Vincent Hobbs I
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Vincent Thomas Hobbs I (abt. 1720 - 1808)

Vincent Thomas [uncertain] Hobbs I
Born about in Dorchester, Dorset, Englandmap
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Husband of — married 1742 (to 1752) in Marylandmap
Husband of — married 1752 (to 1808) in Frederick, Frederick, Marylandmap
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Died at about age 88 in Lee County, Virginia, United Statesmap
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Biography

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Vincent Hobbs I was a Maryland colonist.
1776 Project
Vincent Hobbs I performed Patriotic Service in Virginia in the American Revolution.
Daughters of the American Revolution
Vincent Hobbs I is a DAR Patriot Ancestor, A055983.

VINCENT HOBBS SR served in Captain Daniel Smith's Company of Elk Garden Fort Militia, 1774[1]
Officer in Captain Isaac Shelby's Militia[2]
DAR Ancestor# A055983[3] Vincent Thomas Hobbs
Birth: 1722 in Dorchester,England
Death: 26 May 1808 in Dryden, VA
Father: James Hobbs
Mother: Margaret (Veale) Hobbs
Spouse: 1st Mary Hannah Shelby
Spouse: 2nd Ruth Thomas

Vincent left England for America with his two brothers, William and Beal. Beal remained in Maryland and William moved to North Carolina. After Vincent married they lived upstream above tidewater, on the southern shores of the Potomac River. Then later, Vincent and Mary moved to Guilford County, North Carolina. They remained in North Carolina for a few years during the Revolutionary War aiding the American colonies.

During the Revolutionary War, he served in the Virginia State Militia, at various times serving with Captain Daniel Smith's Company at Elk Garden (October 1774), with Captain Joseph Cloyd's Company in Montgomery County (Febraury 1788), and with Colonel Reese Bowen's Company at the Battle of King's Mountain.

Then his family moved near the present city of Bristol, Va/TN on the North fork of the Holston river, now known as Benham, Virginia. About 1780 the Hobbs family moved to Powell Valley, most of the married children moved also. They came to the settlement known as Turkey Cove. Vincent and Mary purchased a 330 acre farm in 1793, located on both sides of Powell River two miles south of Dryden, Virginia. They built a three story house and he is buried on the farm.[4] Children: William HOBBS b: 1743
Rebecca HOBBS b: 1745
Vincent II HOBBS b: 1746 in Maryland
Thomas HOBBS b: 1749
Hannah HOBBS b: 1751
Abner HOBBS b: 1753
James HOBBS b: 16 May 1759
Job Hobbs b: 21 June 1759
William Hobbs b: 1760
Rachael HOBBS b: 14 Nov 1761
Ezekial HOBBS b: 1762 in Near Hagerstown Md
Mary Polly HOBBS b: 1763
Absolom HOBBS b: 1764
Ruth Hobbs b: 1769
[5]

Burial

Vincent Hobbs Cemetery
Dryden, Lee County, Virginia
Plot: Off Screech Trail Road
Memorial ID 187268136[6] Or Buried: De Busk Family Cemetery, Lee County, Virginia.

