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John Johnson Sr. (abt. 1680 - aft. 1736)

John Johnson Sr.
Born about [location unknown]
Ancestors ancestors
Son of [uncertain] and [mother unknown]
Husband of — married about 1700 in Henrico County, Virginia Colonymap
Descendants descendants
Died after after about age 56 in Hanover County, Virginiamap
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Biography

John Johnson first appears in St. Peter's Parish of New Kent Co. VA. in 1702 during the baptism of his son John, Jr. John Johnson, Sr. was twice married. The first wife was Lucretia Massie according to the Cedar Creek MM as found in vol. VI, p. 251 of the "Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy", by Hinshaw.

The second wife was Elizabeth Britain as indicated by "Henrico County, VA. Deeds 1677-1750", by Weisiger. John Johnson and kinsman Benjamin Johnson both appear together in the Vestry records of both St. Peter's in New Kent Co. & bordering St. Paul's Parish in Hanover Co. VA. 1702-1711. According to the minutes of the St. Peter's Parish Vestry as transcribed by Chamberlayne, John Johnson, Sr. was a building contractor on a list of "...the more important contractors and builders." He also built the kitchen in the St. Peter's Glebe House (1722). A later record showed John Johnson's former land near a Henry Talley. This would indicate Johnson's tract was near St. Peter's Church which is accessible today by Talleysville Rd. in New Kent Co. VA.

According to deeds abstracted by Weisiger, John Johnson's house was in New Kent Co. VA. (1714) near the bank of the Chickahominy River. He had another tract directly across the river in Henrico Co. VA. (200 ac.). A deed dated 1736 has John Johnson selling this Henrico tract while already living in St. Paul's Parish of Hanover Co. VA. as the instrument specifies. The deed was signed "John Johnson", also signing was "Elizabeth, wife of John, relinquished her dower right." This seems to be John Johnson's last record appearance. Elizabeth lived about another 15 years as inferred in the St. Paul's minutes. John Johnson, Jr., b. 1702, son of John & Lucretia, md. Elizabeth Ellyson. This has caused some confusion for researchers, a father John Johnson & wife Elizabeth and a son John Johnson & wife Elizabeth. John Johnson, Jr. had a son Ashley Johnson b. 1726 or about. John Johnson, Jr. & wife Elizabeth (Ellyson) later moved to Amelia Co. VA. In an Amelia Co. deed dated Jul. 17, 1746 Henry Dawson sold to "John Johnson of St. Paul's Parish Hanover County, Virginia", 500 ac. in Amelia Co. on western Appomattox River, wit. by Ashley Johnson, Jr.

In 1746 Elizabeth Johnson, Sr. was still in St. Paul's Parish of Hanover Co. as proven by the land procession records. Since John Johnson, Jr., being the elder son, would not likely leave his bio mother then Elizabeth must have been his step-mother. She seems to have still been alive in 1751 (Chamberlayne). Bio & sources added by descendant Dennis Stewart(16676).

Children [1]

  1. Agnes (Johnson) Ellyson
  2. John Johnson, Jr,, bpt: 22 Nov 1702; [2] [3] m: 06 Aug 1725 Elizabeth Elyson=Ellison [4]
  3. Massey=Massie Johnson, bpt: 05 Feb 1705 [5] [6]
  4. Benjamin Johnson
  5. Robert Johnson, bpt: 02 Apr 1708 [7] [8]
  6. James Johnson
  7. Margery (Johnson) Wright
  8. Thomas Johnson, bpt: 11 Jul 1714 [9]
  9. Ashley Johnson
  10. Charles Johnson.

DNA

The Johnson DNA Project has YDNA test results that show a close relationship between Benjamin JOHNSON and John JOHNSON [10] John and Benjamin are said to be sons of John, however their DNA is said not to be a close match to Edward. [11]

There is a 4.6 cM segment match of autosomal DNA shared between Benjamin Johnson descendant David Douglas (GEDMatch kit# T824570) and Benjamin Johnson descendant Bobby Clement (GEDMatch kit#T059571).

There are three small segment matches of auDNA for a total of 8.6 cM, the largest segment being 3.6 cM between kit#T824570 (Benjamin son of Edward) and kit#A782298 (Benjamin son of John).

