John Maunsell (abt. 1395 - abt. 1435)

Born about 1395 in Glamorgan, Wales

Ancestors

Descendants

Died about 1435 at about age 40 in England

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Biography

John Maunsell

John Maunsell, son of Sir Richard Maunsell and Elizabeth Turberville,^[1] was born about 1395 in Oxwich Castle, Gŵyr, Morgannwg, Cymru^[2] and died before his father. Among the estates that succeeded to John's son Philip in 1435 was Oxwich Castle.

John died before 1435 (Celtic Genealogy), possibly in 1428 (Bartrum). He predeceased his father Richard, whose lands John's son Philip succeeded to in 1435.^[3][4][2]

John is believed to have had two sons:

• Philip Mansel (born c1420), married Mabli ferch Gruffydd^[5]
• William Mansel, or Maunsell, married Jane ferch Thomas ap Tengwyn.^[6][7]

John married

• Sibyl ferch Gwilym ap Llewelyn ap Hywel Fychan^[4][2][8]
• Maud, daughter of William ap Howell^[6] (see discussion below)

Disputed Family

Philip's mother is a matter of some debate.

Burke's Peerage^[9] and a family history^[10] show - mistakenly - that John married Cecily, daughter and heir of Sir William Cantelupe, of Cantelupestown [Candleston] Castle, Gower, by the daughter and heir of Sir Roger Umfraville, Knt., Lord of Penmarsh, by Isabel, widow of Howel ap Vychon Howel, and dau. of Wm Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick, deriving from the royal house of Plantagenet.^[11]

Sybil, shown as John's wife by #Bartrum, is the daughter of William (Gwilym) of Peutun, son of Llywelyn ap Hywel Fychan, who "bought the three Peutuns from William Peyton".^[12] Maud is shown by #Elias as the daughter of William ap Howell.^[6] And it is intriguing that the #History_of_Maunsell_or_Mansel shows Cecily Cantelupe's mother as "the dau. and heir of Sir Roger Umfraville, Knt., Lord of Penmarsh, by Isabel, widow of Howel ap Vychon Howel, and dau. of Wnx [Wm.] Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick, deriving from the royal house of Plantagenet." This statement has largely been disproven,^[13] but it is of interest because of the Hywel/Howell/Howel Vychon/Fychon connection.

John died when Philip was only 15 (or earlier). If Philip's mother (Sybil/Cecily) had died while Philip was younger still, John would have needed to remarry and it was not unusual for a second wife to be a relative of the first.

Ap Hywel Fychans

links are external, to the relevant #Bartrum chart

Sibyl ferch Gwilym of Peutun (Bleddyn ap Maenyrch 18)

Gwilym ap Llywelyn ap Hywel Fychan ibid married (1) Cecily f. Hywel Fychan Bleddyn ap Maenyrch 7, (2) Cecily f. Rich. Fawr Bleddyn ap Maenyrch 11 (Rich. Fawr ap Dafydd - Dafydd's wife: daughter of Hwyel)

Cecily ferch Hywel Fychan ap Hywel ap Dafydd Bleddyn ap Maenyrch 7

Cecily ferch Hywel Fychan ap Hywel of Ffrwdgrech by his 2nd wife, a daughter of Trahaearn Ddu (see links to Celtic Genealogy entries in this tree or her entry).

other ap Howels/Howells in profiles currently or previously attached:

• Howell, grandfather of John's (second?) wife Maud: William ap Howell^[6]
• "Howel ap Vychon Howel" (from Cecily Cantelupe's lineage: he is said (by a family history) to have left Isabel Beauchamp a widow prior to her marriage to Sir Roger Umfraville. (See William Cantelupe's profile for details, as these people have not been found in records.)

Research Notes

Location - Celtic Royal Genealogy (the Turner-Thomas site) gives the location of Oxwich Castle as "Gŵyr, Morgannwg, Cymru"^[2] while most other references show Glamorgan or Glamaorganshire, Wales. If the 1400s Oxwich Castle was in the same location as the modern Oxwich Castle - described by one site as "not really 'castle' but a Tudor manor, a product of the peaceful 16th century" (begun in the 1520s by Sir Rice Mansell) - then it overlooked Oxwich Bay on the Gower Peninsula in Swansea, which Wikipedia puts in the historic county of Glamorganshire. The following links are of interest (and have some great pictures).

