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John Lilly III (abt. 1640 - aft. 1686)

John Lilly III
Born about in Milford Haven, York County, Virginia Colonymap
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Husband of — married 1667 in Point Comfort,York, Virginiamap
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Died after after about age 46 in York County, Virginia Colonymap
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Biography

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John Lilly III was a Virginia colonist.

John Lilly II born ca 1640 AKA Lylley, Lillie, Lily, Lyllie, Lylley[1]

Origin

John Lilly was born c. 1640 at Milford Haven, York County, Virginia.[2] He was a son of John Lilly and Mary Moulson.[2]

His birth date is a guess, based on known dates for other family members and events.

Early Life

John's father died young, leaving John an "orphan."[2] We do not know the date of death for John Lilly I, but by 1646, Mary (Moulson) Lilly had remarried. In October, 1646 the court named Edmund Chisman as father-in-law (step-father) to John Lilly orphan.[2]

John Lilly II was mentioned as the son of John Lilly in the 1646 guardianship records. His guardian was his father in law [ie stepfather] Edmund Chisman.

Beverly Fleet, York County, 1646-1648, (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 1961 pages 19-20 [Odd spelling is quoted from the book which is quoted from the original documents.] Reference page 180 of York County Court Records: At A Court holden for York 20 October 1646, Present: Mr. John Chow, Capt John Chisman, Capt Ralph Wormley, Capt William Taylor, Mr. Row Burnham. Page 180: It is ordered with the consent of Mr. Edmund Chisman father in law to John Lilley, orphant; William Barber, father-in-law to the orphants of John Dennett, Viz: Thomas Dennett, Margarett Dennett & Sarah Dennett & Daniell Ffoxe, father in law to the orphants of Clarke & Munday, that the estates belonging to the said several orphants which this day have given an account of this to this court shall hence forward with all there increase freely come and belong unto the said orphans without any charges for the future subsistence or education of the said orphants or for more care paines or charges preserving and looking to the said several orphants estates so long as they shall remain under the tuition of the above said Edmund Chisman, the Male catle only excepted which belong to John Lilley only excepted. Estate of John Lilley are as followeth: Imprs five cowes one heifer of twce yeares old two heifers of a yeare old apeece in all 8 head Whereof dead one cow and three of the yeare calves dead.

Mary Chisholm died Dec. 11, 1678 according to record in Charles Parish Register. No estate records of any kind for Mary Chisman have been found in the York County Court Records. The first mention of the first name of Edmund's wife were the court records listed below. Consequently, it is not certain that this Mary was John's widow or John's mother. This has been just assumed in all the writings I have found. Probably she was, but it is not proved.

Family

Married, in about 1667, to Dorothy Wade, daughter of Arminger Wade, proven in Arminger Wade's Will:

Will, Pocoson Parish, York County, Virginia Arminger Wade's will, proven 24 April 1677, mentions sons, John Hay, John Lilly and Arminger Wade; daughters Mary Hay, dec'd, Dorothy Lilly, and grandchild Anne Wade.[2]

The wording of Arminger Wade's Will, written January 15, 1677, gives clues to the children's birth dates. He referred to the "children of my daughter Mary Hay, dec'd, and the children of my daughter, Dorothy Lilly."[2] This implied that Dorothy had more than one child at that date. Unfortunately we do not know which ones. Mary was probably older than Elizabeth, judging by their marriage dates, 1688 and 1703 respectively.

Children, birth order not known:[2]

  1. Mary Lilly; mar c. 1688 Robert Reade
  2. Elizabeth Lilly; mar c. 1703 Robert Philipson
  3. John Lilly III, "Births: John Lilly, son of John Lilly, of Milford Haven, by D(orothy?), baptized 3 August 1669."[3]

Death and Legacy

John died after 1686 at York County, Virginia.[2] In a deed regarding payment for a horse pressed into service by the king, dated 1 April 1686, John Lilly III is referred to as "John Lilly, Junr."[2] Presumably, this designation would not have been used if his father were deceased.

Sources

  1. Mason, Mrs. G.C. Records of Colonial Gloucester County, Virginia Two volumes (Volume I, page 48) Newport News, Va.: 1948, cited at John Lilly II, accessed 3/27/14
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 2.8 Byrne, June C., John Lilly II, son of John Lilly I July 7, 2013, accessed July 3, 2015
  3. Bell, Landon C., Charles Parish, York County, Virginia History and Registers, Births 1648-1789, Deaths 1665-1787, (Richmond, Virginia: Virginia State Library Board, 1932) page 126.
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Acknowledgments

Thank you to June Clover Byrne for all the research on the Lilly family and related families.






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Lilly Surname Indexed in Cavaliers and Pioneers pg. 681
posted by Andrea (Stawski) Pack
Reference:

Jno Lilly Under Robert Abrall

Cavaliers and pioneers; abstracts of Virginia land patents and grants, 1623-1800 by Nugent, Nell Marion; Virginia State Library; Virginia Genealogical Society https://archive.org/details/cavalierspioneer00nuge/page/502

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