Madeleine (Joire) Blanchan
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Madeleine (Joire) Blanchan (bef. 1611 - abt. 1688)

Madeleine "Magdalena" Blanchan formerly Joire aka Jorise, Jorisse, Gore, Blanchard
Born before in Neuville-au-Cornet, St. Pol-sur-Ternoise, Artois, Pas de Calais, Francemap
Ancestors ancestors
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married 15 Oct 1633 in Armentières, Francemap
Descendants descendants
Died about after about age 76 in Ulster County, New York Colonymap
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Biography

Madeleine (Joire) Blanchan was a Huguenot emigrant (1540-1790).

Madeleine Joire was born in France, baptized a Roman Catholic (her sponsors were Bartholomeus LeBlanc and Magdalena Gruson)[1] in Armentières on October 27, 1611.

Baptismal record of Magdalena

[2][3] Magdeleine was the daughter of Petrus (Pierre) Joire and his wife Jacoba (Jacqueline) Le Blanc (also Le Blan).

She married Mathieu Blanchan (Mattheus, Matteus Blanchard [4]) on October 15, 1633 in the Roman Catholic Church in Armentières and "six of the couple's children were baptized in that church":[5]

  1. Francois Blanchan, April 6, 1635
  2. Jean Blanchan, January 12, 1637
  3. Catherine Blanchan, December 26, 1637
  4. Marie Blanchan, "ca. 1640 (baptismal record is yet undiscovered)"
  5. Maximillian Blanchan, August 14, 1642
  6. Nicolas Blanchan, November 6, 1644, baptized at the Walloon Church at Canterbury, England
  7. Madeleine (Magdalena) Blanchan, May 16, 1647, Canterbury, England
  8. Elizabeth Blanchan, Abt 1651 Manheim, Baden, Germany
  9. Matthew Blanchan, 18 April 1655[6]

At some point Madeleine and Mathieu switched their religion from Roman Catholic (at least outwardly) to Reformed (Calvinist) Protestant. The families may have been "secret Huguenots" that conformed outwardly to their majority Roman Catholic community in France but declared their Calvinist Reformed faith when they emigrated.

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Madeleine (Joire) Blanchan migrated from France to England.
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The family migrated from Mannheim to New Netherland.

The Blanchans moved to Canterbury, Kent, England before 6 November 1644 (baptism of son Nicolas there); by 1651 they were living in Mannheim, in the German Palatinate, a Protestant-ruled territory. In 1660 they embarked for Nieuw Amsterdam in Nieuw Nederland, North America.

In 1660, Mattheus and Magdeleine Blanshan came to America on the Gilded Otter - De Vergulde Otter - with their three children: Magdalena, Elizabeth and Matthew, ages 12, 9, and 5. Mattheus was listed on the passenger list as an agriculturist (farmer). The ship sailed from Amsterdam in April 1660 and arrived in New Amsterdam in August.[7] The Blanchans arrived at Wiltwyck before December 7, 1660.[1] On 25 Dec 1660 the new minister, Dominie Blom, recorded their participation at his first celebration of the Lord's Supper at the Reformed Dutch Church, now memorialized in a plaque.

First Communion Participants List

Name

Madeleine "Magdalena" (Joire) Blanchan.

Given name: Madeleine,[8] Magdalena, Magdeleine, Magdeline, Magdalene, Madelena, Madeline, Maddelen, Madelin.
Surname: Joire, Jorisse, Jorise, Jarisse, Gore

Middle name: The origin of "Brissen" (sometimes Brison or Brisson) as a middle name for her is unknown, but it is possibly a misreading of her sponsor: Magdalena "Gruson".[9]

Married name: Blanchan, Blanchon.

Immigration

Matthew sailed to New Netherlands with his wife (Madalenne) and 3 children (Magdalen 12, Elisabeth 9 and Mattys Jr. 5) on 26 Apr 1660 in the De Vergulde Otter (The Gilded Otter). One married () daughter also came at that time with her husband (), and another () came later with her husband (). They arrived in New Amsterdam (NYC) before 25 Aug 1660.[10][11] Another source writes that "Matthew Blanshan and his wife, Maddeleen Jorisse,...were the first of these [Huguenot] refugees to set sail for the new world in the Gilded Otter, April 27, 1660...They arrived at Wiltwyck before December 7 [sic], 1660, for at that date we find Dominie Blom's record of their presence at his first celebration of the Lord's Supper."[12] A plaque listing names of those at first Lord's Supper at Kingston Dutch Reform Church show her as the wife of Mattiu Blanschan. [13]

