Henry Hudson Jr
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Henry Hudson Jr (1541 - 1585)

Henry Hudson Jr aka Herdson
Born in Tamworth, Staffordshire, Englandmap
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] in St Andrew Undershaft, London, Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 44 in London, Englandmap
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Biography

Henry II, the son of Henry I and Lady Barbara Watson, was born in Tamworth, England in the year 1541. The exact date is not known but his baptism is recorded on December 30, 1542 in Tamworth, Staffordshire, England. He was a wealthy Londoner, a Liveryman of the Skinners and Tanners (one of the "Great Twelve" Livery Companies from which the Lord Mayor could be chosen), served as alderman in the City of London, and owned property in Stourton, Lincolnshire. After his father died he took over the charter of the Muscovy Company. Henry II traded with Russia, owned several whaling ships and was a contemporary to Sebastian Cabot and Richard Chancellor, who eventually sailed in search of a Northeast Passage to China. He married late in life at the age of 68, on June 11, 1609 to Barbara Alderman. Henry II died in 1635 at the age of 94. He and Barbara had many sons and daughters.[1]

The Hudson name dates back to about 1066 in the county of Yorkshire, England and is traditionally believed to be descendants of the Lords of Hoddleston by European genealogists. The Lords of Hoddleston occupied the castle of Millom in Cumberland, on the coast of the Irish Sea. After the fall of the Roman Empire, there was fierce rivalry between the Norman's and the Saxons over Yorkshire and the land around the Rhine Valley. The battle of Hastings (1066) found the Normans as conquerors although the early ancestors of the Hudson family remained. Hudde was a common nickname for Richard, so it appears that the immediate descendants of Sir Richard Hoddleston were known as the sons of Judde (Hudson) The oldest known Hudson Coat of Arms consists of Three Lions in the Rampant position with three boars heads as supporting badges. The symbolism of the lions signifies rearing with strength, courage and loyalty as character traits. The three lions on a coat of arms is very rare and of unknown significance. The boars heads were badges that suggested allegiance to the royal arms of King Richard III. King Richard III utilized boars heads as his identifying badges to signify bravery and perseverance. Possibly, the three lions rampant is significant in identifying with King Richard III also. The arms of Gentleman Henry Hudson are described as "argent, semee of fleurs de lis gules, a cross engrailed sable. The early Hudson colonists in Virginia utilized a variation of this arms to mark livestock, lending credence to the relationship to Henry. [2]

Note

Many children were born prior to 1609, was Katheryn Elkington a mistress or a prior wife? Were many children adopted? The marriage of Henry Hudson II and Barbara Alderman is noted as 1609 by both Ian Chadwick's works [3] and those documented by Rhonda Chesser Porter from Millom Castle and Tamworth Castle.[4] It is hard to have much faith in Ancestral files and information gleaned via Public Trees.

Disputed Authorities

The foremost reference work on English surnames, A Dictionary of English Surnames by Dr P H Reaney and R M Wilson (Oxford University Press), lists only one variant of Hudson in use in England, which is that of Hutson. Hoddleston is not listed, but Huddleston, with variants Huddlestone, Huddelston, Hudleston, Hudlestone and Hiddleston is listed as a separate surname to Hudson, with its own sources (referenced in the book). The only references to Hudson and Hutson that Reaney and Wilson found in their research, are referenced in the book (eg John Hudsone, Hutson 1323, in Court Rolls of the Manor of Wakefield, Yorks. Arch. Soc. 29, 36, 57, 78, 1901-45). Reaney and Wilson state that Hudd was very common and is a pet form of Hugh.

Regarding the work of Reany and Wilson noted above there are multiple inconsistencies. Is it possible that political powers influenced these powerful academicians due to finances were furnished by the Dutch and not the British? All reference work needs to be scrutinized...

