Rose (Marshe) Rush
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Rose (Marshe) Rush (abt. 1539 - bef. 1601)

Rose Rush formerly Marshe aka Hurst
Born about in Barnet, Hertfordshire, Englandmap
Wife of — married 15 Jun 1560 (to 17 Dec 1569) in Barnet, Hertfordshire, Englandmap
Wife of — married 4 Feb 1572 in Henlow, Bedfordshire, Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died before before about age 62 in Henlow, Bedfordshire, Englandmap
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Rose (Marshe) Rush was born in Hertfordshire, England.

Rose was born about 1538 or 1539 (based on date of marriage and date of last child born in 1582) in Chipping Barnet, Hertfordshire (based on home of her father). Her father John Marshe was a prosperous yeoman and brewer.[1] She had at least three sisters and one brother, also named John.

Rose's father died early in 1559 leaving her a marriageable young woman.[2]

Rose married William Hurst on 15 June 1560 in Barnet.[3] Together they had five children:[4]

  1. John Hurst, baptised 1559, Henlow
  2. Henry Hurst, baptised 10 June 1561, Henlow
  3. Joan Hurst, baptised 8 May 1563, Henlow. Died in infancy
  4. Agnes (Hurst) Albone, baptised 17 August 1565, Henlow
  5. Joan (Hurst) Tilley, baptised 15 March 1567, Henlow. Joan was a passenger on the Mayflower in 1620.[5]

William died in 1569 and Rose married John Rush on 4 February 1571/72,[6] in Henlow Grey, Bedfordshire.[4] Rose had five further children with John:

  1. Elizabeth Rush, baptised 8 October 1574, Henlow
  2. Susan Rush or Susannah, baptised 1 December 1575 Henlow
  3. John Rush, baptised 6 July 1578 at Henlow
  4. Robert Rush born 1580, Henlow
  5. Nicholas Rush baptised 12 Nov 1582 at Henlow

Rose was buried 23 July 1601 at Henlow.[7]

Sources

  1. The American Genealogist Vol 85, No. 1 January 2011 page 1. A FRESH LOOK AT THE PARENTAGE OF MAYFLOWER PASSENGER JOAN (HURST) (ROGERS) TILLEY With Her Mother's Identity and Family of Origin, By Eugene Cole Zubrinsky, FASG
  2. PCC 38 Well[e]s, TNA Prob 11/42A
  3. "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLSC-1XY : 10 February 2018), Willm. Hurst and Rose Marshe, 15 Jun 1560; citing Barnet,Hertford,England, reference , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 991,347.
  4. 4.0 4.1 Ward, Robert Leigh. English Ancestry of Seven Mayflower Passengers: Tilley, Sampson and Cooper, The American Genealogist (The American Genealogist, Barrington, RI, 1976) Vol. 52, Page 204
  5. Source: http://mayflowerhistory.com/tilley-joan/, Caleb Johnson's The Mayflower Passenger List, copyright dates: 2002 - 2012
  6. Bedfordshire parish registers by Bedfordshire (England); Emmison, F. G. (Frederick George), 1907-1995,Volume 26,page A25, https://archive.org/details/bedfordshirepari26bedf/page/24/mode/2up?q=Rose
  7. Henlow Burials : 1583-1602 : Bedfordshire parish registers by Bedfordshire (England); Emmison, F. G. (Frederick George), 1907-1995,Volume 26,page A40, https://archive.org/details/bedfordshirepari26bedf/page/40/mode/2up?q=26-8




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UNKNOWN-205015 and Marshe-3 do not represent the same person because: .
posted by Patricia Roche
All done now. Rose's parents are now corrected and sourced. All her siblings have been added.
posted by Stephen Trueblood
Small typo which I have corrected
posted by Jules Harris
I plan to review the biography and the relationships for Rose Marshe on behalf of the England Managed Profiles Team. Please contact me if you have any concerns.
posted by Stephen Trueblood
You have the wrong mother of Rose, according to The American Genealogist Vol 85 (2011) pages 6 and 7

The identity of Rose's parents. The American Genealogist. New Haven, CT: D. L. Jacobus, 1937-. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2009 - .) https://www.americanancestors.org/DB283/i/55165/1/72826951

posted by Steven Losey
edited by Steven Losey
Hi Steven - TAG is behind a paywall. Could you tell us who the article says are the parents and with what sources. Or even better - start a G2G post about it, tagged ENGLAND and MAYFLOWER to get the widest possible audience.

