| Elizabeth (Unknown) Sawtell migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). Join: Puritan Great Migration Project Discuss: pgm |
This profile originally asserted a birth of about 1615 at Rattlesden, Suffolk, England with absolutely no source. About 1615 may be correct since her first proven child was born in 1638 but clearly is NOT possible if she was the Elizabeth Pople married at High Ham, Somersetshire in 1628 (and there is absolutely no proof that this is the correct marriage record as analyzed here and on Richard's profile). Her origins are unknown at this point other than presumably born in England.
The profile also asserted a marriage of 28 Feb 1637 at Watertown, Massachusetts which is not supported by any known source. Since Richard Sawtell's land grant in 1637 was for a single man, and their first proven child was born in 1638 (Elizabeth), their marriage is being set to "before 1638" with an uncertain Watertown, MA location.
The maiden name of the wife of Richard Sawtell has not been documented. His will[1] (and Watertown birth records of their children) only names her Elizabeth.
This profile originally asserted that "Pope claims her name was POPLE" citing no source and in fact, Pope in "Pioneers of Massachusetts...&c" makes no such claim, he only states that her first name was Elizabeth.[2]
Torrey in "New England Marriages to 1700" asserts a last name of "Pople" (Richard is listed both as Sautle and Sawtell)[3]. Of all the sources Torrey cites, only one (Farr Ancestry)[4] claims a last name for Elizabeth and the book gives no rationale whatsoever for associating this Richard & Elizabeth with the 1627 marriage in Somersetshire. Clearly this is "Name is the same" logic and while it could be true, it should not be considered "proven" by any means. The author (Edith Bartlett Sumner) goes on to say that they "might" have had a child Richard born in England who died in 1676 although the death supposedly appears in Watertown Vital Records but he may have died in England. She also says that he was born in Watertown, so this author was not internally consistent along with asserting unsourced facts.
A last name of "Post" was also asserted (mistakenly) in another of Torrey's sources, "Cross Ancestry".[5] Unfortunately the author (Roselle Theodore Cross) made a generational mistake. John Sawtelle, SON of this Richard the immigrant married Elizabeth Post and the grandson bequeathed to by Elizabeth's father Thomas Post was John (jr), son of John Sr. R.T. Cross knew of John (Sr)'s first marriage to an "Anne" but seems to have mixed up the Elizabeth Post marriage. The language of the will (written in 1691) and a bit of math proves this. The will said that John would receive his bequest when he came of age meaning he was under 21 in 1691 and therefore born after 1670. If R.T. Cross was right in her book, the the John who was bequeathed to was John "Sr", son of Richard the immigrant; that John was born in 1648 so was 43 years old when the will was written. Therefore the grandson of Thomas Post was clearly NOT John son of Richard, and Richard was clearly NOT married to Elizabeth "Post".
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[Do you know Elizabeth's family name?] | S > Sawtell > Elizabeth (Unknown) Sawtell
Categories: Puritan Great Migration
Marriage Date: 5 Feb 1627 Marriage Place: High Ham, Somerset, England
FHL Film Number: 1526638
Source: England, Marriages, 1538–1973. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.
I could just as well say that the man married in 1628 was the one buried in 1640, 3 miles away at Huish Episcopi, Somerset https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS%2FSOMERSET%2FBUR%2F002648594 since the record doesn't say "son of", he was over 21. Without supporting evidence, we don't know it was the right marriage and then an 10 year gap to their first proven child (Elizabeth) seems strange.
Genealogies of Kentucky Families from The Register of the Kentucky Historical Society, Vol. II https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=FLHG-KYFamiliesII&h=169648&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt&_gl=1*n88ejc*_ga*MTE5NDU4OTg0OS4xNjQ5MTY3NjEw*_ga_4QT8FMEX30*MTY1NTc1NDIzMi4xMDcuMS4xNjU1NzU3NTYwLjU4
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Torrey's New England Marriages under Sautle cites Bond's Watertown for the Pople surname, and points us to the possible High Ham couple in Somersetshire.
I also challenge anyone to find a primary source for the currently shown marriage date of 28 Feb 1637 in Watertown. Watertown VRs are here. Nothing found in a search on AmericanAncestors.org beyond the Torrey's entry. I think that marriage data should be removed lacking any credible source.
Unfortunately the author (Roselle Theodore Cross) made a generational mistake. John Sawtelle, SON of this Richard the immigrant married Elizabeth Post and the grandson bequeathed to by Thomas Post was John (jr), son of John Sr. R.T. Cross knew of John (Sr)'s first marriage to an "Anne" but seems to have mixed up the Elizabeth Post marriage. The language of the will (written in 1691) and a bit of math proves this. The will said that John would receive his bequest when he came of age meaning he was under 21 in 1691 and therefore born after 1670. If R.T. Cross was right in her book, the the John who was bequeathed to was John "Sr", son of Richard the immigrant; that John was born in 1648 so was 43 years old when the will was written. Therefore the grandson of Thomas Post was clearly NOT John son of Richard, and Richard was clearly NOT married to Elizabeth "Post".
Hope this helps.