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Joseph Hull (1596 - 1665)

Reverend Joseph Hull
Born in Crewkerne, Somerset, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married before 1620 [location unknown]
Husband of — married before 1635 [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died at age 69 in Hog Island (Appledore), Isle of Shoals, Mainemap
Profile last modified | Created 22 Feb 2010
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The Puritan Great Migration.
Joseph Hull migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). (See The Great Migration (Series 2), by R. C. Anderson, vol. 3, p. 452)
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Disputed association:

There is evidence that it is highly unlikely for Joanna Coffin to have been Joseph Hull's first wife.' Please do not attach her. Joanne Coffin seems to have been confused with Joanna Coffin, but was not Joseph's wife. See here for a discussion: https://www.hullfamilyassociation.org/genealogist_errors_joseph.shtml

Contents

Biography

Joseph, son of Thomas Hull was baptized 25 April 1596 in Crewkerne, Somerset, England. [1] [2] [3]

On 14 Nov 1614, he received his Bachelor of Arts degree at St Mary's Hall, Oxford. In the next five years, he studied theology while serving as a teacher and curate under his brother William, who was vicar of Colyton in Devonshire.

Joseph Hull married first, by about 1620, to ______ ______ and second, by 1635 to Agnes _____[4]

"The records of Northleigh, Devonshire, under date of 14th Apr 1621, contain the presentation of Rev Joseph HULL to the Rectorship by ?Thomas HULL, of Crewkerne.? [5]

Joseph resigned his rectorship at Northleigh in 1632. He was licensed as curate 16 Apr 1633 and again in 1634 at the parish of Broadway in the Crewkerne Deanery [6]

In 1635, with his second wife, Agnes, seven children and three servants, Joseph removed to New England. About 20 Mar 1635/6 An undesignated vessel departed Weymouth, England, for New England, likely the same ship as the 1635 Mary Gould. [7] [8] Joseph settled at Weymouth and ministered there, and at Hingham, Barnstable, York, Maine, Oyster River, and Isle of Shoals, where he d. in 1665. The early colonial records contain many references to him."

"At the end of forty-six days on the ocean and an uneventful passage, they sailed into Massachusetts Bay on the sixth of May, 1635, leaving the settlement of Hull on the left, and came to an anchorage before Governor's Winthrop's" little village "of Boston, where they remained until July 2d, waiting permission of the General Court to locate. After reconnoitreing for some time they decided Wessaguscus was their best location. They immediately passed in among the numerous islands in the bay and entered Fore River, and came to anchor about four miles from the mouth of the same." [9]

Wessaguscus was the location of the the second oldest permanent settlement in New England (the failed Wessagusset Colony) and the oldest in what would become Massachusetts Bay Colony. In 1630 it was officially incorporated into the Massachusetts Bay Colony; and in 1635, with the addition of 100 families under the leadership of Joseph Hull, the name was changed to Weymouth. [10] [11]

Rev Joseph Hull was the first minister at Weymouth, Mass. He founded Barnstable, Mass, 1639. He was excommunicated at Barnstable merely for going to Yarmouth without leave, but afterward readmitted, minister at Isles of Shoals. [12] He moved to Yarmouth in 1641, York by 1643 and then Oyster River and the Isles of Shoals. He returned to England by 1648 but was back here after 1662.

In 1636 two lots of land were “granted unto Mr Joseph Hull by the town of Hingham… for a houselot five acres of land… and… for a great lot and for a planting lot lying together five and forty acres”. [13]

He was a representative to the Massachusetts General Court from Hingham in 1638 and 1639 and to the Plymouth General Court for Barnstable in 1639. He was on the committee on wages and prices in 1638, committee to set a colony tax rate in 1638 and was a commissioner to end small causes at Hingham in 1638. [14]

On 05 May 1639 “Mr. Hull gave his farewell sarmon” at Hingham and “Dayes of Thanksgiveing since we came to Barnestable- 11 Dec 1639, att Mr Hulls house, for Gods exceeding mercye in bringing us hither Safely keeping us healthy & well in or weake beginnings & in our church estate. The day being very cold or praises to God in publique being ended, wee devided into 3 companies to feast togeather, some att Mr Hulls, some att Mr Maos, some att Brother Lumberds senior”. [15] [16]

On 04 Jun 1639 (14 Jun NS), the colony court granted permission to Messrs Hull, Dimock and others "to erect a plantation or town at or about a place called by the Indians Mattacheese (Barnstable)," [17] and he was appointed one of the first two deputies for the town of Barnstable. [18]

11 Dec 1639 “att Mr Hulls house, for Gods exceeding mercye in bringing us hither Safely keeping us healthy & well in or weake beginnings & in our church estate. The day being very cold or praises to God in publique being ended, wee devided into 3 companies to feast togeather, some att Mr Hulls, some att Mr Maos, some att Brother Lumberds senior”. [19]

