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Robert (Lee) of Roden II

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Robert of Roden II formerly Lee aka of Langley
Born in Langley, Shropshire, Englandmap
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Categories: Lee | Roden, Shropshire | Stanton upon Hine Heath, Shropshire | Langley, Shropshire | Berrington, Shropshire.

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Biography

Robert Lee, esq, Lord of Roodon[1] alias Robert Lee lord of Roden[2] alias Robert Lee of Longeley[3] alias Robert de Lee of Rodene[4]

At Byriton on the feast of St. John before the Latin Cate 15 Richard II, 6 May 1392, Robert de Lee, lord of Byriton, grants to Roger Colle of Salop a messuage with a virgate of land in Byriton which William Gastr' once held and half virgate of land in Eton which Robert de Thornes of Salop held, to held to Robert, his heirs and assigns from the feast of St. John before the latin Cate 15 Richard II for 99 years, paying to Robert 22/- p.a. Suit of court. Witnesses: Sir William Hugfford, knt, Sheriff of Salop, William de Eton Walter Beterall, John Balynger, Richard Balle. Docketed, a lease of byrynceton & Yeaton for those landes Yeaton half yarde lande R 2.[5]

Robert Lee, esq, Lord of Roodon, was married to Petronilla,[1] [4] [6] before 17 November 1400.[7]

Mead in his history of the Lee family pubished in 1868, was unable to discover the last name of Petronilla, the wife of Robert Lee of Langley in Shropshire. as it was Lee and he was unaware that he already knew it, although he found references to her in charters dated 11 Henry IV, 17 Henry VI, and 20 Henry VI.[8] [9] However, Petronilla's son Ralph Lee in 1458/9 [37 Henry VI], said his mother Petronilla was the sister of Edward and they were the children of Roger son of John son of John son of Reyner de la Lee.[10] In 19 Richard II [22 June 1395-21 June 1396], Edward de la Lee of Pemenhulle (Pimhill), the son of Roger son of John son of John son of Reyner de la Lee, sued Ralph, Abbot of Haghmond, for three messuages and a carucate of land in Hadenhale, which Thomas de la Lee, Kt, gave to Reyner, his son, and the heirs of his body; the Abbot called to warranty Hugh Cheyne, Chivaler, son and heir of Hugh Cheyne.[11] [12]

A writ was issued on 26 October 1400, regarding Joan, wife of Roger de la Lee, who died on 18 September, and an Inquisition was taken at Shrewsbury in Shropshire on 17 November, which found that Joan's daughter, Petronilla, wife of Robert Lee of Roden, aged 22 years and more, was her heir, and had no children at that time.[7] The jury found Joan held in her demesne as of fee:

  • a third part of the manor of Langley, with the advowson of the chapel of Ruckley, of the king in chief as one third of a quarter of a knight’s fee, annual value 40s.
  • ‘Le Lee’, 1 messuage and 1 carucate of Robert Lee of Roden by a rent of 1d., annual value 26s.8d.
  • Hadnall, 1 messuage and 1 virgate, of the same by a rent of 1d., annual value 10s.
  • Leighton, 3 messuages and 3 virgates, of the abbot of Shrewsbury by a rent of 6s.8d., annual value 30s.; and 1 messuage and 1 nook, of Thomas earl of Arundel by a rent of 2s., annual value 10s.
  • Shrewsbury, 1 burgage, of the king in free burgage, annual value 2s.[7]

Robert and Petronilla had children:

  1. Rauf[4] alias Ralph Lee,[10] alias Radulphus de Lee, living 25 Henry VI (1461) and 13 Edward IV (1472). died, 19 Edward IV (~1481)[9]
  2. Anne;[1]

Robert Lee lord of Roden and his wife Petronilla on 11 November 1406 [Thursday on the feast of St. Martin 8 Henry IV], at Longeley, exchanged a meadow in Rukley for a meadow in the demesne of Longley with Ista Harreley and her son John.[2]

On 10 December 1408 [Monday before the feast of St. Lucy 10 Henry IV], Robert Lee lord of Rodon and Petronilla his wife leased to John Hugyns and his wife the manor of Staunton on Hyneheth with all it lands etc, except the ponds and the conynger and pleas and perquisites of the lord's court of his tenants there, to hold to John and his wife for the life of both, witnessed by Robert Corbert, Thomas Neuport, Robert Lee of Ofyton and others.[6]