Notations on Vincent Hobbs/Mary Hannah Shelby:
“ 338. Vincent HOBBS Sr.89 was born about 1720 in Dorchester, England.89 He immigrated in 1735 to Port of Dover, DE.89 He married Mary Hannah SHELBY who is referred to as "Hannah" on most legal documents. She is believed to have been a niece of Evan SHELBY, Sr., who died in Maryland before the rest of the SHELBY family moved to Southwest Virginia. Vincent HOBBS remained in Maryland until about 1769 when he and his son-in-law, John BENHAM, went to Holston region of Southwest Virginia. John BENHAM built a fort there. BENHAM made a settlement in Turkey Cove in Lee County about 1780, but Abingdon people claim he and his wife are buried in an marked grave near Abingdon. Vincent HOBBS was born about 1720 and died after 1808. The last known record for Vincent and wife appeared in a Court of Quarters Sessions hearing for Lee County on the 26 day of May 1808. It ordered that the overseers of the poor receive Vincent HOBBS and his wife on their list and provide for them according to the law. It is not known exactly when or where they died. They are believed to have been buried along the Powell River, two miles below DeBusk Mill near Dryden, Virginia. Vincent HOBBS married about 1742 in Maryland. When his son, Job, applied for his war pension in Arkansas, he stated his father was Vincent and his mother Ruth (nee THOMAS) HOBBS. Therefore, Vincent must have had two marriages. He moved in 1765 to Holston Valley, VA. 90 He served in the military on 4 Oct 1774. 9 0 He moved in 1780 to Turkey Cove, VA. He moved in Aug 1781 to Holston Valley, VA.90 He resided in 1795 in Washington Co., VA.89 He died in 1808 in Lee Co., VA.89 Vincent Hobbs' children were: James, who enlisted in C company to go against Indians and was gone 21 years and presumed dead by his family until his return; Mary (Polly) who married John Benham; Rebecca (Hannah) who married William Blanton, son of a member of the original group led by Daniel Boone to Kentucky; Vincent, Jr., who killed the Shawnee Chief Benge who had been responsible for 20 years of raids against the area; Joel, who fought in the Battle of King's Mountain; Ezekiel, our ancestor; Ruth; Rachel, born 24 Nov. 1767, who married John Russell 13 Sept. 1783. John's brother was killed along with Daniel Boone's son in an Indian raid; William, who was killed by Indians; Absalom, whose sons and grandsons migrated to Tipton County, IN, founding several towns including Indianapolis; and Job, who moved to the frontier five different times, eventually dying in Arkansas at age 100 plus. Vincent Hobbs suffered many material losses at the hands of the Indians, and additional losses as a result of impound.”...... excerpted from http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cgetting/genealogy/d767.htm

Notations of Marriage of Mary Shelby and Vincent Hobbs:
"Vincent Hobbs, born abt 1720, died about 1804, married about 1742, Mary Shelby born abt 1725." William Blanton, born abt 1748, died about 1804; married 1770 Rebecca Hobbs, born abt 1745, died about 1804" Transcribed from the family bible of William Blanton. Bible of William Blanton. N.p.,1721 Library of Virginia, Digital Collections" PDF http://image.lva.virginia.gov/BibleII/22676b.pdf ...

Research Notes

This Vincent Thomas was born before the Marriage of the noted parents* above which happened on 1 October 1722. (see source below) Warren Meads unsourced tree does not have a Vincent Thomas as a child of Nathaniel and Mary (Randell) Hobbs.

"Vincent Hobbs born about 1720 - Mary Shelby born about 1725 married 1742."
''William Blanton married Rebecca Hobbs in 1745."
Transcribed from the family bible of William Blanton.
Bible of William Blanton. N.p.,1721 Library of Virginia, Digital Collections"
 PDF http://image.lva.virginia.gov/BibleII/22676b.pdf

Signers of the Petition to the of Holston Division. These were men who were engaged in the Cherokee Expedition and were not present when there was a Division of Fincastle in the year 1776. Fincastle County, Virginia was created in 1772 from Botetourt County and abolished in 1776. It was divided into Montgomery, Washington and Kentucky Counties. The petition is a grievance sent to the President and the House of Delegates. Vincent Senior, Joel and Ezekiel Hobbs are listed on page three.
Petition of Holston Men. An American Family History https://www.anamericanfamilyhistory.com/TennesseeFamilies&Places/1777%20Petition.html

Payroll for 46 days service. Part of the index to the names of Virginia citizens or soldiers from the counties of Augusta, Bedford, Botetourt, Culpeper, and Fincastle who were compensated in 1775 for supplies and service during Dunmore's Expedition in 1774. This index covers individuals from the counties of Augusta, Bedford, Botetourt, and Fincastle only.
Library of Virginia Digital Collections https://lva.primo.exlibrisgroup.com/discovery/fulldisplay?docid=alma990012283030205756&context=L&vid=01LVA_INST:01LVA
Added by: Bradley-4416

  • Catherine (Coffman) Wilkes reports: "I have come across some documentation that his parents are: James Hobbs (1669-1731) and Margaret (Veale) Hobbs (1673-??)

