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John Lawrence (abt. 1390 - 1461)

John Lawrence
Born about in Englandmap
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Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Died at about age 71 in Suffolk, Englandmap
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Biography

"We now turn to the pedigree of the Wisset and Rumburgh family, which can be traced back for a number of generations in Rumburgh to a certain Thomas Lawrence of Rumburgh, whose will was dated 17 July 1471. The pedigree, without giving any proof, states that he was the son of a certain John Lawrence, who is said to have died in Suffolk in 1461, and that he, in turn, was the son of Nicholas Lawrence of Agercroft, a cadet of the Lawrences of Ashton Hall in Lancashire. This is probably based upon some Tudor compilation and its value can be estimated by the statement that Nicholas Lawrence, who lived in the first half of the fifteenth century had a grandson, who died in 1601! Lancashire is a long way from Suffolk and better proof than the unsupported statement of some Tudor pedigree maker is necessary to connect the two families. The late William Whitmore, Esq., of Boston in a carefully compiled article in the Herald and Genealogist showed that the descent of the Suffolk family from Nicholas of Agercroft was totally unproved."[1]

He has been detached from Nicholas Lawrence and Margaret Holden as parents. (see above).

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  1. https://kinsmenandkinswomen.com/2016/06/28/british-origins-of-the-lawrences-of-groton-and-boston-saying-goodbye-to-a-much-loved-myth/




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Lawrence-5594 and Lawrence-311 appear to represent the same person because: This is the start of a long family line of duplicates. Many dates on these profiles appear to be guesses and should be ignored.
posted by Rick Pierpont
John Lawrence, testor of 1461 is disproven as an ancestor of John Lawrence of Watertown.

Wood, Michael Johnson. "The Earliest Shermans of Dedham, Essex and Their Wives." New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 167, January 2013. Page 37. (Online database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2001-2018.)

https://www.americanancestors.org/DB202/i/14128/37/36729302

posted by Jill (Neibaur) Olson
There is no such place as "St. James Park, Suffolk (County)." There is a St. James Park, Westminster (i.e. London); and there is a village called St. James, in Elmham, Suffolk.

Similarly, why is this person supposed to have been born in "Agercroft" which is both a non-place; and if we generously assume a typo for Agecroft Road, Pendlebury (i.e Manchester, Lancashire) that is about FIFTY MILES away from Ashton Hall, where other members of his family were born/living around this time.

I'm pulling the fire alarm.

This looks an awful lot like another "Ancestry.com sourceless special." These are ruining Wikitree, one profile at a time, one visitor at a time.

I suggest we either re-source this profile; or just delete it, until adequate primary sources can be found.

posted by Isaac Taylor
Something seems fishy with this profile, and the family relationships. I think this "persons" father may actually be his brother; they share the same mother, as he and his brothers, it appears? I'm not 100% sure on this (lotta Lawrences) but this doesn't look right at first glance.

Allana?

posted by Isaac Taylor
Lawrence-311 and Lawrence-993 appear to represent the same person because: Same birthdate, death date, location and children
posted by Tracy Lawrence