Doll (Mansell) Smith
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Octavia Luvenia (Mansell) Smith (abt. 1876 - 1935)

Octavia [uncertain] Luvenia [uncertain] (Doll) "Dollie" Smith formerly Mansell
Born about in Itawamba County, Mississippimap
Ancestors ancestors
Daughter of [uncertain] and [uncertain]
Wife of — married about 1904 in Mississippimap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 58 in Tupelo, Lee, Mississippi, USAmap
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Contents

Biography

Doll (Mansell) Smith was born in Appalachia, in Mississippi.

Origins

Tradition says that "Doll" Smith was the Octavia Luvenia "Lucy" Mansell, born about 1876, daughter of White Mancill and Martha Tackett named Octavia or Lucy. This (with the 1876 birth year) is supported by the 1880 census.[1]

But later census records (see below) report her age to calculate back to 1885/86. An earlier version of this profile claimed, without source, a specific birth date of 1 Aug 1884.[citation needed] This year aligns with later census records.

We seek confirmation that Doll Mansell Smith was the same as Octavia Luvenia Mansell. See attached G2G discussion.

Octavia Luvenia "Lucy" was not enumerated with her widowed father White Mansel in 1900.[2] Where was she?

NOTE: There was a Lou Mansell, widowed niece enumerated with White Mansell in the 1900 census.

But in 1910, Doll and Robert were enumerated several lines above A.W. Mancill in Pontotoc, Mississippi.[3]

Marriage

As "Dall Smith," she married Bob Smith 20 Sep 1903 in Lee Co., Mississippi.[4]

Census Records

1910 United States Census[3]

Name Dall Smith
Event Type Census
Event Date 1910
Event Place Beat 4, Pontotoc, Mississippi, United States
Gender Female
Age 25
Marital Status Married
Race White
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Birth Year (Estimated) 1885
Birthplace Mississippi
Father's Birthplace Alabama
Mother's Birthplace Mississippi
Household
R F Smith 32
Dall Smith 25
Lilliana Smith 4
Lavell Smith 2
Retha Smith 0

1920 United States Census[5]

Name Dollie Smith
Event Type Census
Event Date 1920
Event Place Beat 3, Lee, Mississippi, United States
Gender Female
Age 34
Marital Status Married
Race White
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Birth Year (Estimated) 1886
Birthplace Mississippi
Father's Birthplace Mississippi
Mother's Birthplace Mississippi
Household
Robert L Smith Head M 41 Mississippi
Dollie Smith Wife F 34 Mississippi
Lillian Smith Daughter F 14 Mississippi
Lavelle Smith Daughter F 12 Mississippi
Reatha Smith Daughter F 10 Mississippi
Gladis Smith Daughter F 8 Mississippi
Travis Smith Son M 5 Mississippi
Tracy Smith Son M 3 Mississippi
Cletus Smith Daughter F 0 Mississippi

1930 United States Census[6]

Name Dollie L Smith
Event Type Census
Event Date 1930
Event Place Beat 3, Lee, Mississippi, United States
Gender Female
Age 45
Marital Status Married
Race White
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Birth Year (Estimated) 1885
Birthplace Mississippi
Father's Birthplace Mississippi
Mother's Birthplace Mississippi
Household
Robert Smith Head M 52 Mississippi
Dollie L Smith Wife F 45

Research Notes

Mentioned In...

Death of Daughter Gladys Presley 14 Aug 1958 Memphis, Shelby, Tennessee.[7]

Name Gladys Presley
Titles and Terms Mrs
Event Type Death
Event Date 14 Aug 1958
Event Place Memphis, Shelby, Tennessee, United States
Gender Female
Age 46
Race White
Birth Year (Estimated) 1912
Father's Name Robert Lee Smith
Mother's Name Mansell
Spouse's Name Vernon Presley
Spouse's Gender Male

U.S. Social Security Applications and Claims for Clettes Smith Presley[8]

Name: Clettes Smith Presley
[Clettes L Presley]
[Clettes Presley]
[Clettes Smith Smith]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 14 Sep 1919
Birth Place: Rural Lee, Mississippi
[Tupelo Lee, Mississippi]
Death Date: 9 Dec 1994
Father: Robert L Smith
Mother: Dolly Mancel
SSN: 427367531
Notes: Mar 1944: Name listed as CLETTES SMITH PRESLEY; 11 Aug 1975: Name listed as CLETTES L PRESLEY; 10 Jul 1984: Name listed as CLETTES LEE PRESLEY