Sources

  1. https://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lksstarr/html/Quaker%20Records.html
  2. St.Peter's parish register, p17
  3. image#362; p363; on ancestry.com; Text: John, son of John Johnson, baptiz ye 22 nov& 1702
  4. http://vikingsandvirginians.com/2012/05/29/john-johnson-c-1700-new-kent-hanover-counties-va/
  5. St.Peter's parish register, p17
  6. image#363; p364; on ancestry.com; Text: Massie Johnson, of John Johnson, bapt ye 5 ffebry 1705
  7. St.Peter's parish register, p18
  8. image#363; p364; Text: Robt., son of John Johnson, baptised the 2d of Apr: 1708?
  9. St.Peter's parish register, p18
  10. Margery Massie, daughter of George Massie; derivative sources cited
  11. Johnson DNA study

Also see:

  • "Henrico County, VA. Deeds 1677-1750", by Weisiger.
  • "Vestry Book and Register of St. Peter's Parish New Kent and James City Counties, Virginia 1684-1786", by Chamberlayne.
  • "Hanover County, Virginia St. Paul's Parish Vestry Book 1706-1786", by Chamberlayne.
  • "Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy", vol. VI, by Hinshaw.




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DNA Connections
It may be possible to confirm family relationships with John by comparing test results with other carriers of his Y-chromosome or his mother's mitochondrial DNA. Y-chromosome DNA test-takers in his direct paternal line on WikiTree: It is likely that these autosomal DNA test-takers will share some percentage of DNA with John:

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DNA testing indicates John Johnson is not related to the Johnstons of Aberdeen, Scotland. Suggest James be removed as the father.
posted by Dennis Stewart
On Wikitree profile 2045, John Johnson, Sr. I have obtained his land records

and would like to add them with other edits.

posted by Dennis Stewart
Johnston-20382 and Johnson-2045 appear to represent the same person because: dups with same wife and same 2 sons
posted by N Gauthier
Can we add Elizabeth?

Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/96591540/elizabeth-johnson : accessed 25 June 2022), memorial page for Elizabeth Johnson (1710–1711), Find a Grave Memorial ID 96591540, ; Maintained by Unknown44777 (contributor 50457195) Burial Details Unknown.

I match both Bobby and David. Bobby at 30.4 cm total and David at 22.1 cm. My Gedmatch is TX9570888. I have just started to work on my Johnston line and it looks like I'm in for a doozy. My most recent Johnson is Margaret Johnson 1705-1751 born in New Kent, VA and married Thomas Lacy. I would say this match is as good of a confirmation to John Johnson being her relative as I'm going to get. I had him listed as her father but according to this profile, he isn't. If anyone has further information about Margaret, I'd love to see it.
posted by Kristi Moore
John & Elizabeth descendants have Y-DNA results that placed them in the Olive Group of the FTDNA Johnson Project.

https://sites.google.com/site/jeffbockman/johnson-dna-project/olive-group

They also match with descendants of Benjamin & Margary's son Gideon.

John & Benjamin are closely related but there is no proven relationship (siblings or cousins?) John's parents are unknown. He is not the son of James since they do not match with the proven Caskieben descendants (tested 2021 & 2022).

at-DNA connections at this level are very small and there are so many cross-connections with the Moorman, Terrell, and Clark families that they do not really prove a Johnson connection.

posted by Jeffrey Bockman
Hello very excited to finally make this DNA link. My father John Speer Kit # FA4607886 is a Match with Bobby Clement at 8.1 cMs. I had to lower the cMs to 3 to get a match with David Douglas and yourself. Our ancestry runs through Benjamin son of John Johnson After Benjamin it immediately passes to Benjamin's daughter Elizabeth Johnson Hackworth. I will upload my Gedcom to wikitree and you can see where we are. I just found you tonight and see I have most of my research on point. A few errors which seem to be on going but I did this line over 30 years ago. I know this will prove a very industrious endeavor. Thanks Julie Belcher
posted by Julie (Speer) Belcher
I’m a descendant of Thomas Johnston. Thomas Jr. Jehu Sr.. —->Thomas Wiley or Wiley Thomas Johnston——> Francis Asbury Johnston—>> John Osmon Johnston—> Roy Leonard Johnston Sr.