Best wishes, Jo, England Project Managed Profiles coordinator

posted by Jo Fitz-Henry
I added a copy of book page with a link and it’s source information. I hope it does not go against copyright laws. If so, please feel free to remove.
posted by Missy Berryann
edited by Missy Berryann
Thanks Missy - does the article say where and when the will was proved? (which court?) and how do we know that the mother was named Joan?
posted by Jo Fitz-Henry
I added the beginning of the article about the parents.
posted by Missy Berryann
"Rose Marshe, b. say 1538 or later (last recorded child bp. 1582), bur. Henlow, Beds., 23 July 1601; m (1) Chipping Barnet, 15 June 1560, WILLIAM HURST; m. (2) Henlow, 4 Feb. 1671/2, JOHN RUSHE".

Rose was named in the will of her father, John Marshe. All of John's children were probably with wife Joan _____, who he married in the mid-1530's. Joan married next on 3 Nov 1561, Roger Marshe.

posted by Traci Thiessen
UNKNOWN-205015 and Marshe-32 do not represent the same person because: Marshe-32 needs to be directly merged into Marshe-3.

Edit: Marshe -32 should be merged away as she is currently married to the wrong William Hurst, Unknown-205015 should stay with Hurst-686.

Jo Fitz-Henry, England Project managed profiles coordinator

posted on Marshe-32 (merged) by Jo Fitz-Henry
edited by Jo Fitz-Henry
Marshe-32 and Marshe-3 appear to represent the same person because: same dates and husband
posted by Robin Lee
UNKNOWN-205015 and Marshe-32 appear to represent the same person because: both set as same family member
posted on Marshe-32 (merged) by Patricia Roche
Dear Profile Managers

The England Project would like to co-manage this profile with you. You are welcome to stay on as either a PM or on the Trusted List.

Would you please add

to the trusted list, and then set the England Project as a manager.

You can read more about the England Project's managed profiles here https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:England_Project_-_Project_Protected_Profiles.

Thanks

Jo Fitz-Henry England Project Managed Profiles Team coordinator

posted by Jo Fitz-Henry
Rose is Project Protected (rightly so) but has no project. Perhaps the England Project would take her on. You might condsider removing the unsourced mother also first.
posted by Anne B
Marshe-3 and Fisher-2566 do not represent the same person because: They are probably the same person but we do not yet know the proper LNAB.
posted on Fisher-2566 (merged) by Jack Day
Marshe-3 and Fisher-2566 appear to represent the same person because: They have similar dates and are both showing William Hurst (Hurst-27) as spouse. Fisher appears to be her maiden name. Based on ancestry.com her father appears to be John Rodney Fisher (1500-1556)
posted on Fisher-2566 (merged) by Joe Bowker Jr
Marsh-3693 and Marshe-3 appear to represent the same person because: Appears to have the same relationships and B/D dates. Marshe-3 notes suggest that preferred LNAB is Marshe.
Please do not change the last name at birth on this profile again until we all have agreed on that there is solid proof of the correct last name at at birth. There are technical reasons for this request. Thank you. You may add any additional information to the profile bulletin board or to the biography section of the profile.
I cleaned up this profile, and after searching various websites as well as the sources included in the biography, I can find no evidence for a maiden name of Marshe. The TAG article (vol. 52, pg. 204) lists both of her husbands and all of their children. No mention is made of a maiden name. I would recommend that the name be removed until/unless we can prove it. Comments?
She also had several children by John Rushe: Elizabeth (chr. 8 Oct 1574); Susannah (chr. 1 Dec 1575); John (chr. 6 Jul 1578); Nicholas (chr. 12 Nov. 1582). All four were christened at Henlow, Bedfordshire.
I'd like to know the source for her maiden name of "Marshe", please, as well as the year of her birth.

Thanks so much.

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