"A Historical Inquiry Concerning Henry Hudson, His Friends, Relatives And Early Life, His Connection With The Muscovy Company And Discovery Of Delaware Bay" By John Meredith Read, Jr. Albany: Joel Munsell MDCCCLXVI brings the accuracy of this foremost reference work into question! The first part of the explicitness is found on pages 19-20.

In summary, citations are found that exemplify spelling was extremely diverse during this time period. Examples noted include: Magna Britannica, Act. of Herdfordshire, London, 1738; Burke's Extinct and Dormant Baronetage, London, 1838; proving Herdson and Hudson were indeed used interchangeably. We must also look at Stow's Survey of London 1633 as it spells the name 3 different ways... Heardson, Herdson and Hudson. There is also documentation disproving Reaney and Wilson in the "Meeting of Henry VIII and Charles V" recorded by Rutland Papers p. 57 that mention Henry Heardson, Hodgeson, Hudson. In his first volume, Hakluyt spelled the name Herdson. In 'Proceedings of the Court of Chancery, reign of Elizabeth', vol. II, p. 24, the named is spelt (sic) in a variety of ways-Hudson, Hodson, Hodsdon... Camden's 'Remains Concerning Britaine', Heardson is said to be from Herdingson or Hodgskinson.

Marriage

Husband: Henry Hudson
Wife: Barbara UNKNOWN
Child: Thomas Hudson
Child: William Hudson
Child: Edward Hudson
Child: Christopher Hudson
Child: Henry Hudson
Child: John Hudson
Marriage:
Date: 1561
Place: Staffordshire, England, GB[5]
Husband: Henry Hudson
Wife: Barbara Listed
Child: Abigail Hudson
Child: Thomas Hudson
Child: John Hudson
Child: William Hudson
Child: Henry Hudson
Marriage:
Date: 1525
Place: St. Editha, Tamworth, Staffordshire, England, GB[6]

Death

1611
Tamworth, Staffordshire, England, GB[7]

Research Notes

Current Profile Sources

As at 10 November 2019, the only sources on the profile are to family trees on the internet. These trees do not include any primary sources.

Current Profile Data

As at 10 November 2019, searches for primary sources (including transcriptions) have been carried out using FamilySearch, Findmypast and Ancestry and various other repositories.

The search focussed on places in close proximity to London or Tamworth, and dates within 20 years of those provided on the profile.

While "Henry Hudson" is a relatively common name, none of the sources checked fit the data on this profile.

The biography states that Henry Hudson's baptism was recorded on 30 December 1542 at Tamworth. This is highly unlikely, since the Tamworth parish register starts in 1557. There are no Henry Hudson's in the Tamworth parish register up to 1650.

The biography also states that Henry married Barbara Alderman on 11 June 1609. No records of this marriage can be found.

His death is given as 1585 in the data and 1635 in the biography. No likely burials have been found using these years of death.

Current Profile Relationships

As at 10 November 2019, searches for primary sources (including transcriptions) have been carried out using FamilySearch, Findmypast and Ancestry and various other repositories.

Parents: The previously attached parents Henry Hudson/Herdson and Barbara Watson did have a son Henry. However, this son was born in about 1547 and died in 1560. Here is a sourced biography for this Henry Herdson (c.1547-1560). This Henry Herdson (c.1547-1560) cannot be the same person as Henry Hudson Jr, the subject of this profile, who is clearly intended to be someone who lived well into adulthood. Therefore Henry Hudson Jr cannot be the son of Henry Hudson the Alderman and Barbara Watson.
Wives and Children: No sources have been found to support these relationships. See also the individual research notes on the profiles of the wives and children.

