no image
Privacy Level: Open (White)

Elizabeth (Lilly) Philipson (aft. 1677 - bef. 1745)

Elizabeth Philipson formerly Lilly
Born after in Milford Haven, Gloucester County, Virginiamap [uncertain]
Ancestors ancestors
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died before before age 68 [location unknown]
Problems/Questions Profile manager: Brenda Pone private message [send private message]
Profile last modified | Created 19 Nov 2013
This page has been accessed 779 times.

Contents

Biography

Elizabeth Lilly

Note: Birth date of after 1677 is a guess, based on date of her marriage (ca 1703) and the will of her grandfather, which lists only two children of his daughter, Dorothy, as of 1677. Unfortunately, no names were listed. However, we know that Elizabeth's brother was baptized in 1669, and her sister, Mary, was married in 1688. Therefore, neither of them could have been born after 1677.
The Birth Date is a rough estimate. See the text for details.

Origin

Elizabeth was probably born after 1677, probably at Milford Haven, Gloucester County, Virginia. Milford Haven was the location of the original patent of her grandfather, John Lilly I.[1] This was the home place of the family. Elizabeth's parents were John Lilly II and Dorothy Wade.[1]

Family

Elizabeth married ca 1703 to Doctor Robert Philipson. After she died, he married as his 2nd to Mary Powell, widow of Thomas Powell.[1] Robert Phillipson died less than a year later in early 1745/6.[1]

Children of Elizabeth and Doctor Robert Philipson:

  1. Dorothy mar Thomas Cary
  2. Mary mar John Chisman

Death and Legacy

Elizabeth died prior to 1745.

Can you add any information on Elizabeth Lilly? Please help grow her WikiTree profile. Everything you see here is a collaborative work-in-progress.

Sources

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cullember/otherfam/john2.html


No sources. The events of Elizabeth's life were either witnessed by Allan Thomas or Allan plans to add sources here later.

Footnotes

Elizabeth Lilly Elizabeth Lilly, the second known daughter of John Lilly II, married ca. 1703. The 15 years between these dates make me think that Elizabeth was much younger than Mary. Mary Lilly received a gift of land. Elizabeth, her younger sister, who married Robert Phillipson ca. 1703, did not receive land. I checked the 1704 Quit Rent Roll which is available on Ancestry.com [paid site]. There is no Philipson, Phillipson with any spelling. There are Phillips but no Robert Philips or Phillips in the Quit Rent List. I suspect that this means that there was no land involved here. However, she obviously receved something else because she was said to have received a competant marriage portion. Eliazabeth Lilly in the following deed is said to have been the daughter of John Lilly. Unfortunately, nothing is said which proves which John Lilly is being referred to. There was only 34 years between the date of the birth of John Lilly III, in 1669 and her marriage in 1704. That is not enough time even if she married young. So she must have been the daughter of John Lilly II and Dorothy Wade. We have some questions about this record. We are not sure why it is called a deed. Elizabeth had what was called a competent marriage portion, but no description is given. It was not land because his name is not in the Quit Rents of 1704. It appears that the individuals concerned are making this "deed" to protect Elizabeth. In exchange for her marriage portion, which her husband is receiving, she is to have a jointure for her future maintainance, if she survivies Phillipson. Lawrence Smith was a Lawyer which might be why he is involved. Robert Reade is her brother in law so probably that is why he is involved. We are missing any will that John Lilly II might have made in Gloucester County, but I think he must have left one. Otherwise, she would have had no claim to any property of her father under the law of Primogeniture.

Marriage portion is that property which is given to a woman on her marriage. It becomes the absolute property of her husband. Under the law at that time, upon a marriage, the husband acquired total rights to his wife's property. He could sell it, gamble it away, give it to his relatives, etc and his wife had no recourse unless her marriage contract so specified. I imagine that is the reason for this contract. A jointure is an estate or property settled on a woman in consideration of marriage, to be owned by her after her husband's death. The marriage bond seems a little large to me. It may have been a function of the size of her property.

The transcription of the deed is courtesy of Lou Poole. “P. 101” – Brewer, Mary Marshall, York County, Virginia Land Records, 1694-1713, p. 74.

