Elizabeth (Unknown) Tuttle
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Elizabeth (Unknown) Tuttle (abt. 1612 - 1684)

Elizabeth Tuttle formerly [surname unknown] aka Matthews
Born about in Englandmap
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married 1631 (to Jun 1673) in Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 72 in Milford, New Haven, Colony of Connecticut, New Englandmap
Profile last modified | Created 30 Nov 2015
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The Puritan Great Migration.
Elizabeth (Unknown) Tuttle migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640).
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NOTE: It has been determined (see attached G2G questions) that Mrs. Elizabeth Tuttle is of unknown origin at this time. Do NOT change her last name without ample proof of her correct name and without discussing this change with project members and managers.

Note: AKA Matthews. No evidence has been provided that she was a Matthews. It is now in the AKA to allow for searches on this false name and to prevent further creation of Matthews profiles.

Disputed Origins

Her parentage is unknown.[1].

Another attempt to discover the ancestry of the wife of Willian Tuttle concluded in this article sited:"Waterman and Jacobus (Hale, House, pp 773-774) and Prindle (in his Gillespie work pp 485-6) presented evidence that William Tuttle's wife Elizabeth was closely related to Robert Hill of New Haven or to his unidentified first wife, and that William (or Elizabeth) was uncle (or aunt) of Azubah Lamson, daughter of Thomas Lamson of New Haven." Attempts to follow these clues in Ringstead and other co. Northampton records have thus far been fruitless."[2]

Maggie N writes: Please take a look at this web site & Jacobus's treatise in Ancient New Haven families that states that her parentage is unknown. From Find A Grave: "This memorial was created by the late Earl R. Loose and transferred for management to the current memorialist, Elizabeth's descendant. Mr. Loose claimed, from an unstated source that cannot be found by the present writer that Elizabeth was the dau. of Edward Mathews and Elizabeth Nashe, bapt. June 2, 1612 at county Devon, England. The benchmark genealogy of the William Tuttle family published in 1883 includes no statement as to Elizabeth's origins."

Can someone please cite on her profile evidence for maiden name , Southcott? Her husband's Grandmother was Elizabeth Southcut so perhaps the confusion ? Please take a look at : http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=8395040 & Jacobuses treatise in Ancient New Haven families that states that her parentage is unknown. (Maggie N.)

Biography

Elizabeth immigrated with her husband, William Tuttle from England. She may have been born about 1609, calculated from her gravestone, or 1612 calculated from her age at immigration.

Elizabeth was age 23, when she, her husband and three children, came to New England on the "Planter" in 1635.[3] So Elizabeth was born about 1612 in an unknown location, probably in England.

They first settled in Charlestown,[4] and then Boston, where Elizabeth joined the church on July 24, 1636.[5] They removed to New Haven in 1639, where "Mr." William Tuttle signed the New Haven Fundamental Agreement.[6]

William Tuttle and Elizabeth had fairly prestigious seats in the New Haven Meeting house.[7]
March 1646/7

In the crosse seates at the end 1st row, Mr. Pell, Mr. Tuttle and Bro. Fowler
Women’s seats ‘In the middle’ row 5 sister Tuttle and others.

Feb 1655/56

The cross seats at upper end – seat 1 Mr. Tuttill & also Mr. Jno. Davenport, William Fowler and Mr. Allerton Sr.
Mrs Tuttle is in the fourth middle seat on the women’s side

Feb 1661/2

Mr. Tuttle is in the long seats in the middle third row.
Sister Tuttle also sits in the third row.

Elizabeth Tuttle died December 30 1684, aged 76 years. She had been living with her youngest son, Nathaniel, who, at a court held in New Haven, July 28 1685, presented her will, but the other children objected and the court would not allow it. The inventory, taken February 3, 1684/5 by Moses Mansfield and John Alling.[8] Her tombstone was removed with the others in 1821 from the Old Green in the Grove street cemetery of New Haven, and it now stands in the row along the north wall of that enclosure. A part of the inscription is still plain: a part is obscure by the crumbling of the stone, and a part is entirely gone.

Per the New Haven, Conn. Vital Records, "Elizabeth Tuttle widdow dyed ye 30th day of Decembr 1684." Her gravestone marker uses the pre-1752 numerical date of "31:10:1684", meaning she d. the "31st day of the 10th month (Dec.) 1684." The 3oth day is used in this memorial as the date of her death.