Plaque: First Lord's Supper at Esopus

Death

Madeleine (Joire) Blanchan died in... [citation needed] Hurley or Kingston, Ulster, New York about 1680,[14][15] Alternate death dates: about 1688 or about 1715; 30 Apr 1688 She is buried in the Old Hurley Burial Ground in Hurley, Ulster, New York.[16]

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Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 from her husband's profile
  2. Madeleine was listed as the name in the baptism records in the February 2013 DBFA Newsletter DBFA Newsletter .pdf file online. The newsletter's article on the Joires also questions "Brisson." She was recorded as "Magdalena Jorre" in the baptismal record for her first child, François (and a variety of spellings in the records for other children; see the DBFA newsletter, pg. 6).
    :Note - The first page of the pdf shows July 2012, but it is the February 2013 edition.
  3. one profile had birth "about 1608" - which while doubtful with a 1611 christening in France is still possible. Another profile had about 1610.
  4. Find-a-Grave Memorial ID 160842312
  5. "DBFA Newsletter" February 2013: Part IV: "Inlaws — The Family JOIRE" (online .pdf)
  6. Archives départementales du Nord. Armentieres B 1590-1612. Digital Page 559. [https://archivesdepartementales.lenord.fr/?id=viewer&doc=accounts%2Fmnesys_ad59%2Fdatas%2Fir%2FEtat_civil%2FFRAD059_MI_A_Z_2011_07_01%2Exml&page
  7. See also ISTG's passenger list. See additional links on the category page.
  8. in the baptism records listed in the February 2013 DBFA Newsletter pdf online
  9. sponsors' names in February 2013 DBFA Newsletter pdf online, which also questions "Brisson".
  10. [1]
  11. Boyer, C., Ed. (1978). Ship passenger lists. Newhall, Calif.: Boyer. pp.138, 270.
  12. Le Fevre, Ralph. History of New Paltz, New York, and its old families (from 1678 to 1820). Albany, N.Y.: Brandow Printing Company, 1909. pp.507-508.[2]
  13. Wikipedia contributors. (2020, December 16). Roeloff Swartwout. In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 01:23, January 29, 2021, from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roeloff_Swartwout&oldid=994492423
  14. Source: Brøderbund Software, Inc., World Family Tree Vol. 17, Ed. 1 (Release date: December 11, 1997; Family Archive CD, Customer pedigree). Text: Tree #0513, Date of Import: Apr 12, 1999
  15. Source: Ferree-Becker.FTW (dates of import, April 12 & 13, 1999)
  16. Find-a-Grave MEMORIAL ID 160842453
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Acknowledgements

  • Many people contributed profiles and other input to this profile, including Rodney Timbrook, Bill LaBach, Jeffrey Lewis, Thomas MacEntee, Donald Gradeless, Carl Rhodes, Tom Rhodes, Karen Pelling, Jim Walker. Thank you to everyone who contributed to this profile.
  • Click the Changes tab to see edits to this profile; from that list, click WikiTree IDs other than Joire-1 to see changes to those profiles prior to being merged.

Why Joire?

Other Sources

  • My Heritage
  • Family Tree - Landreth Web Site - MyHeritage

See also: Epperson, Gwenn F. "Magdalena Joire: A 'Mademoiselle from Armentieres'," New York Genealogical & Biographical Record, Vol. 122, No. 2, April, 1991, page 133, an excerpt from which is available at https://books.google.com/books/about/New_Netherland_Roots.html?id=stSeDEkLX5sC.





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There doesn't seem to be any evidence that Mathieu Blanchan and Madelaine Joire had a daughter named Anna (Blanchan-29). The information in her profile relates to her parents and siblings, but doesn't provide any new information about Anna, and the only sources provided are the four articles by Monte Horton, which don't contain any mention of Anna Blanchan. The last article mentions Mathieu Blanchan, but only in the context of his marriage into the Joire family. It contains a list of children of Mathieu Blanchan and Madeleine Joire, but Anna Blanchan is not one of them.

So there is nothing in Anna's profile that gives a clue as to her identity. In fact, if she was a daughter of Mathieu Blanchan and Madeleine Joire then her birth information (1635 in Mannheim, Germany) is probably incorrect, since they had a child, Francois, baptized in Armentières, France, where they were living, in April 1635.

The profile of Anna's husband, Simon Frear (Frear-1), doesn't provide any new information, either, since his birth data was a guess based on information in Anna's profile.

The only "solid" data point is the marriage of Anna Blanchan and Simon Frear on 12 May 1670. Now this may be a coincidence, but there was an Annatje Blanshan (Blanshan-55), daughter of Matheus Blanshan (Blanshan-15), who married a Simon Freer (Freer-602) on 12 May 1770, EXACTLY 100 years later. She was born in Hurley, Ulster Co., New York, and he was born in New Paltz, Ulster Co.