"Marriage of James Hobbs and Margaret Veale: 17 March 1697, at Bideford, Devon, England

Catherine Wilkes continues: "James Hobbs, his wife Margaret Veale Hobbs, and their three minor sons: William, Abraham “Veale”, and Vincent Hobbs immigrated to America. It is documented through Maryland Land Grants and Deeds that James came earlier, about 1727-1728. Margaret and their sons William, Abraham, and Vincent followed in 1731. The family originally settled and purchased land in Maryland. James Hobbs died in 1731. Through Probate records, His widow Margeret was appointed a guardian, John Hobbs Sr, to legislate on her behalf."[7]


Indexed and Indexes for Patents series of the Maryland Land Office / Maryland. Land Office:

“Brief Extraction: Deed 1731, Anne Arundel County, Maryland: James Hobbs, dec'sd by Guardian, John Hobbs, Sr of Margaret Hobbs, widow and minor heirs William Hobbs age 15, Abraham Hobbs age 13 and Vincent Hobbs age 11 sells to John Hobbs, Sr...land description shares one line with his own (John Hobbs, Sr).

From the same Source: We find that James Hobbs had purchased from Abraham Hobbs (Maryland Land Grants) purchases in 1722, 1727 and 1730 from the Probate Records we find dated 1733: It was the 1730 Deed which was the Largest. Margaret Hobbs by Guardian John Hobbs, Sr would sell the 1727 Deed in 1733 when William would have been age 17 (not listed but used to show age here).

Same Source-----In 1738 Anne Arundel, Maryland, Deed: Abraham Veale-Hobbs and Vincent Hobbs having reached their ages of majority and their mother having died, sold the remaining Deed (dated 1722) to John Hobbs, Jr. (he has been appointed Margritt Hobbs, and minor heirs of William, Abraham and Vincent Hobbs in 1733 when his father John Hobbs, Sr had died) (Abraham "Veale" Hobbs age 20 and Vincent Hobbs age 18)....Deed description brief extraction...Original Land Grant of 300 acres to Abraham Hobbs dated 1671... resurveyed by Abraham Hobbs for 130 acres 1720 sold to John Hobbs...1722 John Hobbs, Sr sold 130 acres to James Hobbs”........extracted from Probate/Guardianship Records found in Maryland Archives

Sources

  1. ↑ Fort Wiki Forts: Elk Garden Fort
  2. ↑ American Revolution, Virginia
  3. ↑ DAR Genealogical Research Databases, #A055983
  4. ↑ Hobbs_Family_California
  5. ↑ From the Hobbs_Family_California website
  6. ↑ Find A Grave
  7. ↑ Book: Settlers of Maryland 1679 - 1783 by Peter Wilson Coldham, Consolidated Edition. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2002: Source: LDS Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah: USCAN Book 975.2 R2B Indexed and Indexes for Patents series of the Maryland Land Office / Maryland. Land Office:




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Jones-102730 Ashley Jones JD
Given the absence of profile manager disagreement or response, I have replaced disproven parents Nathaniel Hobbs and Maria Randel with correct parents per bio, James Hobbs and Margaret Veale.
posted by Ashley Jones JD
Jones-102730 Ashley Jones JD
A note about Vincent's wives: We know he had at least two: Mary Shelby and Ruth Thomas.

First, the biography section refers only to Vincent and Mary throughout. But Job was born in 1759 to Ruth. So anything Vincent did after his marriage to Ruth should be talking about "Vincent and Ruth," not "Vincent and Mary."

Second, with legal records also referring to his wife as "Hannah," and no primary records I am seeing that gives Mary Shelby a middle name (or Vincent, for that matter), there's a case to be made that he had a third wife. His biography should at least discuss this possibility.

posted by Ashley Jones JD
edited by Ashley Jones JD
Bradley-4416 Eileen Bradley
First. No, we don't know if he had two wifes. "We" don't know because there is no documentation. Second, If you have seen or have access to

"legal records also referring to his wife as "Hannah," and primary records that "gives Mary Shelby a middle name" please share.

posted by Eileen Bradley
Jones-102730 Ashley Jones JD
Respectfully, I believe we do know that. No, we don't have photographed primary sources, but the bio refers to a family Bible, "legal records," and a statement by Vincent's son, Job. I am simply asking questions from what is given here in this profile.