Mr. Hull excommunicated for his willfull breakeing of communion wt us, & joyneing himselfe a member wt a companie at Yarmouth to be their Pastour: contrary to ye advise and Counsell of or Church, 01 May 1641. [20]

Our Syster Hull renewed her Covenaunt with us, renounceing her joyneing wth the [church] at Yarmouth confessing her evill in soe doeing wt Sorrow…11 Marc 1642. [21]

On 07 Sep 1642 in “the controversy betwixt Samuell Hinckley and Mr Joseph Hull, about the lands the said Hinckley bought of the said Hull in Barnestable, it is ordered, by the consent of both parties of the said Hull in Barnestable, it is ordered, by the consent of both parties and by the town of Barnestable, being referred to the bench, that the said Mr Hull, according to his own proffer, shall abate forty shillings of that the said Samuell Hinckley should have paid him for the said land, and that the town of Barnestable shall return the one half of the lands they took away from the said Samuell Hunckley to him again, and so a final end to be of all suits & controversies about the same”.[22]

On 07 Mar 1642/3 it “is ordered, that a warrant shall be directed to the constable of Yarmouth, to apprehend Mr Joseph Hull (if he do either exercise the ministry amongst them or administer the seals), to bring him before the next magistrate, to find sufficient sureties for his appearance the next General Court, to answer his doings (being an excommunicant)”. [23]

On 10 May 1643 Gov. Winthrop noted in his discussion concerning the formation of the New England Confederation that: “those of Sir Ferdinando Gorge his province, beyond Pascataquack, were not received nor called into the confederation, because they ran a different course from us both in their ministry and civil administration; for they had lately made Acomenticus (a poor village) a corporation, and had made a tailor their mayor, and had entertained one Hull, an excommunicated person and very contentious, for their minister”. [24]

Mr Hull in the acknowledgeing of his sinn, & renueing his covenaunt was received againe into fellowship with us, 10 Aug 1643. [25]

Richard Cornish had died under suspicious circumstances and in Nov 1644 at Agamenticus “something was discovered against the son of Mr. Hull, their minister” and the case was re-opened. [26]

When Roger Garde died at Agamenticus early in 1645: “Mr Hull offered to preach yet his funeral sermon and did and the people all solemnly interred him there with arms.” [27]

On 6 July 1646 Edward Godfrey sued “Joseph Hull, minister… for a parcel of marsh”. Edward won the suit. [28]

Joseph was the minister at Launceston, Cornwall from 1648 to 1652 and the rector at St Buryan, Cornwall in 1662, when he was ejected from that living. [29]

On 28 Dec 1669 John Bickford, age 60, and John Symonds, age 52, deposed that “about four and twenty years agoe or there about naomy hulls father and mother they went for England: and left theyer Children to the wid wilderness: and Left them very young and wear not tutred (tutored) as they ought to have been.” [30]

Joseph ended his ministry at the Isles of Shoals as in the inventory of his estate on 05 Dec 1665 is: “the Islands indebted to my husband for his ministry”, £20. Agnes was granted letters of administration on Joseph’s estate on 12 Jun 1666. The inventory amounted to £62.5s.5d. [31]

Family

Joseph Hull was the father of sixteen (16), possibly seventeen (17), children.

Joseph and _____ (_____) Hull were the parents of seven (7) children, [32]

  1. Joanna Hull, born about 1620
  2. Joseph Hull, born about 1622
  3. Tristram Hull, born about 1624
  4. Temperance Hull, baptized Northleigh, Devonshire, England, 20 March 1625/6
  5. Elizabeth Hull, born about 1628
  6. Griselda Hull, born about 1630
  7. Dorothy Hull, born about 1632

Joseph and Agnes (_____) Hull were the parents of nine (9), possibly ten (10), children, [33]

  1. Hopewell Hull, born say 1636
  2. Benjamin Hull, baptized Hingham, Massachusetts, 24 Mar 1639
  3. Naomi Hull, baptized Barnstable, 23 Mar 1639/40
  4. Ruth Hull, baptized Barnstable, 09 May 1641
  5. Dodovah Hull, born say 1643. There is some controversy about whether he is son of this Joseph or Joseph Jr. He is currently attached to Joseph Jr.
  6. Samuel Hull, born say 1645
  7. (possibly) Phineas Hull, born about 1647
  8. Reuben Hull, baptized Launceston, Cornwall, 23 Jan 1648/9
  9. Ephraim Hull, baptized Launceston, Cornwall, 13 Feb 1649/50
  10. Priscilla Hull, baptized Launceston, Cornwall, 30 Mar 1651

Research Notes

Family/Children. Robert Charles Anderson [34], Joseph had seventeen children by his two wives, including a possible Phineas.