On 7 April 1417 [Wednesday after Palm Sunday 5 Henry V], John Betton of Salop released and quitclaimed to Robert Lee of Longeley and Petronilla his wife all claim in the land lying in the fields of Rokeley near Longeley which he gave to Robert and Petronilla.[3]

At Bireton on Wednesday after the feast of St. Hilary 3 Henry VI, 1425, Robert Lee of Rodon and Petronilla his wife granted to Richard son of Nicholas de Brompton and Margaret his wife, the Manor of Biriton with the demesne belonging. To hold to Nicholas and Margaret for their lives as the said Richard held it beforehand for a term of 9 years. Paying to the grantors 5 marks p.a., at the Annunciation and Michaelmas; of the chief lords of the fee for due service. Richard and Margaret shall be suitors at the lord's court and pay silver of the suit of the hundred of Condovere. They are to maintain and sustain the said manor and houses built on it at their cost. Richard is to out hedges that is plash with ?cuttings of trees growing on the hedges of the said manor, with flooding of meadow. Richard and Margaret shall have the reversion of them for fuel without waste, saving the great trees will remain to the lord, except in time of necessity for sufficient timber to repair the said houses by licence of the lord and supervision of the bailiff there. Richard and Margaret give at entry 6/8, 20 bushels of grey peas and 3 bushels of green ?peas (pisis) and a gallon of wine at the sealing of the said deed. Witnesses: Roger de Eton, William de Eton, William Broke of Brompton, William Fode of Cantalop, Robert Granger then bailiff there. Docketed: Byryton.[13]

Robert Lee, esq, Lord of Roodon, made his will on 30 October, 1435, asking to be buried in a tomb in the parish church of Byryton, and left 6/8 to each of his executors, Richard Hord and Richard Rector of Acton Burnell, with the residue to Petronilla, his wife, to marry Anne his daughter.[1]

Robert Lee, esq, Lord of Roodon, died before 14 March 1435/6, when his will proved before Thomas Haywode, and Bishop William, Sequestrator and Comissary General of the Church of the College of St Chad, Salop.[1]

At Alverton on Monday after the feast of St. Hilary 15 Henry VI (14 January 1436/7), Pernell once the wife of Robert de Lee of Rodene leased the Manor of Alverton and the services and customs of all her tenants of the said manor, to Rauf son of the said Robert and Pernell, to hold to Rauf for the term of her life, paying to her p.a. 6 marks, that is 40s on the feast of All Saints and 40/- on the Invention of Holy Cross.[4] This Indenture of Allartone is in French.

In 37 Henry VI [1 September 1458-31 August 1459], Ralph Lee, the son of Petronilla daughter of Roger son of John son of John son of Reyner de la Lee sued Roger Corbet, of Moreton, for land in Staunton-upon-Hynhithe, which Philip de Wystantowe had given to John son of John son of Reyner de la Lee and the heirs of his body in the time of Edward II [1307-1327].[10]


Confusion about Robert and Petronilla Lee in Published Works

Petronilla's Paternal Ancestors The Visitation of Shropshire, 1623, says that Petronilla's parents were unknown, and her husband, Robert de la Lee de Langley, was the son of Roger or Robert de la Lee and his wife, Johanna, the daughter of Edward Burnell.[14] The Lee Pedigree by Townley and Pomfret from 1750, which is published in Mead,[9] follows the Visitation.

However, the evidence from Petronilla's brother, Edward,[11] her son, Ralph,[10] the Inquisition post mortem of her mother Joan, Roger's wife,[7] and the will of her husband, "Robert Lee, esq, Lord of Roodon"[1] refutes the Visitation and provides clear proof of her children, her sibling, her parents, and her paternal ancestors for five generations. Other errors in this family's pedigree in the Visitation of Shropshrie are listed in the notes to Part One of Cazenove Lee's Lee Chronicle [15]

Petronilla's Maternal Ancestors Edward, the son of William Burnel, married Margaret, the daughter of Reginald de Leyghe, on 10 January 1328/9 at Longeleys in Shropshire,[16] (as they were to live with their respective father's for 4 years one, or both of them, was probably underage).

