westphalia, Germany.
Family: Daughter of Jacobus van de Walle and Agatha Wahl; Wife of Rosier Gerhardt Levering; Mother of John Wigard Levering; Elizabeth Levering; Eberhard Enert Levering; William Rosier Levering; [-? daughter-] Levering and 4 others; Sister of Jacob Van De Walle; Half sister of Jacob Van der Walle.[4]

Citations

  1. "Deutschland Geburten und Taufen, 1558-1898," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2DC-26P : 11 February 2018), Elsbet Wahl, 28 Feb 1630; citing ; FHL microfilm 591,326.
  2. "Netherlands, Archival Indexes, Vital Records," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLRB-BDVJ : 13 October 2017), Jacob van de Walle and Cathelijne Gardebout, Marriage 04 Jun 1616, Leiden, Zuid-Holland, Nederland; from database, openarchives (https://www.openarch.nl : 2016); citing Archiefnaam: Nederlands Hervormd Ondertrouw (1575-1795), Deel: 8, Periode: 1614-1619, archive 1004, inventory number 8, record number , folio H - 118v; Archiefnaam: Nederlands Hervormd Ondertrouw (1575-1795), Deel: 8, Periode: 1614-1619; Erfgoed Leiden.
  3. Glenn Edward Malone, “Agathe Wahl (Hesse),” born 1604. Reord added on May 15, 2008. Geni.com. URL: https://www.geni.com/people/Agatha-Wahl-Hesse/6000000000139123415 Accessed 27 April 2019.
  4. Stephen G. Seman II, Profile Manager, “Elisabeth Van de Walle (Levering),” Last Updated: October 30, 2017. Geni.com. URL: https://www.geni.com/people/Elisabeth-Van-de-Walle-Levering/6000000007745073238. Accessed 29 Apr 2019.

Acknowledgments

  • [Living Morgan] created Agatha (Hess) Van de Walle (1604-1626) on 8 Dec 2016.

Sources

  • The biographical and genealogical records of the Fite families in the United States.
  • The Compendium of American Genealogy, Vol. I.
  • "Deutschland Heiraten, 1558-1929," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JHSR-2QB : 11 February 2018), Johannes Wahl and Agatha Hessens, 21 Jun 1625; citing Evangelisch, Berleburg Stadt, Westfalen, Prussia; FHL microfilm 591,326.
  • Jones, Horatio Gates. The Levering family, or, A genealogical account of Wigard Levering and Gerhard Levering.
  • Levering, John. Levering family, history and genealogy. Indianapolis?: Levering Historical Association, 1897.
  • Laurel Black Morris <picolat@yahoo.com> Laurel Black Morris Ancestry Studies: Black-McCoy Tillman-Rath [citing Ancestral Files]

Note: This source relies on The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Ancestral File (TM), (June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998). etc. and I think is basically very unreliable.

  • Genealogies of Pennsylvania Families from the Pennsylvania Genealogical Magazine. Volume III: Stauffer-Zerbe
  • Colonial and Revolutionary families of Pennsylvania : genealogical and personal memoirs. New York: Lewis Pub. Co., 1911.
  • Yates Publishing, U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900.




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I finally got a message from the person who is maintaining the Geni profiles,

"I think like you, Johannes Wahl have nothing to do with Jacobus van de Walle" She agreed that the Geni.com profiles are conflated. So, I think the sources I added below are for this person, and her name was Hessen, not Hess.

posted by Robin Lee
Well her husband was probably Johannes Jacobus.
posted by [Living Prickett]
Two children

"Deutschland Geburten und Taufen, 1558-1898," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2DC-265 : 11 February 2018), Johannes Wahl in entry for Elsbet Wahl, 28 Feb 1630; citing ; FHL microfilm 591,326. "Deutschland Geburten und Taufen, 1558-1898," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFJT-BSM : 11 February 2018), Johannes Wahl in entry for Hans Georg Wahl, 05 Aug 1627; citing ; FHL microfilm 591,326.

posted by Robin Lee
"Deutschland Heiraten, 1558-1929," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JHSR-2QB : 11 February 2018), Johannes Wahl and Agatha Hessens, 21 Jun 1625; citing Evangelisch, Berleburg Stadt, Westfalen, Prussia; FHL microfilm 591,326.

I think that her husband was actually Johannes instead of Jacobus

posted by Robin Lee
Hess-2775 and Hess-195 appear to represent the same person because: identical dates
posted by Robin Lee
The only original sources found do not indicate a name for Elizabeth's mother, nor for the wife of Jacobus, the father of Elizabeth. None of the sources copied from Jacobus' profile indicate a wife's name. I would like to remove all the sources that were added that have nothing to do with this person.
posted by Robin Lee
Jacob was born when his mother was six years old???
posted by [Living Prickett]
It appears that Hess-195 and Hess-2775 could be the same person. Same birth date and same death date. Same portion of birth location the same. Same location of death the same.

Husbands are different.

Hess-1084 and Hess-195 appear to represent the same person because: dates the same, places similar.

This is an "orphaned" profile — there's no Profile Manager to watch over it. If you're a descendant of Agatha Van de Walle or have a special interest in honoring her life, please adopt this profile.

Hess-1084 and Hess-195 appear to represent the same person because: dates the same, places similar, husband's name is the same
posted by Robin Lee

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