Sources

  1. Anglican Parish Registers. Somerset Archives & Local Studies, South West Heritage Trust, Taunton, England. Somerset Heritage Service; Taunton, Somerset, England; Somerset Parish Records, 1538-1914; Reference Number: D\P\crew/2/1/1 Accessed at Ancestry.com. Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1531-1812 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016.
  2. Citing "Evans Festschrift 50," Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration, Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Vol III, G-H (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2003), 452-460 (Joseph Hull), at 455; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  3. Coddington, John Insley. "The Pyssing Ancestry of the Hulls of New England" in Studies in Genealogy and Family History in Tribute to Charles Evans, Linsay Brook editor." (Salt Lake City, 1989): pp 44-51.
  4. Without further reference, Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration, Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Vol III, G-H (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2003), 452-460 (Joseph Hull), at 455; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  5. The Records of Northleigh, Devonshire: Vol 3.
  6. Robert Charles Anderson, "Notes on the Reverend Joseph Hull of Weymouth and Barnstable, Massachusetts, and York, Maine," The American Genealogist, 68 (1993): 149; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors, citing the 1633 and 1634 Consignation Book for the Archdeaconry of Taunton (Somerset Rec. Office, Taunton)
  7. Packrat-Pro : Work, research and compilation done by Anne Stevens of packrat-pro.com Hull Family
  8. Portsmouth Athenaeum Hull, Joseph (Rev.), 1596-1665
  9. Kingman, Bradford. Descendants of Henry Kingman: Some Early Generations of the Kingman Family (Boston: David Clapp & Son, 1912).p. 1
  10. James Kendall Hosmer “John Winthrop’s Journal • History of New England” : Charles Scribner’s Sons, New York 1908 Vol I p 154 [1]
  11. Weymouth, Massachusetts on Wikipedia.
  12. Pope, Charles Henry. The Pioneers of Maine and New Hampshire, 1623 to 1660 (Boston, Mass., 1908) p 104
  13. Hingham Book of Possessions- 97v
  14. Records of the Governor and Company of the Massachusetts Bay in New England 1628–1686- Nathaniel Shurtleff, Ed., Boston, 1853- Vol I pp. 223, 235, 239, 242, 250; Plymouth Colony Records- Vol I pp 126, 137
  15. The Hobart Journal - Edward Egan - NEHGR- Vol 121, p 11 (Jan 1967); Scituate and Barnstable Church Records- NEHGR- Vol X p 39 (Jan 1856)
  16. Deyo, Simeon L “History of Barnstable County, Massachusetts” : Blake, New York 1890 p 368 https://archive.org/details/historyofbarnsta00deyo/page/n455/mode/1up?view=theater
  17. Deyo, Simeon Lyon. History of Barnstable County, Massachusetts (H.W. Blake, New York, 1890) p 368
  18. Shurtleff, Nathaniel Bradstreet & Pulsifer, David. Records of the colony of New Plymouth, in New England (AMS Press, New York, 1855) Vol 1 p 126
  19. The Hobart Journal- Edward Egan- NEHGR- Vol 121, p 11 (Jan 1967); Scituate and Barnstable Church Records- NEHGR- Vol X, p 39 (Jan 1856)
  20. Scituate and Barnstable Church Records- NEHGR- Vol X pp 39, 41 (Jan 1856)
  21. Scituate and Barnstable Church Records- NEHGR- Vol X pp 39, 41 (Jan 1856)
  22. Plymouth Colony Records- Vol II p 44; VII, 30-1
  23. Plymouth Colony Records- Vol II, p 53
  24. Hosmer, James Kendall “John Winthrop’s Journal • History of New England” : Charles Scribner’s Sons, New York 1908 Vol II p 99 [2]
  25. Scituate and Barnstable Church Records- NEHGR- Vol X pp 39, 41 (Jan 1856)
  26. Hosmer, James Kendall “John Winthrop’s Journal • History of New England” : Charles Scribner’s Sons, New York 1908 Vol II p 219 [3]
  27. The Great Migration- Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635- Article on Rev. Joseph Hull- Vol. III- database at NEHGS
  28. Province and Court Records of Maine- MHS, Portland, 1928 - Vol I p 93
  29. The Nonconformist’s Memorial- Edmund Calamy - London 1802 Vol I p 349
  30. NH Court Files- Vol I p 325- quoted by History of the Town of Durham- Everett Stackpole, Winthrop Meserve- Vol II p 222
  31. Province and Court Records of Maine- MHS, Portland, 1928- Vol I pp 261 269-70
  32. Citing "Hotten 283," and "TAG 68:149," among others, Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration, Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Vol III, G-H (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2003), 452-460 (Joseph Hull), at 455; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  33. Citing "NEHGR 121:11," NEHGR 9:282," "YLR 11:14," "Monnette 227," "MPCR 2:492," "M&JCH 17:96" and "Ancestral Lines 318-22," among others, Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration, Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Vol III, G-H (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2003), pp 452-460 (Joseph Hull), at 456-457; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  34. Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration, Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Vol III, G-H (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2003), 452-460 (Joseph Hull), at 455 (children with first wife) and 456-457 (children with second wife); digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
See also:
  • Anderson, Robert C The Great Migration: Immigrants to New England 1634-1635 Vol III: G-H (New England Historic Genealogical Society, Great Migration Study Project, Boston, 2003), pp 452-460; digital images, AmericanAncestors.org (accessed 2021).
  • Leslie Ann Ballou, "My Children's Ancestors" for Joseph Hull, ID I1515; online family file, WorldConnect (click here : accessed 2014).
  • "The Hull Line," entry in "Third Generation" for Joseph Hull, Rev.; online family file, Rootsdigger-Parisho Family (click here : accessed 2014).
  • Coddington, John Insley. "The Pyssing Ancestry of the Hulls of New England" in Studies in Genealogy and Family History in Tribute to Charles Evans, Linsay Brook editor." (Salt Lake City, 1989): pp 44-51.
  • Dolor Davis: A Sketch of His Life by Horace Davis, p 32
  • Statement from Phyllis J. Hughes, HFA Genealogist regarding the Myth of Joanna Coffin as the first wife of Reverend Joseph Hull, 1635 Immigrant
  • "The Rev Hull Company"; online biographical material, Immigrant Ship Transcribers Guild (accessed 2014). The apparent date of 20 Mar 1633/4 shown here might not be right - Anderson gives 1635, and uses that date with these ages to estimate birth dates. Temperance "age 9" was baptized 1625/6.
  • Colonial Families of the United States of America, Via Ancestry.com
  • Hull, Amy Eleanore E: Rev Joseph Hull and Some of his Descendants : Stonebraker Brothers Company, Baltimore 1904 archive.org
  • Anderson, Robert Charles. The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England, 1620-33, Vol: 1-3 (New England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston, 1995)
  • Great Migration Newsletter
  • Weygant, Charles H • “Hull Family in America” : Hull Family Association; Pittsfield, Maine 1913 p 251 • archive.org
"Rev. Joseph Hull came from England, and settled in Weymouth, MA, in 1635. He resigned in 1639, and afterwards preached at the Isles of Shoals. He is mentioned as "of the Isle of Sholes," by Dr Cotton Mather, in his list of the first class of New England mninisters. [Magnalia, Col I, B 3.]"