13 Aug 1703. Deed. Between Robt Phillipson of York Parish & Co phisitian on the one parte & Robert Read & Lawrence Smith of same place gent of the other parte, whereas a maryage is already concluded upon & by the Grace of God shortly hereafter to be had & solemnized between the sd Robt Phillipson & Elizabeth Lilly of York Co spinster dau of John Lilly late of Gloucester Co dec'd, now this indenture wit that the sd Robert Phillipson as well for & in concideration of the sd maryage also of a competent maryage portion had which the sd Elizabeth before the ensealing hereof & to the end & purpose that some competent estate may be had & made for & jointure of sd Elizabeth for her future maintainance & livelihood (if in case the sd intended marriage shall take effect & the sd Elizabeth shall survive & overlive the sd Robert Phillipson) hath granted & confirmed unto the sd Robert Read & Lawrence Smith the full & just sume of £100 … Wit: Arthur Tilliard, William Sedgwick, Willm Tunley. Ackn 25 Oct 1703 & comitted to record. Attest: Willm Sedgwick clerk.


The following article suggests that the John Lilly was John Lilly III. However, that is probably not right. See above. There were only 34 years between the birth of John Lilly III and the marriage of Elizabeth in 1703.


William and Mary Quarterly, Volume 14, page 124: Chisman Family in Quarterly, I., 89-98. Capt. Thomas Chisman was son of Edmund Chisman which last made his will in 1673, and was brother of Col. John Chisman of the Virginia Council. Capt. Thomas Chisman was a brother of Major Edmund Chisman, a gallant officer under Bacon, who was arrested and died in prison. The latter's wife was Lydia, niece of Capt. Farlow, another of Bacon's officers, who is described as not only a brave man, but expert in mathematics and engineering. Lydia had the spirit of her uncle, and when Major Chisman was arraigned before Sir William Berkeley, took the blame of his rebellion, upon herself, and desired to be hanged in his stead. Captain Thomas Chisman and Elizabeth Reade, his wife, had issue: Thomas, born about 1673, Mildred, born February 19, 1675, Elizabeth, John, Jane, George, Sarah, Anne. Of these Thomas Chisman married Anne and had Edmund, John, George, Thomas, Ann, Mildred and Elizabeth. Of these John [Chisman] died about 1758; married Mary, daughter of Dr. Robert Phillipson and Elizabeth Lilly his wife, daughter of John Lilly, of Gloucester Co. (marriage contract in 1703). John Lilly was son of John Lilly and Dorothy Wade (daughter of Armiger Wade, of York Co.), [sic see notes above] and was born August 3, 1669. John Chisman and Mary Phillipson had issue: Catherine, born July 31, 1729, married James Moss, and Anna, born March 15, 1730, who married Thomas Pescud; and Pescud married 2dly Elizabeth Moss, daughter of—Moss and Mary Chisman, daughter of Edmund Chisman above named, brother of John Chisman, who married Mary Phillipson.


Elizabeth Lilly married Doctor Robert Phillipson: As the following record shows, Elizabeth (Lilly) Phillipson had died prior to 1745, and Robert Phillipson married Mary Powell, widow of Thomas Powell. Robert Phillipson died less than a year later in early 1746 which was written as 1745/6 in the calendar used then:

“York County Deed Book 5, p. 149” – Brewer, Mary Marshall, York County, Virginia Land Records, 1729-1763, p. 87. “25 Jul MDCCXXXXV[1745]. Indenture Tripartite. Between Robt Philipson of Warwick Parish, Warwick Co gent of the first part, Mary Powell of York Co widow & relict of Thos Powell decd of the second part and Thos Cary of Warwick Parish & Wm Powell planter of Yorkhampton Parish of the third part … whereas an agreement made between said Robt Philipson & Mary Powell for a marriage shortly to be had & solemnized between them and whereas Mary Powell is now possessed of a personal estate consisting of Negroes, household goods, cattle, sheep, horses, hoggs & other things, it is agreed between all the parties and the said Robert Philipson to the said intended marriage the said Philip [sic] Philipson did consent & agree with the said Mary Powell, Thos Cary and William Powell that all the said personal estate which the said Mary Powell is possessed hereafter is hers in her own right during her life and a separate estate from the estate of said Robert Philipson … Wit: Seymour Powell, Frances Chisman. Ackn 18 Nov 1745.”

“York County Deed Book 5, p. 143” – Brewer, Mary Marshall, York County, Virginia Land Records, 1729-1763, p. 86. “26 Jul 1745. Deed of Gift. Robert Philipson of Warwick Co gent for natural love and affection give to my granddaus Katherine Chisman and Anna Chisman daus of John Chisman of York Co four Negroes with their increase (as follows) to Katherine Chisman one Negro wench named Nanny and two Negro children named Martha & Elizabeth and to Anna Chisman one Negro boy named Obey, now in possession of John Chisman their father … Wit: Seymour Powell, William Powell, Seymour Powell Junr., Seymour Powell min. Proved 19 Aug 1745. Attest Thos Everard clerk.”