Is it possible that somebody mistakenly entered the wrong marriage year, and that Anna's profile actually represents Annatje Blanchan, rather than Anna Blanchan?

posted by William Horder
Good sleuthing. I think you're right that Mathieu Blanchan and Madelaine Joire did not have a daughter Anna.
posted by Ann Risso
Could someone from the project add Maximilian Blanchan (Blanchan-55) as a son of Madeleine? His baptism record lists Madeleine Jorre as his mother. Thanks!
posted by William Horder
Hi! I'm on the trusted list and was able to connect them. Thank you for finding his profile.

Cheers, Liz (10x-gr-granddaughter of Madeleine)

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
There are several Data Doctor Errors, all "966 Link error" mostly related to the "DBFA.org" newsletters. I am not familiar enough with the profile or the organization to attempt to correct them. But I have listed them here for your convenience:

The newsletter seems to still exist, so there may be corrected links that can be provided. Thanks!

Also, these same links need to be corrected in her husband's profile!

posted by Bartley McRorie
edited by Bartley McRorie
Thanks Bartley. The DBFA reorganized its website a while back - I thought I'd gotten them all updated. Maybe there was another reorg/update.

I'll look into this after the thon (usually takes me a few hours each to find the missing link - just don't have the stamina/brain power for that during a thon).

DBFA = Du Bois Family Association.

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Liz, you really are the best!!
posted by Bartley McRorie
Sorry for the delay! I've updated the links. The reorg moved all the newsletters to be clickable links from http://www.dbfa.org/newsletters-3/

Cheers, Liz

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Joisse-1 and Joire-1 appear to represent the same person because: Although someone had thought that Joisse-1 was the wife of Jacob Burhans (Burhans-36), I believe that this is an error and that she was the wife of Mattieu Blanchan (Blanchan-5). 1 article say Burhans (Dominie Blom Guides First Dutch Church in Oganization, 1659." The Kingston Daily Freeman. Kingston New York, Saturday Evening, 19 June 1937. p.2. col.5-6.), but all the other references indicate Blanchan. There are various spellings for all 3 names.
posted by Carolynn (Rowe) Ramsey
Joisse is a new-to-me spelling (see https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/31651/wife-joire-jorise-jorisse for other alternatives), but the profile does appear to be a duplicate of this one.

Since Ellen Smith questioned Burhans-36 as husband several years ago, I've detached that profile as husband of Joisse-1.

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
We are getting the Data Doctor Error: 577 FindAGrave - Imprecise death date.

Find A Grave shows a death date of exactly 30 Apr 1688.

WikiTree shows "about 1688".

Not knowing enough about my 7G grandmother to say if that exact date is correct, I've added the "|sameas=no" parameter to the Find A Grave reference to eliminate the error. But I wanted to call attention to it here, in case any of the many, many profile managers or other interested parties wish to sustain a dialog on this issue!

If we can agree on the precise death date shown in Find A Grave, then the extra parameter may be deleted.

posted by Bartley McRorie
dbfa.org apparently was revamped this month. newsletters can now be found at http://www.dbfa.org/newsletters-3/

Cheers, Liz

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
dbfa february 2013 newsletter can be found at this url now: http://www.dbfa.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2013-February.pdf
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
C-213 K C
Jorisse-11 and Joire-1 appear to represent the same person because: Same person: The names on Jorisse-11 are alt names included in Joire-1. The profile , Joire-1, has been researched/discussed at length. Could a project member review this and see why there is a discrepancy re: birthplace, etc. between profiles and make a recommendation re: merge request?
posted by K C
Joisse-4 and Joisse-1 appear to represent the same person because: Same person. Slight spelling variation on first name.
posted on Joisse-1 (merged) by Ellen Smith
Joisse-2 and Joisse-1 appear to represent the same person because: Dates match. No other details on the Joisse-2 profile, however. As with Joisse-3, this merge will not be delayed by conflicting profiles for the parents, as none of the profiles shows a parent.
posted on Joisse-1 (merged) by Ellen Smith
Joisse-3 and Joisse-1 appear to represent the same person because: These are clearly intended to represent the same person, based on name, dates, and married name. There are no parent profiles for this person, so there are no parent-profile conflicts that would delay a merge.

I am, however, very curious about the sources for this person. None of the sources I've seen (nor even any of the other MyHeritage profiles I've examined) lists a wife for Jacob Burhans or a mother for Jan Burhans. (However, I'm not a Burhans descendant, so I've not searched as fervently as a descendant might have done.) What is the source of this information?

posted on Joisse-1 (merged) by Ellen Smith
detached Jacob Burhans (Burhans-36) as husband (there were no other profiles attached).
posted on Joisse-1 (merged) by Liz (Noland) Shifflett