Sources

  1. http://www.thedomesticcurator.com/2013/12/hudson-genealogy-from-rudolph-to.html
  2. Hudson Family Association of Longview, TX Bulletin No 39 (p 69) and the Hudsons of Chesterfield chart Bulletin no 50
  3. http://www.ianchadwick.com/hudson/hudson_07.htm
  4. http://www.thedomesticcurator.com/2013/12/hudson-genealogy-from-rudolph-to.html
  5. Source: TMPLT FIELD Name: Page Data: Text: Online publication - Ancestry.com. OneWorldTree [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: MyFamily.com, Inc.
  6. Source: TMPLT FIELD Name: Page Data: Text: Online publication - Ancestry.com. OneWorldTree [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: MyFamily.com, Inc.
  7. Source: TMPLT FIELD Name: Page Data: Text: Online publication - Ancestry.com. OneWorldTree [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: MyFamily.com, Inc.
  • Ancestry.com, One World Tree (sm) (Provo, UT, USA: Title: Ancestry.com, One World Tree (sm) (Provo, UT, USA: MyFamily.com, Inc., n.d.)
  • The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Ancestral File (R) (Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998, data as of 5 January 1998) Family History Library Address: Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA




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Do we know why he is called Henry Hudson junior if we don't know the parents?
posted by David Mortimer
Perhaps Henry Hudson (III) was mentioned as "Henry Hudson junior" at some point, could this have led to the presumption that his father was called Henry?
posted by David Mortimer
Following extensive searches and discussions in G2G, there do not seem to be any appropriate sources to support the data and relationships shown on this profile. Please see the research notes on this profile and the 2 wives and 5 children currently connected. In the next few days, I plan to arrange for Henry Hudson Jr to be detached from his parents, wives and children, with appropriate research notes on all profiles.

I also plan to add the "Uncertain Existence" template to Henry's profile.

If appropriate sources are found in the future, the disconnected profiles can easily be re-attached and the template removed.

If anyone can provide reliable sources for Henry and his family, this would be very welcome.

Thanks

posted by Nic Donnelly
Not sure what you are reading from my cousin's (Rhonda) blog. "Henry II, the son of Henry I and Lady Barbara Watson." In the next paragraph, "He married late in life at the age of 68, on June 11, 1609 to Barbara Alderman. Henry II died in 1635 at the age of 94."
posted by David Wilson
The first section of the biography is copied from an unsourced blog (see reference 1) This confuses at least two Henry Hudsons. This profile of "Henry II" supposedly married a Barbara Alderman, as did "Henry I" according to this blog.

Edit 22.43h 20 Oct 2019: My mistake - Rereading the blog, there is only one Henry marrying Barbara Alderman. The date of their marriage is given as 1609 but also their son William's biography saying he was born to this couple in 1571 caused this confusion.

posted by Jo Fitz-Henry
No marriage for Henry Hudson and Barbara Alderman at any time in 1609 at St Andrew Undershaft. No marriage at that church on 11 June 1609.
posted by Jo Fitz-Henry
Dear PMs

This profile is one of the England Project's 5-Star Profiles.

On behalf of the EP, Nic Donnelly (Donnelly-2171) will be sourcing and verifying the facts and family relationships and rewriting the biography. If you have any new material to contribute, please start a conversation in G2G.

More about 5 Star profiles: https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/905133/will-you-help-us-improve-the-most-visited-profiles

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posted by Jo Fitz-Henry
'Sounds good to me, Gillian! I'm not as confident on this line as on most of mine. I would be happy to have you overlook it.
posted by Richard Draper
Hi profile managers, the England Project would like to take on management of this profile as it is project protected. See Project Managed Profiles Help for more information. I'll send you a trusted list request to add me to the trusted list for the profile. Please contact me if you would like to discuss. Regards, Gillian, Leader, England Project.
posted by Gillian Thomas
My 12th great grandfather
posted by Don Giddens
Hudson-8395 and Hudson-1456 do not represent the same person because: birth dates do not match

birth places do not match death dates do not match death places do not match suffixes do not match prefixes do not match

posted by Gary Nicholson
Hudson-8395 and Hudson-1456 appear to represent the same person because: These are of the same person. Please merge them.
posted by Robert Green