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It has been over a year since viewing this profile. It appears that Hulll was initially an Anglican priest but later on it seemed his leanings may have been more towards the Congregational Church leanings. Does anyone have additional information? I descend from both of Hull’s wives; Tristram from the first and Naomi Hull Daniels; his 2nd wife. Of all my Colonial ancestors; I find this one the most interesting and keep trying to update my bibliographical information.
posted by Susan McClure
Congregationalist (i.e.) Puritan movement was a reform movement within the Anglican Church, so basically at this time Puritans ministers would have started out in the Anglican Church. Hull seems to have followed his own path, coming to New England, but not fully embracing Puritan ideas. As Jeanie Thornton wrote: "He was not a true Puritan and the Ministers of the Massachusetts Bay Colony intensely disagreed with his view. The Reverend was too Puritan for the Anglicans and too Anglican for the Puritans. Governor Winthrop described him as a "very contentious man" and he was excommunicated by the Bay Colony."

See: https://www.jeaniesgenealogy.com/2013/02/reverend-joseph-hull-of-somerset.html

posted by M Cole
Hi Ann, when I went to that link it said 0 records were retrieved. Can you supply a better link?
Oh blast, you have to browse persons then he is there.

Had the horrible feeling it didn’t show the record.

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
Ok, but no time now.

Could you go ahead and include the citation under “see also?”

Will do, I’ll see if I can find another way to link it that takes you to the record.

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
I'm guessing that you want the link in Jill Piggott's January 2021 comment: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hull-132#comment_5265118
posted by M. Hebert
Ah thanks it’s all there, hadn’t seen that comment

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
Using Anderson's article as a guide, may we update the child list? This would include splitting the list into the children born to the first wife, then second wife.

If there are not reliable sources that support other data, may we update the sequence of the children's birth order (and birth dates/years) to follow Anderson? This would include updating the estimated date of Griselda Hull's birth.