GED# Rp6267805

posted by Ron Johnston Forbus Esquire
edited by Ron Johnston Forbus Esquire
“Comparing Kit RP6267805 (Ron Johnston Forbus) [Ancestry] and Kit T059571 (*BC36) [Migration - F2 - F]

Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically between 200 and 400 SNPs Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 5.0 cM Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.

Largest segment = 5.7 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 5.7cM (0.158 Pct) Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.7

1 shared segments found for this comparison.

427028 SNPs used for this comparison.

52.58 Pct SNPs are full identical

Comparison took 0.126. CPU time used: 0.032.”

I match with both of these guys. However, I have more total cM with #T824570. If one runs a GEDmatch one-to-one autosomal match with minimum segment of 3cM I have 40cM of common DNA with the first kit listed. My kit is Rp6267805 under Ron Johnston Forbus.


“DNA Matches

There is a 4.6 cM segment match of autosomal DNA shared between Benjamin Johnson descendant David Douglas (GEDMatch kit# T824570) and Benjamin Johnson descendant Bobby Clement (GEDMatch kit#T059571)

There are three small segment matches of auDNA for a total of 8.6 cM, the largest segment being 3.6 cM between Kit# T824570 (Benjamin son of Edward) and Kit# A782298 (Benjamin son of John)“

posted by Ron Johnston Forbus Esquire
edited by Ron Johnston Forbus Esquire
I am a DNA match with David Douglas and Bobby Clement. I set my threshold to 5 cM. My Gedmatch kit # is M114505
posted by Larry Herbstritt
“Comparing Kit RP6267805 (Ron Johnston Forbus) [Ancestry] and Kit M114505 (LARRY HERBSTRITT) [Migration - V3 - M]

Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically between 200 and 400 SNPs Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 5.0 cM Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.

Largest segment = 6 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 6cM (0.166 Pct) Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.6

1 shared segments found for this comparison.

443568 SNPs used for this comparison.

52.116 Pct SNPs are full identical

Johnston-9267 and Johnson-2045 appear to represent the same person because: Same. Same father and spouse. Johnston-9267 unsourced, so no facts to check.
posted by Kerry Larson
Serious research is underway to verify and resolve the discrepancies that have plagued this profile. When satisfactory resolutions have been found the bio with be updated and properly sourced. Thanks to Paula J, Eric and the Southern Pioneers Project which has taken the lead in efforts to make this profile as accurate as is possible.
posted by David Douglass
Even though it is a daunting task to distinguish between these Johnson's, we are continuing to research for documents and records. Also, we are researching and developing the collateral lines. We have found this method helpful in solving mysteries such as these.
posted by Paula J
You are right, there are problems with the Lorand Johnson genealogy and that is why we are relying on records. There are some problems with this line that we are correcting now. Thanks for your post and the sources!
posted by Paula J
Is this whole lineage screwed up? There are apparently some longstanding doubts about the genealogy by Dr. Lorand Johnson[1], by Suzanne Johnston[2][3] and others[4][5]. Was this ever resolved?
posted by Kerry Larson
Since this is a pre-1700 profile, ties that bind (without sources) needs to be replaced if possible.
posted by Paula J
Nowhere on the profile of Edward Johnson is a son called John mentioned, although one is connected. Edward has a number of disputed children attached including William Johnston which is not based on any evidence. The bio must be changed to reflect the attached parents with maybe a note with the possibility of being the son of Edward or detached and proof of a John son of Edward found.
posted by [Living Daly]
Well spotted Kerry. I will consult with the Project Managers and accordingly make the appropriate change. Update: I will defer making changes until the Project Managers have completed investigations.
posted by [Living Wood]
The biography states that John is the son of Edward Johnston and Elizabeth Walker, but the parent links are to James Johnston and Faith Leith.
posted by Kerry Larson
Johnson-48196 and Johnson-2045 appear to represent the same person because: need to merge these duplicate profiles
posted by Cheryl (Stone) Caudill

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