SOURCES

  1. Robert Charles Anderson's Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume VII, T-Y, pp 138-145 (esp 142) calls her "Elizabeth ______"
  2. "William Tuttle of New Haven," in The American Genealogist, vol 59 (1983):214
  3. Hotten, John Camden. The Original Lists of Persons of Quality: Emigrants, Religious Exiles, Political Rebels, Serving Men Sold for a Term of Years, Apprentices, Children Stolen, Maidens Pressed, and Others, who Went from Great Britain to the American Plantations, 1600-1700. New York: Empire State Book Company, 1874.
  4. Anderson, Robert Charles. Great Migration 1634-1635, T-Y. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2012.) Originally published as: The Great Migration, Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume VII, T-Y. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2011. p. 139 citing Charlestown Town Records pp 17, 25
  5. “Boston Church Records” The Records of the Churches of Boston. CD_ROM. Boston, Mass.: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2002. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2008 .)1636 p. 11 Amer.Anc 1639 p 15 AmericanAncestors
  6. Source: #Hoadley1 NHCR 1:17
  7.  :History of the Colony of New Haven to Its Absorption Into Connecticut By Edward Elias Atwater, Lucy M. Hewitt, Bessie E. Beach. Meriden, Connecticut: 1902. For a seating chart see New Haven Colony
  8. “New Haven Probate Records, Vol. 1-2, 1647-1703”, database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L92K-G9N2-8 : 7 March 2021), New Haven, Connecticut, FHL microfilm 007626739, image 124. New Haven Probate Record, 1647-1687, Vol. 1, Part 1, page 209.




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I'm finding two different maiden names for her.

Her maiden name is shown as "Southcutt" in 1961-1980 Register, The Order of The Founders and Patriots of America, page, 410 & 443.

Her maiden name is shown as "Waterman" in Lineages of the Members of the National Society of the Sons and Daughters of the Pilgrims, Volume II, 1929-1952, page, 85.

posted by Roy Pope Jr.
Thank you, but both of those possible surnames have been batted around but cannot be proved.
posted by Anne B
Roy, thanks for your interest in this profile. As Anne indicated and as you can see from the "Disputed Origins" and linked G2G forum questions on this profile, her origins have been researched extensively and no legitimate primary source has been found. Both those publications are considered "vanity publications" that do not adequately vet their user contributions and did not (and in the case of "Founders & Patriots, still do not today) make the original text or sources of those user contributions available to determine whether they are based on any verifiable facts.

So for the PGM project at least, these are not considered reliable sources. Best of luck with your ongoing research and you can see the PGM list of reliable sources here https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Puritan_Great_Migration_Project_Reliable_Sources There are, of course, additional reliable sources but this is a pretty good starting point.

posted by Brad Stauf
Ancestry gives me lots of hints regarding "Elizabeth Matthews," but also this one:

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Birth, Marriage & Death Name Elizabeth Bennett Tuttle Review


I'm not a paying member, so it could well be someone much more recent.

posted by Scott Hutchins
Yes. There is no known evidence that she was a Southcott. Her parentage is unknown. Yates Publishing, U.S. and International Marriage Records, are not considered a reliable source. They are merely a conglomeration of every thing (fact and fiction) that was ever written down on a genealogy. They frequently contradict themselves giving one person three or four fictional wives.
posted by Anne B
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7836&h=1246287&ssrc=pt&tid=27819397&pid=12408535801&usePUB=true

This is a record that shows William Tuttle married to Elizabeth Southcott. Has this been deemed a dead end?

Matthews was supposedly her maiden name not her married name. She did not remarry. I have also seen tombstones (more modern) with the 1st husbands name but in this case the vital records call her Elizabeth Tuttle, widdow. There is no reason to even think she might have remarried.
posted by Anne B
Is it possible that she remarried a "Mathews" after William Tuttle died? My grandmother's stone goes by her 1st marriage name because he was the love of her life, and he is the father of her children. Could this be the case here too?
Actually, it doesn't make a lot of difference to me. I'm inclined to leave the unknown/estimated/disputed births blank. That way someone who thinks she was born 1612, doesn't see 1609 and decide this person isn't her ancestor and create a duplicate.
posted by Anne B
Ah. but she was 23 in 1635. = about 1612. I've tweaked the paragraph about her birth to be more clear.
posted by Anne B
Lets change the birth year to 1609.

According to Don Blauvelt, "Most noticeable is Elizabeth's supposed age at death on her gravestone: "Age" 76. In the era in which Elizabeth died, age at death on gravestones consistently stated a person's age using one of the variations of the Latin term "Ætatis suæ," which in Elizabeth's cryptic inscription means she died Ætatis 76 and 75 years old. If this is true, she was born in the year 1609. " https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=8395040 I think that the 1612 birth/baptismal date is for Elizabeth "Marshall"

She was widowed on Jun 1673, so this was entered as marriage ended on this date.
Please see the question in G2G regarding Elizabeth Matthews.
posted by Anne B

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