The family Bible says he married a Mary Shelby. The RootsWeb extract (referencing named family sources) refers to legal documents which name his wife "Hannah." (No, I don't have these or know what they are. I assume they are land records since that is mainly what others have in this time and location.) And his son, Job, stated unequivocally in that same extract that his mother was a Ruth Thomas.

Now, maybe Mary Shelby's middle name was Hannah. But there is no referenced source that gives her a middle name, and it would have been very unusual at the time. And we do know, if that extract is accurate, that Vincent had at least two wives, and possibly three if Hannah is a different woman than Mary. It was not at all unusual for a man to have two or three wives, considering how many died young in childbirth.

Considering the lack of sources, I think it is worth at least considering this possibility and discussing it on their profiles. I am only asking for an acknowledgement of the extraordinary uncertainty in this family. It's allegedly my direct line, so I'm more than a little interested in getting it as well sorted as we can.

posted by Ashley Jones JD
Jones-102730 Ashley Jones JD
And does anyone have a copy of the original page from the family Bible that was allegedly transcribed to prove the marriage of Vincent, born 1720 and Mary, born 1725, then their daughter, Rebecca, to William Blanton in 1745? Because as it's written, Rebecca marries when her father is 25, her mother is 20, and she is at most 3. That has to be a mistake.

edit: Okay, looking at the actual transcription, it has Rebecca born 1745 and married 1770. That needs to be corrected here.

Also, the link in the bio doesn't work. The transcription is here: http://image.lva.virginia.gov/BibleII/22676b.pdf

edit: I went ahead and orrected it.

posted by Ashley Jones JD
edited by Ashley Jones JD
Bradley-4416 Eileen Bradley
I added the LVA link. I found the record. The one the only. The link worked when I added it because I always checked my source citations before I save edits. And, no it was not "allegedly" transcribed to prove the marriage of Vincent and Mary, lol. It was "legitimately" copied by the Daughters of the American Revolution for their records. Also I have a hard time believing the the Library of Virginia would publish "mistakes."
posted by Eileen Bradley
edited by Eileen Bradley
Jones-102730 Ashley Jones JD
Thank you for adding the original link. Unfortunately, they do sometimes break. These things are always a work in progress.

And respected institutions do make mistakes, so I think it was a fair question, especially considering the inconsistency I first noted before tracking down a working link with the correct text.

posted by Ashley Jones JD
Bradley-4416 Eileen Bradley
https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Hobbs-144&diff=90455074&oldid=89916477 Changes made by Eileen Bradley at 18:31, 2 September 2019. Third item in research notes - Link I added to William Blanton bible at 18:31, 2 September 2019.

http://image.lva.virginia.gov/BibleII/22676b.pdf

Link you added "considering the inconsitency and tracking down a working link." http://image.lva.virginia.gov/BibleII/22676b.pdf

posted by Eileen Bradley
Bradley-4416 Eileen Bradley
First paragraph of research notes I added. "Vincent Hobbs born about 1720 - Mary Shelby born about 1725 married 1742. Transcribed from the family bible of William Blanton. William Blanton married Rebecca Hobbs in 1745." Last entry is verbatim. Please point out the inconsistencies you noted. If you are talking about inconsistencies between William's bible entry and the undocumented unsourced stories about who Vincents wifes were. A bible entry is about as legit as we can get. Vincent is my ancestor too https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:Relationship&action=calculate&person1Name=Jones-102730&person2Name=Bradley-4416
posted by Eileen Bradley
edited by Eileen Bradley
Jones-102730 Ashley Jones JD
My changes are logged on July 6, 2021. The differences are clear, and I noted the confusing part at the time in the first comment in this thread. You paraphrased the Bible notation in your research notes, instead of quoting it, and made it sound like Rebecca married William Blanton when she was three. Obviously she did not. They did not marry in 1745. That is not what the transcription says.

And no, that has nothing to do with the entirely separate issue of Vincent's later wives. But that is why I am still asking if anyone has ever seen the actual Bible itself, because a transcription in a group of papers, even if that group of papers is held by a respected university, is still not a primary source. I would like to know if the Bible still exists and if there is anything else in it that would shed more light on this family.