• Oxwich Castle, Wales^[14]
• Oxwich Castle, Swansea, Wales^[15]
• Oxwich Castle, Gower Peninsula (Penrhyn Gŵyr), Wales^[16]
• Oxwich Castle, Colins Wales Tourism Guide

Sources

1. ↑ Source: #Bartrum
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3} Celtic Royal Genealogy database entries in Rootsweb:
   • John Mansel (accessed May 6, 2017)
   • Philip Mansel (accessed May 4, 2017)
   • Mansel tree
3. ↑ ThePeerage
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1} Bleddyn ap Maenyrch 18, Mansel 1 (#Bartrum)
5. ↑ See Philip's profile for details and sources.
6. ↑ ^{6.0 6.1 6.2 6.3} Elias Ashmole, The Antiquities of Berkshire. With a Large Appendix of Many Valuable Original Papers, Pedigrees of the Most Considerable Families in the Said County, and a Particular Account of the Castle, College, and Town of Windsor. In Three Volumes (1723), see pages 303-304
7. ↑ "William of Mansellfield, Gower" who married Jane is shown as son of Richard, brother of John (not his son) in #History_of_Maunsell_or_Mansel.
8. ↑ Burke's Peerage and a family history show John's wife, mother of Philip as Cecily Cantelupe (her profile was disconnected for lack of support - see notes and comments on her profile).
9. ↑ Burke's genealogical and heraldic history of the peerage, baronetage, and knightage, Privy Council, and order of preference (1938), page 1326.
10. ↑ History of Maunsell or Mansel, and of Crayford, Gabbett, Knoyle, Persse, Toler, Waller, Castletown; Waller, Prior Park; Warren, White, Winthrop, and Mansell of Guernsey, by Robert George Maunsell (1903), page 18
11. ↑ See discussion and additional information on the profile pages for William Cantelupe and his daughter Cecicy Cantelupe, whose profile was detached as the wife of John, mother of Philip.
12. ↑ Bleddyn ap Maenyrch 18, #Bartrum
13. ↑ For example, David has found no evidence that Isabel had married prior to Roger Umfreville. See his notes on William Cantelupe's profile.
14. ↑ Oxwich, Castles of Wales
15. ↑ Oxwich Castle, Cadw (the Welsh Government’s historic environment service)
16. ↑ Wikipedia:
    • Oxwich Castle
    • Gower Peninsula

• The Bartrum Project, digitization of "Welsh Genealogies AD 300- 1500" by Peter C. Bartrum (mirrored from the defunct Cadair site by Geni: Bartrum Genealogical Project - free login required to access the charts). See additional information about Cadair in G2G. (The link to Mansel 1 goes to Geni; the Turberville 2 chart is within WikiTree.)
  • Mansel 1
  • Turberville 2
• The Peerage (website, compiled by Darryl Lundy, Ngaio, Wellington, New Zealand; accessed May 4, 2017)
  • Philip Mansel (1420-1471), citing Mosley, Charles, editor. Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes. Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003.
  • John Maunsell

Also see:

• Dictionary of Welsh Biography: MANSEL family, of Oxwich, Penrice, and Margam abbey, Glam.
• History of the Family of Maunsell (Mansell, Mansel), by Charles Albert Maunsell (1917)
• Maunsell family research notes
• Some Descendants of William DE BEAUCHAMP (1105 - 1170)
• Philip Mansel, "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR; accessed May 1, 2017), citing he Wallop Family and Their Ancestry, by Vernon James Watney; Family Group Sheets, Family History Archives, SLC; RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project.
• A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland Enjoying Territorial Possessions Or High Official Rank: But Uninvested with Heritable Honours, Volume 1, John Burke, Colburn, 1836 - Great Britain (Google book)
• Calendar of State Papers, Domestic Series, of the Reign of Charles I, Preserved in the State Paper Department of Her Majesty's Public Record Office, John Bruce, William Douglas Hamilton, Mrs. Sophia Crawford Lomas Longman, Brown, Green, Longmans, & Roberts, 1869
• The Baronetage of England: Or The History of the English Baronets, and Such Baronets of Scotland, as are of English Families; with Genealogical Tables, and Engravings of Their Coats of Arms, Volume 5, William Betham, Burrell and Bransby, 1805