"Rogerus Lee, son and heir, first lord of Langley. Marries Johanna, daughter and heiress of Edward Burnell.
"Being the eldest son of Robert Lee, he succeeds to most of the property on the paternal side, and his issue forms the direct line, or first branch, of the family. He also marries an heiress, by whom he obtains the Langley Estate, situated in Shropshire.
"Edward Burnel is mentioned in the parliamentary writs of Edward II, as the son and heir of Philip Burnell, who was summoned to parliament as a baron in 1316, and held lands in fourteen counties."[8]

Joanna's father Edward Burnel was not the son and heir of Philip Burnell because:

  • Sir Edward Burnel, son of Sir Philip Burnel, was born in 1286,[17] his mother Maud Fitz Alan was the sister of Richard Earl of Arundel,[18] who on 1302 petitioned the king and council for remedy as her late husband held socages and burgages in various counties when he died, and she ought to have them for the upbringing of Edward, Philip's son, who was under age, but the king had retained the properties.[19]
  • Edward Burnel, son of Philip Burnel, was married to Aline Despenser, the daughter of Hugh, who was living a widow In 1321, when she petitioned the King, that she might have for the term of her life, for a reasonable fine, the manor of Marley, which she purchased from Hugh Despenser the father without permission and which the escheator had seized.[20],
  • Edward died childless at Thirnyngg in Norfolk on 22 August 9 Edward II [1315/6], and his sister Maud the widow of John Lovel was his heir.[21]
  • On 10 July 14 Edward III [1340], Edward Burnell, Lord of Longleley, was one of the witnesses when the Lady Aline, widow of Edward Burnell, of the manor of Smethcote under the Longmynd, who held one third of the manor in dower of Lord John de handle, reached an agreement for the division of the woods and commons of the manor of Smethcote with the other people who held shares of that manor, ie, William de Smethcote; and John de Acton Scot and Rchard, son of Richard Tristremheld; some of the witnesses included Sir William de Erchalewe, Sir Roger Corbett de Cause, and John du Lee, Lord of Biriton.[22]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 The National Archives Website: Discovery: 1514/529, Catalogue of the Shropshire deeds and papers of the Smythe Family of Acton Burnell, FAMILY MORTGAGES, MARRIAGE SETTLEMENTS & WILLS, http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/28f436fc-c81e-4505-8b81-254d898c8a65. 7 November 2014
  2. 2.0 2.1 The National Archives Website: Discovery: 1514/237, Catalogue of the Shropshire deeds and papers of the Smythe Family of Acton Burnell, LORDSHIP OF LANGLEY, RUCKLEY, http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/33f47e8b-8e96-4394-ac04-e4f5d912b605. 7 November 2014
  3. 3.0 3.1 The National Archives Website: Discovery: 1514/239, Catalogue of the Shropshire deeds and papers of the Smythe Family of Acton Burnell, LORDSHIP OF LANGLEY, RUCKLEY, http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/6773ac8c-910f-433c-9d9f-0a88d8b1d0e3. 7 November 2014
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 The National Archives Website: Discovery: 1514/408, Catalogue of the Shropshire deeds and papers of the Smythe Family of Acton Burnell, Deeds - Shropshire, MYDDLE, ALDERTON, http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/93e3eca8-b1f2-42a3-9176-b844ab1be531, 6 December 2014
  5. Discovering Shropshire's History: 1514/264, Catalogue of the Shropshire deeds and papers of the Smythe Family of Acton Burnell, Deeds - Shropshire, BERRINGTON PARISH, Lease (6 May 1392), http://search.shropshirehistory.org.uk/collections/getrecord/CCA_X1514_3_3_264/, 8 December 2014
  6. 6.0 6.1 The National Archives Website: Discovery: 1514/473, Catalogue of the Shropshire deeds and papers of the Smythe Family of Acton Burnell, Deeds - Shropshire, STANTON-on-HINEHEATH, http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/08d7ef7e-9859-4d7d-a66e-aa382314a025. 16 November 2014
  7. 7.0 7.1 7.2 7.3 The Deputy Keeper of the Records, Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and other Analogous Documents preserved in the Public Record Office, Vol XVIII Henry IV, (London: His Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for the Home Department / Institute of Historical Research, School of Advanced Study at the University of London, ), accessed 2 December 2014, http://www.history.ac.uk/cipm-18-part-iv . Abstract No 399 Joan wife of Roger de la Lee.
  8. 8.0 8.1 Mead 1868, p. 35, accessed 11 May 2014, amb
  9. 9.0 9.1 9.2 Mead 1868, pp. 84-100, number 11