As for the link, it had extra periods in the following ellipsis, entirely unnecessary, which I believe is likely what caused it to not function properly. You can also see that in the change log.

posted by Ashley Jones JD
Jones-102730 Ashley Jones JD
Also, the stories about Vincent's wives are neither undocumented nor unsourced. The Bible you cited is the source for Mary Shelby. Job Hobbs' pension application, linked on his profile, is the source for Ruth Thomas.

Hannah is the only questionable one, and depends on whether or not Mary had a middle name. I have seen no evidence that she did, and it would be unlikely, so I am hypothesizing that he -may- have had a third wife, -if- we could determine what the legal documents are that this profile refers to where his wife is named Hannah.

It's been a year since I was heavily researching the Hobbs and Blanton families, so I'm not sure where it was, but I believe there is a family history website where someone did find and analyze those land records. By that time, this family was giving me too much of a headache though, and I had to take a break. But I am 99% certain those documents do exist. We just don't know whether Mary and Hannah are the same woman or not.

Ideally, I would love to get mtdna analysis for female line descendants. Then we could determine once and for all how many wives Vincent had. Until then, there's no point in anyone acting certain about it. We just don't know.

posted by Ashley Jones JD
Jones-102730 Ashley Jones JD
Hi again. Considering the research notes on the much better sourced potential parents, James and Margaret Veale, should Nathaniel and Maria be detached? There's enough here that they should at least be marked uncertain.
posted by Ashley Jones JD
Jones-102730 Ashley Jones JD
There are two linked daughters named "Hannah Rebecca," born 1745 and married to Blantons. According to this profile, there is no such woman as "Hannah Rebecca Hobbs." There is Rebecca, born 1745 and married to William Blanton, and Hannah, born 1751 and probably married to another Blanton. This needs to be straightened out. The whole Blanton line is confused with this.
posted by Ashley Jones JD
edited by Ashley Jones JD
Jones-102730 Ashley Jones JD
Also, has anyone familiar with how babies are made gone through the list of children and birthdates? There's a lot of impossible in that list.
posted by Ashley Jones JD
Bradley-4416 Eileen Bradley
Hobbs-144 and Hobbs-6682 appear to represent the same person because: Another duplicate. It's very important when creating a new profile that you check the drop down menu carefully to make sure a profile hasn't already been created for that person. Sometimes there may be a slight difference in spelling and or years or other date, but it is the same person. Those details can be worked out as explained in several parts of the help index and Wikitree g2g. It is Wikitree policy that there is only one profile for each person on Wikitree. This prevents having multiple managers for the same profile and saves the time spent proposing, completing and cleaning the endless multiple duplicates.
posted on Hobbs-6682 (merged) by Eileen Bradley
Tucker-5631 Rebecca (Tucker) Morris
Hobbs-6900 and Hobbs-144 appear to represent the same person because: Duplicate
posted by Rebecca (Tucker) Morris
Kutz-113 Robert Kutz
Hobbs-1132 and Hobbs-144 are not ready to be merged because: Differing birth dates. Ruth (Thomas) Hobbs is not likely a spouse of Vincent Hobbs , born 1746, son of the Vincent Thomas born in 1720
posted by Robert Kutz
Kutz-113 Robert Kutz
Hobbs-1132 and Hobbs-144 appear to represent the same person because: Same spouse and son.
posted by Robert Kutz
Vincent-18 Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Hobbs-1132 and Hobbs-144 do not represent the same person because: They are father and son. Their profiles should not be merged.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Lane-8100 Lynda Lou (Lane) Paschal (1942-2021)
Hobbs-1132 and Hobbs-144 appear to represent the same person because: Not that same but same wife. One is wrong.
posted by Lynda Lou (Lane) Paschal (1942-2021)
Bradley-4416 Eileen Bradley
I added DAR Ancestor number and source. I didn't initiate a conversation before adding the source because I felt it wasn't a significant change, I hope this isn't a problem and if so please let me know.
posted by Eileen Bradley
Quackenbush-118 Carrie Quackenbush
This profile looks like the result of a bad merge, 26 children and some were born when the parents were 100.
posted by Carrie Quackenbush
[Living McQueen]
Hobbs-1120 and Hobbs-1119 appear to represent the same person because: same person
posted by [Living McQueen]

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