Thank you in advance for any assistance you are able to provide.--Gene

Edited to add: For the older children, Anderson generally cites Hotten.

posted by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
My opinion is, Go for it GeneJ.!
Joseph married Agnes Hunt on 13 March 1633 in Wells, Somerset, England.<ref>

Marriage: "Somerset Marriage Index"

FindMyPast Transcription (accessed 10 August 2022)

Joseph Hull marriage to Agnes Hunt on 13 Mar 1633 in Wells, Somerset, England. </ref>

posted by Ann Browning
Looking at Agnes' profile it seems that "Hunt" has been suggested for a while, have you seen any matching baptisms of children? The Coddington source cited here seems to be paper-only so finding that in a library could be helpful. I can't seem to find a copy anywhere.
posted by Brad Stauf
Well I would go on a Will hunt again to be honest. It helps sort them out. Think Agnes Hunt is correct. They would marry in the bride’s parish, a fact some seem to forget and Wells is not dreadfully fat away. I have or rather had as the letter has gone to the archives, a letter from 1836 where the person concerned was finishing his day at work in a bank in Guildford and then driving down with a horse to Brighton to go fetch his wife. Around a 40 mile drive perhaps less
posted by Ann Browning
I do wish this could be resolved in some way. These two are my... 🤔... 11th or 12th (?) Great-grandparents, & it might be a link to finding out more about his 2nd wife. I tried to find the link you posted a year ago, but all it does (I'm not paying to subscribe) is say that such a record does exist. Frustrating. However, I wonder if WikiTree, esp. The Puritan Great Migration Project, would accept process of elimination as proof enough? Thanks for the deep-dive.
posted by Day (Bredleau) Thomas
Looking at the register entry they appear to have married by licence. If that record could be found then that may well prove it.

I’ll have a look as the licence may be in the Act Books

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
The licence might be in this set of images which unfortunately are locked and require going to an affiliate library or FHC

https://www.familysearch.org/search/film/008092306?cat=1057793

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
There are a few Hull wills from Crewkerne, has anyone looked at them at all.

This may be a brother of Joseph

Detail Source Name: Hull, Thomas Dates: 1636 Place: Crewkerne, Somerset, England Book: Burialls (Burial) Collection: Somerset: - Calendar of Wills, 1537-1799, and Administration in the Court of the Archdeacon of Taunton Volume: Calendar of Wills in Bundles. 1597--1799. Chapter: Part 1. Wills in Registers 1537-1593. Text: Hull, Thomas, Crewkerne 75 1635

posted by Ann Browning
I believe there is some conflation with the children, there is a Joan baptised in 1620 daughter of John. The family were using the same names for their children and the register really needs checking as some are children of the elder Joseph in all probability. Unfortunately the transcriptions on most sites don’t state whether the register says junior or younger you actually need to look at the register entry

Edited to add, the register is fairly easy to read

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
edited by Ann Browning
From ancestry

Josephe, child of Thomas Hull, was baptised on 30 March 1593 in Crewkerne, Somerset, England.<ref> Baptism: "Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1531-1812"

Somerset Heritage Service; Taunton, Somerset, England; Somerset Parish Records, 1538-1914; Reference Number: D\P\crew/2/1/1

Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 60856 #2095656 (accessed 27 July 2022)

Josephe Hull baptism on 30 Mar 1593, child of Thomas Hull, in Crewkerne, Somerset, England. </ref>

posted by Ann Browning
I believe from the Oxford University record that this is more likely to be his baptism

First name(s) Joseph Last name Hull Junior Birth year - Baptism year 1594 Baptism date 30 Mar 1594 Denomination Anglican Place Crewkerne County Somerset Country England Father's first name(s) Thomas Father's last name Hull Junior Mother's first name(s) - Event type Baptisms, marriages & burials Archive Somerset Archives Document type Parish records Page 114 Archive reference D/P/CREW 2/1/1 Year range 1558-1650 Record set Somerset Baptism Index Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, Great Britain

Ann

posted by Ann Browning
From Alumni Oxonienses

Hull, Joseph pleb. St. Mary Hall, matric. 22 May, 1612, aged 17; B.A. 14 Nov., 1614; rector of Northleigh, Devon, 1621, one of these names ejected in 1662 from the rectory of St. Buryan, Cornwall. See Calamy, i. 349; & Foster's Index Eccl.

posted by Ann Browning
edited by Ann Browning
I revisited this site and I somehow missed reading the many well researched comments; I was too busy dealing with two of his children's (Tristram and Naomi) descendants. Thank you, all of the wonderful people that have been doing such excellent research; especially the many posts in February 2021. I have been asked which genealogy site do I use the most; it is Wiki Tree secondary to the accurate sources and discussions. I have subscriptions to Ancestry, My Heritage and 4 others and use Family Search and other sources, but Wiki Tree outshines them all.
posted by Susan Fisher
On behalf of all of WikiTree (we took a vote and everyone said I could speak for them ;)) thanks Susan!