“P. 23” – Brewer, Mary Marshall, York County, Virginia Wills, Inventories and Court Orders, 1745-1759, p. 6. “Robert Philipson of Yorkhampton Parish, York Co. 21 Jan 1745/6.[Note that this would have been what we think of as 1746.] I give my land to my two daus Mary Chisman and Dorothy Cary, that part whereof I now live on the Mary Chisman, the other to Dorothy Cary. To my granddau Catherine Chisman one Negro girl named Nanny now in the possession of her father by virtue of a deed. To my granddau Ann Chisman one Negro boy named Obed, now in possession of her father. To my grandson Robert Cary one Negro girl called Little Hannah. To my grandson Thomas Cary one Negro boy called Tomboy. To my dau Dorothy Cary one Negro girl named Kate. I lend to my wife Mary Philipson three Negroes Harry, Hannah & Nanny during her natural life, likewise a good bed & furniture, 6 cows, 2 young steers, my chair, horses Pleasant & Jo[?], chest with a lack of key, 2 dishes & six plates. The residue of my estate I give ½ to my dau Dorothy Cary and the ½ to my dau Mary Chisman during her natural life, after her decease ½ to her heirs but for want of such heirs to Dorothy Cary and her heirs. My will is that Thomas Cary continues on the plantation he now liveth upon til Christmas. I appoint Thomas Cary executor. Wit: Samuel Reade, William Powell, Seymour Powell Junr. Proved 17 Mar 1745 [/6] & ordered to be recorded. Thomas Cary the executor together with William Allen, Edward Cross & Edward Potter his securities ackn a bond. Attest: Thos Everard clerk.”

“P. 24” – Brewer, Mary Marshall, York County, Virginia Wills, Inventories and Court Orders, 1745-1759, p. 6. “In obedience to an order of court dated 17 Mar 1745/6, Wil Dudley, Thos Haynes & John Jones did meet at the dwelling house of Doctor Robert Philipson decd and after being sworn before Thos Wills gent did appraise the estate of the said Philipson: 2 yoke of oxen, 2 steers, 2 heiffers, 2 bulls, 7 cows & calves, etc. Negroes: man Peter, man Grammer, woman June, child Grace, man Dick, woman Mary, Tomboy, girl Katee, Nanny girl, boy Frank, woman Hannah. 362 pd 9 sl. Thos Cary executor. Ordered to be recorded 13 May 1746. Attest: Thos Everard clerk.”

“P. 26” – Brewer, Mary Marshall, York County, Virginia Wills, Inventories and Court Orders, 1745-1759, p. 6. “Inventory & appraisement of the estate of Robert Philipson decd. Negroes: man Harry, woman Hannah, 1 silver can, 1 silver porringer, 1 drame cup, 4 large spoons, 3 tea spoons, 1 large tea kettle, etc. 110 pd 6 sl 3 pn. Thos Cary executor. William Robinson, Samuel Reade, Edward Moss, John Tenham. Ordered to be recorded 19 May 1746. Attest: Thos Everard clerk.”

“P. 100” – Brewer, Mary Marshall, York County, Virginia Wills, Inventories and Court Orders, 1745-1759, p. 22. “The estate of Doctor Robert Philipson decd. To a legacy lent his widow, a Negro boy named Tomboy given to Thos Cary Junr, a Negro girl named Little Hannah given to Robt Cary, a Negro girl given to Dorothy Cary, paid Col. Braxton for a protested bill, Col Harwood rents of the free school of which Doctor Philipson was trustee, Samuel Wallace, Major Miles Cary, Peter Rew, James Dowsing, Col. Cary, Abram St. Leger, Mr. Parks, Wm Loyd, Thos Cary, Mr. Nelson, Mrs. Gough, estate of

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 John Lilly II accessed March 27, 2014
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cullember/otherfam/john2.html

Acknowledgments

Thank you to Allan Thomas for creating Lilly-478 on 18 Nov 13. Click the Changes tab for the details on contributions by Allan and others.






Is Elizabeth your ancestor? Please don't go away!
 star icon Login to collaborate or comment, or
 star icon contact private message the profile manager, or
 star icon ask our community of genealogists a question.
Sponsored Search by Ancestry.com

DNA Connections
It may be possible to confirm family relationships with Elizabeth by comparing test results with other carriers of her mitochondrial DNA. However, there are no known mtDNA test-takers in her direct maternal line. It is likely that these autosomal DNA test-takers will share some percentage of DNA with Elizabeth:

Have you taken a DNA test? If so, login to add it. If not, see our friends at Ancestry DNA.



Comments

Leave a message for others who see this profile.
There are no comments yet.
Login to post a comment.

L  >  Lilly  |  P  >  Philipson  >  Elizabeth (Lilly) Philipson

Categories: Estimated Birth Date