Death

She died 13 Apr 1935 in Tupelo, Lee, Mississippi. She is buried at the Mount Pleasant Methodist Church Cemetery in Tremont, Itawamba, Mississippi.[9]

Name Octavia Luvenia Mansell Smith
Maiden Name Mansell
Event Type Burial
Event Date 1935
Event Place Tremont, Itawamba, Mississippi, United States of America
Photograph Included Y
Birth Date May 1876
Death Date 13 Apr 1935
Affiliate Record Identifier 44026564
Cemetery Mount Pleasant Methodist Church Cemetery

Sources

  1. "United States Census, 1880," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYB2-9WHK?cc=1417683&wc=X47P-829%3A1589407292%2C1589395000%2C1589395294%2C1589395087 : 24 December 2015), Mississippi > Lee > Beat 2 > ED 87 > image 60 of 67; citing NARA microfilm publication T9, (National Archives and Records Administration, Washington, D.C., n.d.)
  2. "United States Census, 1900," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6S37-M6F?cc=1325221&wc=9BQY-C6P%3A1030553801%2C1030551502%2C1032265901 : 5 August 2014), Mississippi > Lee > ED 50 Beat 4 Plantersville & Richmond Precincts > image 10 of 45; citing NARA microfilm publication T623 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.).
  3. 3.0 3.1 "United States Census, 1910," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MPDJ-CX2 : accessed 9 December 2017), Dall Smith in household of R F Smith, Beat 4, Pontotoc, Mississippi, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) ED 101, sheet 16B, family 312, NARA microfilm publication T624 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1982), roll 756; FHL microfilm 1,374,769.
  4. Ancestry.com. Mississippi, Compiled Marriage Index, 1776-1935 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004. Ancestry Record 7842 #551857
  5. "United States Census, 1920," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M43X-LGT : accessed 22 November 2016), Dollie Smith in household of Robert L Smith, Beat 3, Lee, Mississippi, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) ED 26, sheet 3B, line 66, family 55, NARA microfilm publication T625 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1992), roll 884; FHL microfilm 1,820,884.
  6. "United States Census, 1930," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XM1J-4RJ : accessed 22 November 2016), Dollie L Smith in household of Robert Smith, Beat 3, Lee, Mississippi, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) ED 17, sheet 1A, line 19, family 7, NARA microfilm publication T626 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 2002), roll 1154; FHL microfilm 2,340,889.
  7. "Tennessee Death Records, 1914-1955", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/QKM9-B7NR : 3 April 2015), Mansell in entry for Gladys Presley, 1958.
  8. Ancestry.com. U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2015. Ancestry Record Numident #34720804
  9. "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/QVKD-NCH7 : 11 July 2016), Octavia Luvenia Mansell Smith, 1935; Burial, Tremont, Itawamba, Mississippi, United States of America, Mount Pleasant Methodist Church Cemetery; citing record ID 44026564, Find a Grave, https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/44026564/octavia-luvenia-smith

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Mansell-552 and Mansell-38 appear to represent the same person because: Trying This again. They clearly represent the same person. The target profile has better sources.
posted by Jillaine Smith
We really need to find better sources than the highly unreliable Millennium file.
posted on Mansell-552 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
This appears to be "Octavia" in the 1880 census with her family. Transcribed as "Lucy" but could be "Luvy." "United States Census, 1880," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4GV-18S : 26 August 2017), Martha Mansell in household of Whti Mansell, Beat 2, Lee, Mississippi, United States; citing enumeration district ED 87, sheet 73C, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), FHL microfilm 1,254,654.
posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
As you've noted elsewhere, there's a 10-11 year difference between the Lucy Mansell of the 1880 census and the Doll Smith of the post marriage census records. This sheds doubt on the ID of Doll's origins.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Mansell-38 and Mansell-552 do not represent the same person because: Very different dates
posted on Mansell-552 (merged) by Darvana (Dennis) Tressler
Mansell-38 and Mansell-552 appear to represent the same person because: i believe to be same person, even tho the birth/death dates are different, needs looking into to see if merge is needed.
posted on Mansell-552 (merged) by Lisa Mansell
Mancill-29 and Mansell-38 appear to represent the same person because: believe to be same person, please merge them if correct
posted by Lisa Mansell

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