It's a lot of work to try and do high-quality research and writing and to do it all manually while collaborating with lots of other folks but it's worthwhile. Glad you are enjoying your experience and best of luck with your genealogy research!

posted by Brad Stauf
Shouldn't Hull be in one or more "religions occupation" categories? Maybe https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Congregational_Ministers?
posted by M. Hebert
Interesting question! Quickly reading the bio, it appears that he changed faiths and was in trouble with church authorities. Maybe he deserves two affiliations! If you have time to follow and read some of the sources, perhaps you can post analysis here, then if there is concurrence it can be moved into the bio and the category(ies) added. Thank you for your interest in this PGM profile.
posted by Raymond Watts PhD
Yes, he seems to have gotten into serious trouble in multiple settings... He appears to have been ordained in the Church of England, and he's mentioned practically in passing in Emerson Davis's Biographical sketches of the Congregational pastors of New England ( https://archive.org/details/biographicalsket05davi/page/n725/mode/2up?q=Hull ). The NEHGS source refers to him as a congregational minister as well.

I don't see any reason to categorize him elsewhere but I suspect that someone who watches this profile can comment with some authority on this topic.

posted by M. Hebert
edited by M. Hebert
Hi M. I added him as a Puritan Minister. I believe that the term Congregational came later and evolved from the Puritans. But the sources I looked at didn't seem to be consistent. I looked at a few contemporaneous sources, and the only references seemed to be as a Puritan minister.
posted by M Cole
Interesting... Ok, I'm just glad he's in a category that reflects that he was a minister. Thanks!
posted by M. Hebert
I have been trying to get correct information on Joseph Hull for a few years. Joined the Hull Family Association a couple of years ago. I want to be sure my tree is factual and the historical information I pass down to my adult children and young grandchildren is correct. I discovered that I descended from both wives of Joseph Hull when I was researching my 4th great grandparents: James Babcock via Tristram Hull and Esther Daniels Babcock via Naomi Hull. I live in San Diego, CA but visiting my sister in North Carolina and preparing to drive up to New England for a few weeks with the goal of visiting the towns my Colonial ancestors lived in (probably will not make it out to the Shoals where Joseph died.). Thank you for interesting discussion on Hull's firs wife.
posted by Susan Fisher
Hi Ken,

What a great find. Thx for sharing. I just discovered that Rev. Joseph Hull, deputy to the MA General Court, was a member of the Ancient and Honorable Artillery Company (AHAC) of MA. Thus his descendants are eligible to join the lineage society AHAC. Linda Alcott Maples

posted by Linda (Alcott) Maples
Has anyone explored the possibility that his second wife Agnes (b. 1610) was the Agnes Hund baptized at Bridgwater, Somerset, on 18 February 1609/10. She is the right age to have been 25 when they went to New England. Bridgwater looks like it is about 12 miles from Wells, Somerset, where Josephus Hull and Agnes Hunt were married in March 1633/34. Here is a weblink (at Ancestry) to Agnes Hund's baptism: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/60856/images/engl78030_d-p-bw-m-2-1-1_m_00022?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=a29576133541b8eea9d40070d8b16f92&usePUB=true&_phsrc=DBj3873&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.257057997.778373598.1612820817-69617887.1575390212&pId=1847066
posted by Kenneth Kinman
Agnes's surname is on the original manuscript record of her 1633 wedding, and it looks like "Hunt," but that's a surname Phyllis Hughes ruled out. "Hund" is certainly consistent with the manuscript. I added an image of the original to Agnes's Family Search page, which has free access, and included a second image where I fiddled with contrast & brightness to make it easier to read. (If someone can add it to Wikitree, please do.) Good detective work, Kenneth. I'm sure I'm not the only cousin keeping her fingers crossed you've found Agnes's family! [1]
posted by Jill Piggott
edited by Jill Piggott
Studying the baptism record this morning, and I think it is more likely Hunt (rather than Hund). And her father John Hunt is probably the John Hunt who was married in 1606 (at Bridgwater, Somerset) to Honory Maunfield. Here's a weblink to that 1606 marriage record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N21P-3MX
posted by Kenneth Kinman
CORRECTION: Hull resigned as Northleigh's rector in 1633, not 1632, according to the Church of England Database. Rector John Forde replaced him on the date of his 1633 resignation.

This means Hull's unnamed first wife died in Northleigh, not Crewkerne as often given. He resigned from Northleigh when he married Agnes and moved the family to Crewkerne, his hometown. His first wife died in or shortly after childbirth, and he had 6 other young children to care for. The logic of these dates and places makes practical sense.

CCEd Record ID: 86746 - Linked to person: Hull, Joseph 1619-1633

Qualification: BA. Ordination Date 23 May 1619, Silverton Parish Church. Clerical Status: deacon. Letters Dimissory: No.

Appointed Rector, Northleigh: 28/3/1622. Source: Devon RO, Chanter 218 (Visitation Book). Ordinary/Jurisdiction: Cary, Valentine/Exeter 1621-26.

Resigned as Rector, Northleigh: 14/3/1633. Source: Devon RO, Chanter 22 (Register). Ordinary/Jurisdiction: Hall, Joseph/Exeter 1627-1641.