  10. 10.0 10.1 10.2 10.3 Wrottesley 1905, p. 398
  11. 11.0 11.1 Wrottesley 1905, p. 198
  12. Note on Petronilla Lee: Said by John D Newport at Ancestry.com to be daughter of Roger Lee and his second wife, Joanna Burnell, and to have married her half-brother. (Still looking for confirmation. amb)
  13. Discovering Shropshire's History: 1514/266, Catalogue of the Shropshire deeds and papers of the Smythe Family of Acton Burnell, Deeds - Shropshire, BERRINGTON PARISH, Lease (1425), http://search.shropshirehistory.org.uk/collections/getrecord/CCA_X1514_3_3_266/, 8 December 2014
  14. George Grazebrook, FSA, and John Paul Rylands, FSA, ed., The visitation of Shropshire taken in the year 1623 by Robert Tresswell, Somerset Herald, and Augustine Vincent, Rouge Croix Pursuivant of Arms; Marshals and Deputies to William Camden, Clarenceux King of Arms. With Additions from the Pedigrees of Shropshire Gentry taken by the Heralds in the Years 1569 and 1584, and Other Sources, Part II, The Publications of the Harleian Society, XXIX, (London: Harleian Society, 1889), https://archive.org/stream/visitationshrop01britgoog#page/n43/mode/2up pp.318.
  15. Cazenove Gardner Lee, Jr, Lee Chronicle. Studies of the Early Generations of the Lees of Virginia, Ed. Dorothy Mills Parker, (New York: New York University Press, 1957), accessed 3 December 2014, hhttps://archive.org/stream/leechroniclestud00leec#page/44/mode/2up pp.44-5.
  16. The National Archives Website: Discovery: 1514/177, Catalogue of the Shropshire deeds and papers of the Smythe Family of Acton Burnell, LORDSHIP OF LANGLEY, HOTHALES http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/39f8ac98-b3d8-454e-a30d-ea9b246572bd. 7 November 2014
  17. The Deputy Keeper of the Records, Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and other Analogous Documents preserved in the Public Record Office, Vol III Edward I, (London: His Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for the Home Department, 1912), accessed 22 September 2014, https://archive.org/stream/cu31924011387812#page/n161/mode/2up pp.116-26. Abstract No 194 Philip Burnell alias Burnel.
  18. The National Archives Website: Discovery: SC 8/52/2570, PETITIONS TO THE KING; TO THE KING AND COUNCIL; TO THE COUNCIL; TO THE PARLIAMENT; AND THE LIKE. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9062785, 6 November 2014.
  19. The National Archives Website: Discovery: SC 8/313/E63, PETITIONS TO THE KING; TO THE KING AND COUNCIL; TO THE COUNCIL; TO THE PARLIAMENT; AND THE LIKE. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9529114, 6 November 2014. The original document can be viewed online.
  20. The National Archives Website: Discovery: SC 8/195/9741B, PETITIONS TO THE KING; TO THE KING AND COUNCIL; TO THE COUNCIL; TO THE PARLIAMENT; AND THE LIKE. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9295629, 5 November 2014.
  21. The Deputy Keeper of the Records, Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and other Analogous Documents preserved in the Public Record Office, Vol V Edward II, (London: His Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for the Home Department, 1908), accessed 23 September 2014, https://archive.org/stream/cu31924011387838#page/n417/mode/2up pp.390-4. Abstract No 611 Edward Burnel alias Bernel.
  22. The National Archives Website: Discovery: 2922/10/3/1/1-2, Manor of Smethcote, MANORIAL RECORDS. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/a0d4eba8-d9a0-4d20-a4b7-fb97f19313d1, 5 November 2014.

Bibliography

Wrottesley, Major-General The Hon G, comps. Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls collected from the Pleadings in the Various Courts of Law AD 1200 to 1500 from the Original Rolls. 1905. Accessed: 29 August 2014. https://archive.org/stream/pedigreesfromple00wrotrich#page/n5/mode/2up.

Mead, Edward C, eds. Genealogical History of the Lee Family of Virginia and Maryland. New York: Richardson and Company, 1868. Accessed: 16 November 2014. https://archive.org/stream/genealogicalhist00mead#page/n11/mode/2up.

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Acknowledgements

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On December 8, 2014 at 04:05GMT Maryann Hurt wrote:

Hi

I don't think Robert's year of birth is correct. As he was lord of Byriton in 1392, he would have been in his majority then, so born prior to 1371? This would match him more closely in age with his wife Petronilla, who was 22 or older in 1400, so born before 1478.

What are your thoughts?

Maryann



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