Appointment: 17/4/_ : Curate, Broadway. Source: SRO, D/D/Vc 58 (Subscription Book). Ordinary/Jurisdiction: Piers, William/Bath & Wells 1632-1670

Hull, Joseph. ID 57456. Clergy of the Church of England Database. https://theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/persons/CreatePersonFrames.jsp?PersonID=57456

posted by Jill Piggott
edited by Jill Piggott
Any chance someone's found an online copy of the parish register at St. Mary Magdalene, Launceston, for the years Hull was its minister (1648-56)?[1] "Great Migration," citing "Ancestral Lines," conflicts with 2 scholars working directly with the original source. See a longer comment on Priscilla Hull's page.
posted by Jill Piggott
Jill, thank you for pointing out the resignation date from Northleigh as 14/3/1633. I've used the Church of England clergy db before and not caught that. Whatever source Great Migrations likely originated from the date written 14 Mar 1632/3.
posted by John Hull
Hull's first wife is conclusively not "Joanna Coffin," who was 2 or 3 when Hull first married. Here's an excerpt from an article by the genealogist employed by the Hull Family Association, Phyllis J. Hughes:

"Several years ago, when I began compiling a book on the Rev. Joseph Hull and a line of his descendants, I decided to try to verify more about the life of Joanna Coffin and to especially obtain some dates. I also decided to try to trace back to the original source of this information. I was successful in this regard. Joanna Coffin, given as the first wife of the Rev. Joseph Hull, was a theory originally promulgated and published by another early-day (turn-of-the-century) Hull researcher, Orra Eugene Monnette, in some of his publications. He also contributed much information to the Rev. Joseph Hull branch of The Hull Family in America. He had some scanty circumstantial evidence for believing that Joanna Coffin was the first wife:

1. Rev. Joseph's first daughter was named Joanna. However Rev. Joseph's mother was also named Joane. 2. Rev. Joseph's third child was named Tristram and Joanna Coffin had a brother named Tristram; both were children of Peter Coffin and Johan/Joanna Thember. 3. The Coffins lived in Brixton, Devonshire, and Rev. Joseph Hull had ministries in Devon in Northleigh and Silferton/Silverton and earlier was at Colytn. 4. Tristram Coffin emigrated to the colonies and lived in Dover, Strafford, New Hampshire, where the Rev. Joseph Hull also lived for a short period of time.

One of the first steps in solving this problem was to investigate the English parish records. In my research in these original English church records, I found the baptismal record for Joanna Coffin. Joanna Coffin was baptized 29 Dec 1616 in Brixton, Devon, England, the daughter of Peter Coffin. Immediately, I saw that the date of her baptism would not support the conclusion that she had married the Rev. Joseph Hull for she was much too young.

Rev. Joseph's first child, Joanna, was born in the winter of 1619/1620. Rev. Joseph and his first wife would have married ca. 1618-9. Since the normal practice was to baptize progeny as infants, Joanna was probably only about three years old, at the most, when the Rev. Joseph Hull married for the first time. Thus Joanna Coffin, the daughter of Peter Coffin of the parish of Brixton, Devonshire, England, was far too young to have been the first wife of the Rev. Joseph Hull and have had children as early as she did. I also found that Joanna was a minor when Peter Coffin wrote his Will in 1627. Mr. Monnette has for several years been debunked by serious genealogists for the many incorrect judgments which he has made.

...No mention of either wife has ever been found. We do know that his second wife was named Agnes, as evidenced by (1) the 1635 shipping list (2) a 1645 York, Maine deed and (3) the 1665 Probate papers of the Rev. Joseph Hull which are also found in York, York County, Maine."

Hughes, Phyllis J. "The Myth of Joanna Coffin, Given as First Wife of the Rev. Joseph Hull, 1635 Immigrant." Hull Family Association Journal, vol 12, no. 1 (spring 2001): p 23. www.hullfamilyassociation.org/back_issues_recent.shtml

See also Phyllis J. Hughes, “Common Errors In the Joseph Hull Line,." www.hullfamilyassociation.org/genealogist_errors_joseph.shtml

posted by Jill Piggott
edited by Jill Piggott
Thank you for your interest in this profile, Jill Piggot.

Will a PGM googlegroups Crew member please review the comment and respond? Thank you.

Thanks, Cheryl. I'm working on an extensive revision of Hull's Wikipedia page. I've been reading so much about the family, I feel like I've moved in. I've been loading everything I find into Hull's Family Search page and would be glad to hear from anyone else who's done a deep dive into the family.
posted by Jill Piggott
Great, the Hull family (my ancestors) do need lots of research and the PGM project is appreciative of your work on wikipedia. Keep on adding your research here please.

I note you're very new to WikiTree, so you're probably not prepared to update the profile, so please keep adding your research here and at some point a member of the PGM google Crew will come by and review your research. Note: PGM is a stickler for reliable sources. See here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Puritan_Great_Migration_Project_Reliable_Sources

Cheryl, PGM Leader

That reliable sources page is going to save me a lot of typing! Teaching's an impossible habit to break. (I'm a retired English & philosophy prof.) Every time I remove unsourced info from a Family Search entry, I send the user a message, partly to be polite, but mostly because I hope that if I explain the difference between primary sources and the junk that people pay to put on Ancestry, they won't keep corrupting entries. From now on, I'll also include the PGM link. I had to scrape my brain off the ceiling a couple of hours ago when I saw a user changed an estimated birth year that I'd based on multiple primary sources & added this as his explanation: "I am changing her birth year to 'about 1749' so that she is having children at the proper ages and is slightly younger than her husband." No joke. Direct quotation.
posted by Jill Piggott
edited by Jill Piggott
Josephus Hull married by license 13 March 1633 to Agnis Hunt at Wells St Cuthbert, Somerset.

By subscription at: https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/60856/engl78030_d-p-w-st-c-2-1-1_m_00094?pid=975822

posted by Beryl Meehan
To address Jillaine Smith's comments/question of Jan 2019 below: Hull-640 represents the son of this Rev. Joseph Hull. Vitals for Hull-640 have been corrected, and the profiles now appear to be rectified.
posted by Bryan McCullagh
Hull-640 and Hull-132 do not represent the same person because: Hull-640 (with incorrect birth date) appears to be the son of Hull-132. Hull-132's unknown wife is the mother of Hull-640. Bio says Hull-640 was b. 1622, when Joseph son of Hull-132 was estimated to be born. I think the wife agnes (on -640) needs to be looked at since they were married in the same time as Joseph sr (-132) m. his Agnes.
posted by Anne B
Hull-640 and Hull-132 appear to represent the same person because: I'm re proposing this merge. It needs careful analysis. The data doesn't match, but the two profiles do appear to represent the same man. What's going on here?
posted by Jillaine Smith
Greetings!

I added a bit to Rev. Joe's bio.

Enjoy!

JM

posted by Jeffrey Martin
Now that "unknown Unknown" has been added as a first wife, the children that were born before 1633 need to have Unknown as their mother instead of Agnes--who clearly wasn't.
posted by Samuel Reckford
Rev. Hull should have the categories: Weymouth, Massachusetts, and Massachusetts Bay Colony added, since he was instrumental in getting Weymouth named as such and incorporated into the colony.
posted by John Kingman
This is an important point to add. Hull was instrumental in removing the names of 2 Wampanoag villages that predated the English by thousands of years and that continued to be home to indigenous people during the colonial period. Wessagusset was renamed Weymouth after the port from which the Hull company sailed. The Cape Cod village of Mattakeese was renamed Barnstable, and Hull was credited as its founder. Renaming allowed the English to reset the clock. The "history" of Weymouth and Barnstable nearly always begin with the arrival of English "settlers." In fact, Cape Cod was "thickly settled" at the start of the 17th century. Archeological evidence across New England shows that "permanent settlement" has been the norm for 3,000 years with "extensive human presence" for 5,000 years and occupation for 10,000 years" (NPS).

Writing in the 19th century, Barnstable historian Amos Otis put it plainly: Plymouth Colony "granted" Nauset land to an Englishman named Collicut who "came to Mattakeese, surveyed certain lands, and appropriated some of them to his own particular use." When Collicut failed to build homes there, Plymouth passed the land to Hull and Thomas Dimmock. The latter was "appointed by the Colony Court to exercise the Barnstablemen in their arms" (p 336). The arms were the point of the place: the English were outnumbered and wanted a line of defense (or offense).

Throughout New England and the Canadian Maritimes, native and non-native communities are partnering to return indigenous place names to the region's maps.

I'm writing an article about Hull and have added about 50 sources with reading notes into his entry on Family Search. I'd be glad to hear from others who also have an interest in the family.

Joseph Hull. Family Search. [1]

National Park Service. "The Archeology of Outer Cape Cod." [2]

Otis, Amos. "Genealogical notes of Barnstable families, being a reprint of the Amos Otis papers, originally published in the Barnstable patriot." Ed CF Swift. 1888-90. [3]

posted by Jill Piggott
Hull-522 and Hull-132 do not represent the same person because: not enough correlation of facts to convince me they are the same person. Also pertinent information is missing from 522 that is in 132 ie: wifes name and list of children.
posted by Dennis Lepp
Hull-521 and Hull-132 appear to represent the same person because: Same death date, first name of "unknown" adds no value, no conflicts, recommend merge
posted by Bob Tonsmeire
Hull-522 and Hull-132 appear to represent the same person because: Same dates, same parents, first name "Joshua" vs "Joseph" likely a typo
posted by Bob Tonsmeire
I am a relative of the Rev. Joseph Hull as proven through DNA. My known ancestor is Benjamin Hull (Hull-12) but am unable to locate his father and grandfather and maybe ggrandfather.
posted by William Hull Jr.